C 20

pending on your location there is lots available on craigslist. you can try allofcraigs.com http://www.allofcraigs.com/2009/08/search-all-of-craigslist.html?cx=partner-pub-9413604915893153:o8xsd8d7h7s&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=cal+20&sa=Search Check back frequently. Lots of good deals to be had. /ch

Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. Thanks..Tony

Thank you very much. I will take a look. I am in Nashville, TN. Tony From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 12:56:58 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 pending on your location there is lots available on craigslist. you can try allofcraigs.com http://www.allofcraigs.com/2009/08/search-all-of-craigslist.html?cx=partner-pub-9413604915893153:o8xsd8d7h7s&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=cal+20&sa=Search Check back frequently. Lots of good deals to be had. /ch

another place to look is http://www.cal20.com but its currently off line..for some reason. /ch

OK..Thanks. I did check that site and found they were off line yesterday as well. Tony From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:21:40 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 another place to look is http://www.cal20.com but its currently off line..for some reason. /ch

On 2/2/2011 12:57 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. > Thanks..Tony > There is one here in Traverse City, MI (not mine--of course). Good trailer. Chris Campbell

Chris...do you how I can contact them...T From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:40:09 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 On 2/2/2011 12:57 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. > Thanks..Tony > There is one here in Traverse City, MI (not mine--of course). Good trailer. Chris Campbell

On 2/2/2011 3:48 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > Chris...do you how I can contact them...T > The sellers are John and Liz Radlicki, and their e-mail address is wa… [at] charter.net. Phone is (231) 946-7119 (home) or (231) 929-6260 (John's work). I forwarded your inquiry to them but if you zap 'em an e-mail, they can just hit "reply." My boat is prettier than theirs is but their trailer beats mine by a mile. Chris

Thanks Chris...I sent John off an email...T From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:55:42 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 On 2/2/2011 3:48 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > Chris...do you how I can contact them...T > The sellers are John and Liz Radlicki, and their e-mail address is wa… [at] charter.net. Phone is (231) 946-7119 (home) or (231) 929-6260 (John's work). I forwarded your inquiry to them but if you zap 'em an e-mail, they can just hit "reply." My boat is prettier than theirs is but their trailer beats mine by a mile. Chris

There is one in Richmond CA now on Craig's list SF Bay. Coyote is for sale Hull 61 no plywood on the deck and cockpit. Lite and Fast. No trailer. In San Mateo CO, CA My Best, Mike From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 12:40:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 On 2/2/2011 12:57 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: >Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. >Thanks..Tony > There is one here in Traverse City, MI (not mine--of course). Good trailer. Chris Campbell

I couldn't find the ad for this boat. Could you send it to the group or to me personally, please? Thanks, Phileta Riley ph… [at] gmail.com On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:38 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > There is one in Richmond CA now on Craig's list SF Bay. Coyote is for > sale Hull 61 no plywood on the deck and cockpit. Lite and Fast. No > trailer. In San Mateo CO, CA > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, February 2, 2011 12:40:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 > > > > On 2/2/2011 12:57 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. > Thanks..Tony > > > There is one here in Traverse City, MI (not mine--of course). Good > trailer. > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

Thanks From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 18:38:18 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 There is one in Richmond CA now on Craig's list SF Bay. Coyote is for sale Hull 61 no plywood on the deck and cockpit. Lite and Fast. No trailer. In San Mateo CO, CA My Best, Mike From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 12:40:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 On 2/2/2011 12:57 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: >Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. >Thanks..Tony > There is one here in Traverse City, MI (not mine--of course). Good trailer. Chris Campbell

There's a free be project on Phili if anyone is interested. http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/boa/2193355834.html /ch On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:22 AM, <to… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > *From: * mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > *Sender: * Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Date: *Wed, 2 Feb 2011 18:38:18 -0800 (PST) > *To: *<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *ReplyTo: * Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 > > > > There is one in Richmond CA now on Craig's list SF Bay. Coyote is for sale > Hull 61 no plywood on the deck and cockpit. Lite and Fast. No trailer. In > San Mateo CO, CA > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, February 2, 2011 12:40:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 > > > > On 2/2/2011 12:57 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a C 20 for sell with a trailer. > Thanks..Tony > > > There is one here in Traverse City, MI (not mine--of course). Good > trailer. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > -- /ch

On 2/3/2011 10:43 AM, chris123 wrote: > > There's a free be project on Phili if anyone is interested. > > http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/boa/2193355834.html Wish they had listed the hull no.--mine's a 1967 also and they could be litter mates. Chris Campbell Proud skipper of ol' no. 1220 > >

Chris. I spoke with Liz this evening. John had meetings this evening. Plan to speak with him in a day or so. Do you happen to know if his is an early model with the bulkhead. Thanks Tony From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:55:42 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] C 20 On 2/2/2011 3:48 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > Chris...do you how I can contact them...T > The sellers are John and Liz Radlicki, and their e-mail address is wa… [at] charter.net. Phone is (231) 946-7119 (home) or (231) 929-6260 (John's work). I forwarded your inquiry to them but if you zap 'em an e-mail, they can just hit "reply." My boat is prettier than theirs is but their trailer beats mine by a mile. Chris

On 2/3/2011 7:16 PM, to… [at] gmail.com wrote: > > Chris. > > I spoke with Liz this evening. John had meetings this evening. Plan to > speak with him in a day or so. Do you happen to know if his is an > early model with the bulkhead. > No, it's the open model with the two compression posts. It has a bow pulpit and cockpit rails. Chris

Everyone, Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." So, what does your club do? Thanks Bob

How many races are in the series? Some clubs have a 5 race series with 1 throw out, others have a 4 race series with 1throw out. If it is our summer series, there are no throw outs, because that is 22 races. Randy From: Bob Ellison <bo… [at] adelphia.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 8:07:06 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group Everyone, Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." So, what does your club do? Thanks Bob

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > How many races are in the series? Some clubs have a 5 race series with 1 > throw out, others have a 4 race series with 1throw out. If it is our summer > series, there are no throw outs, because that is 22 races. > > Randy > The rules say that there will be one throw out unless you decide otherwise. I believe the assumption is this is a regatta that is held over a weekend or a week. Beer can races can go all summer so the 20% practice seems in keeping with the spirit. I did a survey last summer on this topic and collected my results which I attached below. As it says, typical is to throw out 20% but there is wide variation. I believe our club tossed out 3 out of 17 races, or about 20%. We race every week for 4 months. If they don't toss a race or two, my boss might toss me out of the house as we would not be able to go anywhere. Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have surveyed a few racers from all over the country and looked at the sailing instructions for several clubs that I was given links to. I copied the scoring sections for your reference. Typical is to use the low point scoring system from the Racing Rules of Sailing Appendix A http://www.sailing.org/tools/counter.php?id=536 This says that for a series, (not a Regatta) scoring is 1 point for 1st, 2 for second, 3 for third, x for xth, and 1+ the number of boats racing that day for did not start or did not finish. Every club allows a boat to discard its highest (worst) score. Typical is to throw out 1 score for every 5 races. In my survey, the range was throw-out 1 race out of 11 to throw-out 3 races out of 10. There was one outlier that threw out 5 races out of 11. The rules say throw out each boats worst score but it is up to the race committee to decide if it will be none or more. Throwing out a race makes it so that if something happens, like your jib halyard gets caught and you cannot finish, it doesn’t ruin the entire series. For example, High Heel had something like that happen. If she gets 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in every other race, scoring her DNF at say 8 points might put here behind score wise a boat that got 4th every race and that just does not represent what is happening in the race course. So, if you follow what is common practice, you will scratch the 3 highest scores for each boat. Boats get number of finishers plus one for not starting or finishing (DNS, DNF, DNC). My observation is you would not want to do that. Perhaps throwing out 2 races is a compromise. But the bottom line is, do what you think is right and don’t listen to me. I am only doing this to help. One additional item. For next year, if you would like me to write up some more detailed sailing instructions that cover things like the scoring, the time limit for a race, special rules about not doing dip starts, and all I am happy to do that for consideration by the race committee. I would basically just copy one of the simpler ones listed below modified for SPYC common practice. The various inputs I got are below. Allen Many Beer Can Race committee members have not read or do not have a copy of therules of sailing. Many do not understand the rules when they are shown the rule book. DNC ( did not compete) should be scored as number of starters in class plus 2. DNF (did not finish) same but only +1. Throw outs are 1 to for every 5 or 6 races, but this can be completely at the discretion of the RC. Mike http://mysite.verizon.net/captngaryr/AllenHarborRacing/AllenHarborSI.htm The low point scoring system, Appendix A of the racing rules will apply. *15.* *DROPS* Scoring for the season is subject to 20% drops. In other words 20% of your worst finishes are automatically dropped from the season scoring. It works like this: 1 to 4 races 0 drops 5 to 9 races 1 drop 10 to 14 races 2 drops Dropped scores are denoted with an asterisk next to them in the published results. http://www.ggyc.org/sailinginstructions.php 12. SCORING: • The Low Point Scoring System RRS A4.1 will be used to score finishing boats. RRS A4.2 is modified to state, penalty points will be added to the number of boats that came to the starting area plus one for OCS, DNF, DNS or RAF (prior to protest hearing), plus two for DNC, and plus three for DSQ. A DSQ for safety violation is considered as a (DNE) in addition to RRS 89.3(b). Ties will be broken in accordance with RRS A7 or A8 as appropriate. RRS A9 is deleted. • Time on Distance handicap system will apply. • This regatta consists of 9 races. Five races must be completed to constitute a series. • Refer to Sailing Instructions, Rule 1 re: Safety Violation. • Each yacht will have two throw-out races. • At least one yacht in a class must finish before 2000 for a race to be scored. http://www.encinal.org/pageResource/racing/2010/docs/2010_Spring_Twilight_SI_V1.pdf *19 Scoring: *The low point scoring system, as allowed by RRS Appendix A will apply. Five races are scheduled, of which 4 races shall be completed to constitute a series. (1 throw-out) PHRF Scoring: Time on Time handicapping system will be used. http://www.sausalitoyachtclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2010Sunsetsiv1.pdf 13. SCORING: The series will be scored as a series longer than a Regatta. A minimum of one race shall be completed to constitute a Series. If five races are completed, a boat’s worst score shall be excluded each for the Spring and Summer Series. If less than five races are completed, the scores for all races for each Series will constitute the series score. This modifies RRS Appendix A2. http://www.sfyc.org/files/10_club_si.pdf *12.2 *The Low Point Scoring System will apply for the Club Series, with the following exceptions: - A boat that does not finish (DNF) will receive one point more than the number of finishers in her division. - A boat that did not start (DNS or OCS) will be awarded one point more than the number of starters in her division. - A boat that did not compete (DNC) will be awarded one point more than the number of entrants (as of the date of the race in which she is scored DNC) in her division. - A boats disqualified (DSQ) will be awarded two points more than the number of starters in her division. This changes RRS A4.2. RRS A9 does not apply. Each boat's Series score will be a total of her race scores excluding her two worst scores. *12.3 *A maximum of nine races are scheduled. I ran the race committee for StABYC in Panama City for two years. We had four series each year, 11 races in each series with one throwout in each series. DNS is number of entrants plus 2, DNF is number of entrants plus 1. Throwouts are totally at the discretion of the race committee, but I haven't seen many series without a throwout in the instructions -- it is pretty normal for a series. For instance, we ran the Flying Scot Midwinter Championships every year and they sailed ten races with one throwout in this event which carried similar stature to the Nationals. Donald In Santa Barbara we have a spring, summer & fall series consisting of 8 races each with 2 or 3 fun races in the beginning, 1-2 between series and 2-3 at the end of the season. There is 1 throw-out in each series. The DNC & DNF are scored as other have stated , +2 & +1 respectively. Daniel I don't know what the rules state but DNS in our fleet is total boats who raced +2. So if there was 10 boats out a DNS would be scored 12. The entire fleet is scored. We race 10 in a series and throw out 3 of 10. Hope this helps! Jim we have 11, keep best 6. (5 throw outs) Reggie http://www.buffaloharborsailingclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=320&Itemid=31 *Scoring Sequence* *Adjusted Finish Time Position* *Points* 1st Place Boat 1 pt 2nd Place Boat 2 pts 3rd Place Boat 3 pts X Place Boat X pts DNF – Did Not Finish Number of boats finishing + 2 places RAF – Retired after Finishing Number of boats that came to the start area + 2 places DNS – Did Not Start Number of boats that came to the start area + 2 places OCS –On Course Side Number of boats starters + 2 places DSQ – Disqualification Number of boats that came to the start area + 2 places DNE – DSQ Not Excludable Number of boats that came to the start area + 2 places DNC – Did Not Compete Number of boats that came to the start area + 5 places RACE DISCARD SCHEDULE Total Number of Races Total Number of Discarded Races 1 to 2 0 3 to 7 1 8 to 12 2 13 to 17 3 18 to 22 4 23 to 27 5 28+ 6

The general rule is to throw out 1 race in 5 or 6. The Golden Gate yc throws out 2 of 9 in the summer series. Look up race deck on yacht club web sites on the net and you can get an idea of how other clubs handle race managment. SF Bay YRA had 1 throw out in the PC Circuit of 6 scored races in 2010. My Best, Mike From: Bob Ellison <bo… [at] adelphia.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 8:07:06 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group Everyone, Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." So, what does your club do? Thanks Bob

The "who cares" comment is accurate. Each club may set up whatever criteria they choose. We recently changed to counting all races in the series for every boat which participates. You are scored last plus 1 for each race in which you do not participate. This was in an attempt to encourage people to participate more often. In the past, the best racers would sail only enough races to get enough top finishes and not race again. Now they could be "beaten" by someone who sails well and consistently. We also had a member who was very good and always a top finisher. He would volunteer to crew on the boat finishing last to give them pointers. His fleet grew rapidly and so did the proficiency of the sailors in it. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: bo… [at] adelphia.net Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:07:06 -0500 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group Everyone, Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." So, what does your club do? Thanks Bob

If my club didn't throw out a race, I just would not compete for the year as one week vacation with the wife gives me 10 points and I would then have no chance. The rules say throw out a race for a reason. You don't have to, but in a long season I think it unkind to not allow a torn sail, a vacation, or illness to determine who the best sailor is. Also, consider this. I was in the top 3 every race and won the season. The one race I missed when we were out of town allowed another boat to finish 3rd, his only top 3 finishes all season. He was very happy to have gotten a mug (the prize). My point is, having the top finishers miss a few races isn't seen as a bad thing by everyone. It is true I might have missed one more race if I had known how many races would be tossed (they wouldn't tell) but that would just have given some of the other boats more of a chance at a mug. Allen On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The "who cares" comment is accurate. Each club may set up whatever > criteria they choose. > > We recently changed to counting all races in the series for every boat > which participates. You are scored last plus 1 for each race in which you > do not participate. This was in an attempt to encourage people to > participate more often. In the past, the best racers would sail only enough > races to get enough top finishes and not race again. Now they could be > "beaten" by someone who sails well and consistently. > > We also had a member who was very good and always a top finisher. He would > volunteer to crew on the boat finishing last to give them pointers. His > fleet grew rapidly and so did the proficiency of the sailors in it. > Reggie > > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: bo… [at] adelphia.net > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:07:06 -0500 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group > > > Everyone, > Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many > races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 > races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out > 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw > outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until > we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response > of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." > So, what does your club do? > Thanks > Bob > > > >

Everyone, Thanks for the responses. Over a weekend regatta, I'm all for counting all races. But I personally think a series is too long to not throw out anything, and I'm afraid we'd have people not bother if we did that. We don't really have the numbers to lose anyone. A couple years ago I had to attend a bunch of planning board meetings early in the season. Those were my throw outs and I was approaching the "why bother" point. I was one of the proponents of changing the 50% throw out that our club used to use. That was way too many. The current 30% was a compromise, and I think that could / should be changed, just not as far as a couple of the guys want. Thanks again. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group If my club didn't throw out a race, I just would not compete for the year as one week vacation with the wife gives me 10 points and I would then have no chance. The rules say throw out a race for a reason. You don't have to, but in a long season I think it unkind to not allow a torn sail, a vacation, or illness to determine who the best sailor is. Also, consider this. I was in the top 3 every race and won the season. The one race I missed when we were out of town allowed another boat to finish 3rd, his only top 3 finishes all season. He was very happy to have gotten a mug (the prize). My point is, having the top finishers miss a few races isn't seen as a bad thing by everyone. It is true I might have missed one more race if I had known how many races would be tossed (they wouldn't tell) but that would just have given some of the other boats more of a chance at a mug. Allen On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: The "who cares" comment is accurate. Each club may set up whatever criteria they choose. We recently changed to counting all races in the series for every boat which participates. You are scored last plus 1 for each race in which you do not participate. This was in an attempt to encourage people to participate more often. In the past, the best racers would sail only enough races to get enough top finishes and not race again. Now they could be "beaten" by someone who sails well and consistently. We also had a member who was very good and always a top finisher. He would volunteer to crew on the boat finishing last to give them pointers. His fleet grew rapidly and so did the proficiency of the sailors in it. Reggie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: bo… [at] adelphia.net Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:07:06 -0500 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group Everyone, Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." So, what does your club do? Thanks Bob

Hi to all, Sailboat racing is a great sport, but today many folks are stretched for time, especially in the summer i.e. weddings, grads, vacation, painting the house, etc. Here in Lake St Clair, MI we have some 9 clubs that sponsor 12-13 races over the season. They are run by the Detroit Regional Yacht-racing Assoc - - www.DRYA.org . Each club presents flags after a race and for the season the DRYA presents season flags. We have a spring and summer series going from mid-May thru the end of Sept. To help open weekends, their is one Friday evening race (12miles) and one Friday night race (40miles). We have a break during July so boats can go up and do the Port Huron to Mackinac race, so three weekends are held out for the logisitics of that race. The spring and summer season each have a throw out and for season overall you get 3 throw outs. If you are able to participate in each regatta their is special recognization called the Shamrock award, no matter how you placed. We also have Monday Night Doublehanded racing (10 races), which is a Spring and Summer series, in June and in August. Series awards are split with a throwout in each series and no overall flags. Think you'll find most areas are close to this type program. Spring is coming - Regards, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 Commodore 2009 - Crescent Sail Yacht Club From: "Bob Ellison" <bo… [at] adelphia.net> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2011 11:07:06 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Question for the racers in the group Everyone, Our race committee was having a discussion last week regarding how many races to throw out during our season series. May to September and 20 races. Going back a couple years, our club on Oneida Lake, NY threw out 50%. We then moved it to 30%. The discussion last week went to no throw outs over the season, before I made a motion to table the discussion until we could figure out what other clubs do. Even that comment got a response of "who cares what other clubs do, I'm sailing here." So, what does your club do? Thanks Bob