Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sad Day - Property Tax

Charlie - Shhhhhh don't tell anyone but my 40' x 14' slip at the Cambridge City Marina is $1950 per year and my dock is 2 years old! It was $1200 annually before they expanded the marina. Paul In a message dated 1/31/2011 12:48:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: As has been pointed out, the governments get their money in different ways, but they do get their money. Maryland has some balancing items in both the government and the location. - I pay $12 a year in boat registration - Mooring fees for the Annapolis area (when the governments are able to control) are about 1/3 of what you describe - There are places in creeks off the near-by Chesapeake where one can moor for nothing - There are many Ma and Pa marinas/docks on the creeks where one could keep a 31 foot boat (in a real slip) for $2K-$2.5K a year - Even in the bigger, "fancier" marinas (still very small by West Coast standards) fees are probably 1/2 of what the West Coast wants - it has a lot to do with how the shorelines differ Every place involves a combination of factors in the finances involved. Cheers Charlie From: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of sculler2000 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:21 AM To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sad Day - Property Tax Don't let my Fellow WA resident alarm you. WA is a very affordable place to keep a sailboat compared to other states. No income tax, high sales tax (8-10% depending on county), no property tax on your boat. I pay $90ish / year to register my Cal 31 with the state and I pay DNR fees through my moorage which all-together is about $350 / month inc. all taxes and fees. We have a high gas tax, that is about it relative to other states and us Sailboat guys do not use much of the stuff. I agree that the state is always looking for more taxes, but I think that is universal these days and not specific to our Govorner (and no, I am not a fan by the way) If you want to say something is high or low, my response will aways be "compared to what?" We are "boating tax affordable" compared to Maryland and many other states. Chris Cal-31 Poulsbo, WA --- In _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) , bhess246@... wrote: > > Don't let Governor Gregoire get wind of this thread, she be taxing us all in no time. It's amazing what differences there are in tax laws between different states in the Union; makes one want to throw tea into Boston Harbor all over again (in my case-Hood Canal). > > I never much cared for MD when I lived there years ago. Lately, WA hasn't been much better. > Sent from my BlackBerry(r) by Boost Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> > Sender: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:37:25 > To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) <_C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) > > Reply-To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Sad Day - Property Tax > > Hi, Chris. Around here the property tax is by state. Virginia has a personal property tax (including boats), and Maryland does not. I think it balances out depending on what the income tax rate is. In MD, there is a 5 percent state income tax with a county rider that adds 3 percent. Not to mention the 6 percent state sales tax. Oh, also, one pays a 5 or 6 percent tax when one brings the boat into the state. Some people mistakenly think this is a sales tax when one buys a boat, but it is not. One must also pay this tax if one ones brings a boat into the state. It is an excise tax. The state decides how much the boat is worth. For older boats, the number is obscenely higher than what one could actually sell the boat for. Sigh... > > I have a well-to-do friend who would take his 63 foot cabin cruiser to FL every Fall and bring it back in the Spring. Was a nice trip that I took a number of times. Ports of call like St Augustine (home of the Sailors Exchange), Amelia Island, Charleston, Oriental and Coinjock NC, Norfolk VA, and the like. Keeping the boat in FL for 6 months a year saved him about $100K in the MD state excise tax. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) ] On > Behalf Of chris123 > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:57 AM > To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Sad Day - Firesale for My Cal 28 - A Mere > $2,850 > > I had no idea. And I thought my taxes were outrages... > > _http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f128/property-tax-on-my-new-boat-1_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f128/property-tax-on-my-new-boat-1) > 6600.html > > /ch > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

OK, Paul. I'll keep it quiet... Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sad Day - Property Tax Charlie - Shhhhhh don't tell anyone but my 40' x 14' slip at the Cambridge City Marina is $1950 per year and my dock is 2 years old! It was $1200 annually before they expanded the marina. Paul In a message dated 1/31/2011 12:48:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: As has been pointed out, the governments get their money in different ways, but they do get their money. Maryland has some balancing items in both the government and the location. - I pay $12 a year in boat registration - Mooring fees for the Annapolis area (when the governments are able to control) are about 1/3 of what you describe - There are places in creeks off the near-by Chesapeake where one can moor for nothing - There are many Ma and Pa marinas/docks on the creeks where one could keep a 31 foot boat (in a real slip) for $2K-$2.5K a year - Even in the bigger, "fancier" marinas (still very small by West Coast standards) fees are probably 1/2 of what the West Coast wants - it has a lot to do with how the shorelines differ Every place involves a combination of factors in the finances involved. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of sculler2000 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:21 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sad Day - Property Tax Don't let my Fellow WA resident alarm you. WA is a very affordable place to keep a sailboat compared to other states. No income tax, high sales tax (8-10% depending on county), no property tax on your boat. I pay $90ish / year to register my Cal 31 with the state and I pay DNR fees through my moorage which all-together is about $350 / month inc. all taxes and fees. We have a high gas tax, that is about it relative to other states and us Sailboat guys do not use much of the stuff. I agree that the state is always looking for more taxes, but I think that is universal these days and not specific to our Govorner (and no, I am not a fan by the way) If you want to say something is high or low, my response will aways be "compared to what?" We are "boating tax affordable" compared to Maryland and many other states. Chris Cal-31 Poulsbo, WA --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, bhess246@... wrote: > > Don't let Governor Gregoire get wind of this thread, she be taxing us all in no time. It's amazing what differences there are in tax laws between different states in the Union; makes one want to throw tea into Boston Harbor all over again (in my case-Hood Canal). > > I never much cared for MD when I lived there years ago. Lately, WA hasn't been much better. > Sent from my BlackBerry(r) by Boost Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> > Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:37:25 > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Sad Day - Property Tax > > Hi, Chris. Around here the property tax is by state. Virginia has a personal property tax (including boats), and Maryland does not. I think it balances out depending on what the income tax rate is. In MD, there is a 5 percent state income tax with a county rider that adds 3 percent. Not to mention the 6 percent state sales tax. Oh, also, one pays a 5 or 6 percent tax when one brings the boat into the state. Some people mistakenly think this is a sales tax when one buys a boat, but it is not. One must also pay this tax if one ones brings a boat into the state. It is an excise tax. The state decides how much the boat is worth. For older boats, the number is obscenely higher than what one could actually sell the boat for. Sigh... > > I have a well-to-do friend who would take his 63 foot cabin cruiser to FL every Fall and bring it back in the Spring. Was a nice trip that I took a number of times. Ports of call like St Augustine (home of the Sailors Exchange), Amelia Island, Charleston, Oriental and Coinjock NC, Norfolk VA, and the like. Keeping the boat in FL for 6 months a year saved him about $100K in the MD state excise tax. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of chris123 > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:57 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Sad Day - Firesale for My Cal 28 - A Mere > $2,850 > > I had no idea. And I thought my taxes were outrages... > > http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f128/property-tax-on-my-new-boat-1 > 6600.html > > /ch > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Not bad at all...:) http://www.ci.cambridge.md.us/index.php/extensions/dept-public-works/municipal-yacht-basin/ /ch

Didn't hear a thing -- unless we have to move back to New Jersey -- in which case we shall probably become boating neighbors! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 10:01:13 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sad Day - Property Tax OK, Paul. I'll keep it quiet... Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sad Day - Property Tax Charlie - Shhhhhh don't tell anyone but my 40' x 14' slip at the Cambridge City Marina is $1950 per year and my dock is 2 years old! It was $1200 annually before they expanded the marina. Paul