wisker pole tricks`

Read this article on line and thought it was worth forwarding. I don't have a pole but if I did, it a real pain where they are located on the 29. This is a darn good idea, that may be worth considering. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/runrig/polechock/polechock.htm The fibre glass back plates are also interesting and I used to get them from these guys while in Ottawa, as they were vacuum package reject sheets. Supper strong and rust resistant. http://www.fastcomposites.ca/home.php This is a really cool shop. Ex Nortel Employee who got laid off, took his bailout package and converted his sailing hobby into a gold mine. He's extremely talented...like stories like this..:) -- /ch

It is interesting that for the sake of mounting the pole on the mast, everyone runs them upside down as the guy who wrote the article jokes about. If you have a furling jib and only deal with the pole when the jib is furled, I guess jaw down is fine and maybe even preferred. However, if you every want to remove the pole with the jib out, like perhaps you are racing, then if you don't have the jaw up, it isn't going to happen. With jaw down, you need to raise the pole to release the sheet but the sheet just goes up with the pole. With jaw up, you drop the pole to release the sheet and the sail will hold the sheet up and you can get the pole off. We race with a whisker pole and have tried every way of rigging them. We have bent two of them so know what can go wrong and have modified our method to prevent repeat bendings. If enough people care, I can write it up. Allen On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:39 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Read this article on line and thought it was worth forwarding. I don't > have a pole but if I did, it a real pain where they are located on the > 29. This is a darn good idea, that may be worth considering. > > http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/runrig/polechock/polechock.htm > > The fibre glass back plates are also interesting and I used to get > them from these guys while in Ottawa, as they were vacuum package > reject sheets. Supper strong and rust resistant. > > http://www.fastcomposites.ca/home.php > > This is a really cool shop. Ex Nortel Employee who got laid off, took > his bailout package and converted his sailing hobby into a gold mine. > He's extremely talented...like stories like this..:) > > -- > /ch > >

Why are they a pain? I race non-spinnaker and use my whisker pole all the time. I shorten it for reaching and extend it for running downwind. I have a track on the mast and adjust the pole depending on wind conditions. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: CAL <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 5:39:42 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` Read this article on line and thought it was worth forwarding. I don't have a pole but if I did, it a real pain where they are located on the 29. This is a darn good idea, that may be worth considering. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/runrig/polechock/polechock.htm The fibre glass back plates are also interesting and I used to get them from these guys while in Ottawa, as they were vacuum package reject sheets. Supper strong and rust resistant. http://www.fastcomposites.ca/home.php This is a really cool shop. Ex Nortel Employee who got laid off, took his bailout package and converted his sailing hobby into a gold mine. He's extremely talented...like stories like this..:) -- /ch

Randy, I use my whiskey pole lots too (no, I've never thought of calling it that before!). I use it for broad reaching to get the tack out, to encourage the inboard tell tales to fly or at least wake up, getting a much more efficient airfoil in combo with the main. Why this was illegal before '97 is beyond me. (One racer told me it was illegal, so I looked it up in the PHRF rule book and found it was legal from '97 on). I also adjust the genny to try to get aerodynamic lift out of it when going down wind. For this reason I have two pairs of tell tails 1' to 1.5' inboard of the leech, to duplicate what the luff tell tales do in the normal configuration (leech becomes the luff in this situation). Aerodynamic lift doubles the power of the Genny. The only question is whether you can gain advantage going faster zig zagging down wind with its added distance vs. going dead down wind. And it is tricky to get the setting and the length of the Genny just right for optimal lift/power. But it gives your crew an important job to do. Of course, with a J of only 8.5', it's easier to do on my Cal 24 Mk-1 than most other boats. One thing I don't understand is why my cruiser racer PRO's won't let me use two whisker poles, since it is legal in the cruiser class in the PHRF rule book, even if it isn't in for the regular PHRF racers. Wonder why it isn't? You can sheet the second Genny to the main boom, but the one time I tried it it didn't work so well for me; something I'll have to mess with one of these days to figure out how it could be done successfully. Jerry Cal 24 #71 --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 5:54 PM Why are they a pain? I race non-spinnaker and use my whisker pole all the time. I shorten it for reaching and extend it for running downwind. I have a track on the mast and adjust the pole depending on wind conditions. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: CAL <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 5:39:42 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` Read this article on line and thought it was worth forwarding. I don't have a pole but if I did, it a real pain where they are located on the 29. This is a darn good idea, that may be worth considering. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/runrig/polechock/polechock.htm The fibre glass back plates are also interesting and I used to get them from these guys while in Ottawa, as they were vacuum package reject sheets. Supper strong and rust resistant. http://www.fastcomposites.ca/home.php This is a really cool shop. Ex Nortel Employee who got laid off, took his bailout package and converted his sailing hobby into a gold mine. He's extremely talented...like stories like this..:) -- /ch

The 29 has such limited deck space, front and sides. The vertical position free's up that area to add a board and three extra tanks of fuel for example. The one thing I really dont like about the 29 is limited forward movement that makes you crawl up on the coach deck, Not much fun in heavy weather or storm setting. Next boat forward movement will be a priority. /ch

ahhhh, the forward lower shrouds. OK, I see your point, they ARE a pain. However, if you are not racing, you can still carry the head sail wing to wing and on a reach you can move the car forward. It will not be the fastest most efficient sail trim. From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 6:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` The 29 has such limited deck space, front and sides. The vertical position free's up that area to add a board and three extra tanks of fuel for example. The one thing I really dont like about the 29 is limited forward movement that makes you crawl up on the coach deck, Not much fun in heavy weather or storm setting. Next boat forward movement will be a priority. /ch

Chris, That gets me to thinking. How about setting a line hanging down from the mast, that you can attach to a harness, like a trapeze? That way if you lose your balance the trap will keep you from flying off like a seagull with one wing (my crew did that once, but in a dead calm while trying to entertain and impress a young gal we had on board). Ok, you could run jack lines on the deck you could attach the harness to, but that's been done already, and you might fall down and hurt yourself anyway. Of course, the trapeze been done already too, but usually just on dinghies and cats. At least the 29, and my 24 has trunk cabin hand rails to hang onto. What do you do if you've got a Cal 25 or a Cal 28? Go forward on your hands and knees, or just do a tightrope act, or make believe you're riding on a New York Subway, or, surfing? OK, I know it is illegal to extend your body/butt outside the safety lines while sailing a keel boat up wind, but the idea of using a trapeze on my Cal 24 sounds like a whole lot of fun. Wooowhee! Yessss! Jerry --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 7:51 PM ahhhh, the forward lower shrouds. OK, I see your point, they ARE a pain. However, if you are not racing, you can still carry the head sail wing to wing and on a reach you can move the car forward. It will not be the fastest most efficient sail trim. From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 6:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` The 29 has such limited deck space, front and sides. The vertical position free's up that area to add a board and three extra tanks of fuel for example. The one thing I really dont like about the 29 is limited forward movement that makes you crawl up on the coach deck, Not much fun in heavy weather or storm setting. Next boat forward movement will be a priority. /ch

Randy, Na dont race the boat. She is being setup as a cruising vessel, so deck space is important as is the ability to move forward at will or as needed. This is not the 29's strongest point. Look at the station placement. As some point will have to add another one as the gaps are too large to easily place a 2/x6 to hold spare fuel or other containers. /ch

Na no fun as when you make it long enough to catch you in the cockpit it wont work on the deck. That's why they are used on small boats. The system I use is simple. I attach a line to the forward cleat that is a boat lenght plus six feet or more. To this I attach my tether when I'm driving alone. The line is strung outside the shrouds. So the plan is if I get tossed its a nice gentle fall in the water being free of the boat and all obstructions and getting dragged about 10 feet behind the stern. The boarding ladder is at the stern. This gives me sufficient time to recover and recoup and climb back on board as the boarding ladder is on a slip knot. One pull and she comes down. The last thing you want to do when you are by your self is attach to the jack lines as you will be dangling over the safety lines and may or may not make it into the water. Try getting out of that mess, dog or no dog...:) Ive learned from others that it far safer to be thrown far and clear of the boat and then recover from the stern. Jack lines are permanently setup on BB on P&S and use those intermittently. One concept Ive tested is used the reverse side jack line as a balance point when going forward but its slow as everything gets tangled. No so with the long line. I have a 20" mountain climbing loop with a carabeener on it with the free end of the loop attached to my harness. When I get to to the mast I clip on to the loop on the mast that is used for the whisker pole and then lean back. That gives me enough distance to balance and work most items at the mast by leaning back. Real fun in a pitching boat..:) YMMV. /ch

Funny you should propose a trapeze. 2 years ago Richard vonEhrenkrook put a trapeze wire on his Cal 20 Cano'whoopas. He was rerated and still cleaned up. A good sailor he and Paul Sucheck who rode the wire won their yra division. Now back to sailing without the wire they still do well! My Best, Mike From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 8:14:24 PM Subject: Trapeeze, was Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks`(Chris) Chris, That gets me to thinking. How about setting a line hanging down from the mast, that you can attach to a harness, like a trapeze? That way if you lose your balance the trap will keep you from flying off like a seagull with one wing (my crew did that once, but in a dead calm while trying to entertain and impress a young gal we had on board). Ok, you could run jack lines on the deck you could attach the harness to, but that's been done already, and you might fall down and hurt yourself anyway. Of course, the trapeze been done already too, but usually just on dinghies and cats. At least the 29, and my 24 has trunk cabin hand rails to hang onto. What do you do if you've got a Cal 25 or a Cal 28? Go forward on your hands and knees, or just do a tightrope act, or make believe you're riding on a New York Subway, or, surfing? OK, I know it is illegal to extend your body/butt outside the safety lines while sailing a keel boat up wind, but the idea of using a trapeze on my Cal 24 sounds like a whole lot of fun. Wooowhee! Yessss! Jerry --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 7:51 PM > > > >ahhhh, the forward lower shrouds. OK, I see your point, they ARE a pain. >However, if you are not racing, you can still carry the head sail wing to wing >and on a reach you can move the car forward. It will not be the fastest most >efficient sail trim. > > > > From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 6:50:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` > > >The 29 has such limited deck space, front and sides. The vertical position >free's up that area to add a board and three extra tanks of fuel for example. >The one thing I really dont like about the 29 is limited forward movement that >makes you crawl up on the coach deck, Not much fun in heavy weather or storm >setting. Next boat forward movement will be a priority. > > > >/ch > > > > >

I would suggest using webbing http://www.rei.com/product/752375 for the line that goes to the forward cleat so that you won't go over because you stepped on your safety line. You present an interesting concept. I tie my webbing to the bow and to the aft end of the cockpit the idea being I would never leave the boat and could grab the lifeline or rigging to get back on deck. If I am in the cockpit, I don't tie on as I consider the cockpit a safe enough place. If your line is outside the shrouds, does that mean you need to always walk forward outside the shrouds? Hard on my boat as the shrouds are at the rail. :-) Allen On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 2:22 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Na no fun as when you make it long enough to catch you in the cockpit it > wont work on the deck. That's why they are used on small boats. > > The system I use is simple. I attach a line to the forward cleat that is a > boat lenght plus six feet or more. To this I attach my tether when I'm > driving alone. The line is strung outside the shrouds. So the plan is if I > get tossed its a nice gentle fall in the water being free of the boat and > all obstructions and getting dragged about 10 feet behind the stern. The > boarding ladder is at the stern. This gives me sufficient time to recover > and recoup and climb back on board as the boarding ladder is on a slip knot. > One pull and she comes down. > > The last thing you want to do when you are by your self is attach to the > jack lines as you will be dangling over the safety lines and may or may not > make it into the water. Try getting out of that mess, dog or no dog...:) > > Ive learned from others that it far safer to be thrown far and clear of the > boat and then recover from the stern. Jack lines are permanently setup on BB > on P&S and use those intermittently. One concept Ive tested is used the > reverse side jack line as a balance point when going forward but its slow as > everything gets tangled. No so with the long line. I have a 20" mountain > climbing loop with a carabeener on it with the free end of the loop attached > to my harness. When I get to to the mast I clip on to the loop on the mast > that is used for the whisker pole and then lean back. That gives me enough > distance to balance and work most items at the mast by leaning back. Real > fun in a pitching boat..:) YMMV. > > /ch > > > >

Have you seen these? http://www.forespar.com/media/images/products/chocks/300044-pole-chock-sail-boat.jpg <http://www.forespar.com/media/images/products/chocks/300044-pole-chock-sail-boat.jpg> Allen On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 2:05 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Randy, > > Na dont race the boat. She is being setup as a cruising vessel, so deck > space is important as is the ability to move forward at will or as needed. > This is not the 29's strongest point. Look at the station placement. As some > point will have to add another one as the gaps are too large to easily place > a 2/x6 to hold spare fuel or other containers. > > /ch > > > > >

I have the Atomic 4, I just carry 2 spare plastic 5 gal Jerry cans attached to the stanchions on each side of the boat. that gives me 28 gallons US. I transfer the fuel with by siphoning the fuel from the cans to the tank. I think I read you were converting to diesel? That means you will cut your consumtion from a gallon an hour to a liter and hour. Lots more range than the Atomic 4. as far as sprinting to the bow, I have a small 6 ft fiberglass dingy that I mount on my cabin top, it holds two people and is powered by a 2 hp Nissan. it mounts over the companion way and keeps the rain out of the interior underway. I keep my foredeck clean. I just adapted to stepping up on the cabin and going forward, due to the stays always in the way when running up the rail. I am 6ft and 210 lbs, it works for me. You should see me picking up a mooring line in a 20 knot breeze. It seems like the boat is 40ft long. From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 2:05:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wisker pole tricks` Randy, Na dont race the boat. She is being setup as a cruising vessel, so deck space is important as is the ability to move forward at will or as needed. This is not the 29's strongest point. Look at the station placement. As some point will have to add another one as the gaps are too large to easily place a 2/x6 to hold spare fuel or other containers. /ch

The ideal is to have SS ring made and slip it under the mast, that allows you to walk all around the boat but the chain plates need to be attached to the outside of the hull as is typical on deep water boats. On coastals like the 29 when you are by yourself I always tie off even in the cockpit as the boat is on autopilot and lets say on the engine at hull speed. Kiss your boat good by if your not..in that scenario. Sometime I run the line inside other time outside pending one what I am going for the day. It limits access to one side of the boat however if you go outside of the shrouds. I like a line as I flick it like a fly line to get it out of my way. Cant do that with webbing. But two jack lines are in place for and if I need them. I prefer to use the line in most cases however. ch

Yes thats correct, A-4 to diesel so the cans will be water probably as someday there will be an extra tank in a bridgedeck concept Im trying to work out to increase the tankage. Basically I'd like a 500 nmile range and 30 days of water at 2L per day. My issue is footing on the coach roof. Knees are starting to get weak so now I wear braces most of the time to get them back into shape. I should be exercising and loosing weight and stop smoking...Hay..its the superbowl sunday right....:) Next week...we start..:) /ch