Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cruising 36 for sale

Chris - Go to _www.marinas.com_ (http://www.marinas.com) and look around as they have most of the marinas on the Bay in their database with aerial photos and scrollable charts. Deltaville, VA has several marinas and yards to choose from and should be fairly reasonable. There are a a couple on the eastern shore but draft can be an issue down south. Somers Cove is a big marina that I believe is owned by the town of Crisfield. I don't know what services they have though. Scotts Cove in Chance, MD is mostly a watermans' marina but a couple of guys I know have kept their sailboats there. Getting in and out can be an issue at low tide so I'd definitely call them and talk to them. If they do mast stepping I'm sure they'd be reasonable. Good luck - Paul In a message dated 3/9/2011 11:16:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ch… [at] gmail.com writes: Info request: I'm trying to broker a deal for a friend on this boat. Guy in the middle stuff and if she buys it I get the fun of delivering her to Nova Scotia if she decides to go ahead with it. Right now I'm just trying to get all the costs aligned which are many to get a true dollar figure in place. total cost estimate stuff. Here's the rub, the yard is expensive and want almost 2K to step the old wooden mast. The boat is located in Rescue VA, So here's an idea, build a crib for the mast, three of them, stern, centre and bow, have the yard load it and take it to a yard that is less costly and would allow work to be done on the boat to prepare her to bring her home. Yard work is not allowed at the current location. Anyone in the area know of a reasonably priced marina in the lower Chesapeake, say within a 100 miles of Rescue VA? that (a) allows working on the boat in the water (b) has reasonable mooring costs (c) has reasonable mast stepping costs. The Chesapeake always blows me away on mast stepping fees as here at home its 2 bucks a foot max. Now I know I cant get that in the region but 2K to step a mast is just plain robbery. Many thanks for any info. /ch

cris I thought all Cal 36's metal mast's (ours reg.1968?) you had a choice of painted mast & boom $126 or anodized $249 (1967 price guide) maybe I am wrong ...edward From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cruising 36 for sale Chris - Go to www.marinas.com and look around as they have most of the marinas on the Bay in their database with aerial photos and scrollable charts. Deltaville, VA has several marinas and yards to choose from and should be fairly reasonable. There are a a couple on the eastern shore but draft can be an issue down south. Somers Cove is a big marina that I believe is owned by the town of Crisfield. I don't know what services they have though. Scotts Cove in Chance, MD is mostly a watermans' marina but a couple of guys I know have kept their sailboats there. Getting in and out can be an issue at low tide so I'd definitely call them and talk to them. If they do mast stepping I'm sure they'd be reasonable. Good luck - Paul In a message dated 3/9/2011 11:16:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ch… [at] gmail.com writes: >Info request: > >I'm trying to broker a deal for a friend on this boat. Guy in the middle >stuff and if she buys it I get the fun of delivering her to Nova Scotia if >she decides to go ahead with it. Right now I'm just trying to get all the >costs aligned which are many to get a true dollar figure in place. total cost >estimate stuff. > > >Here's the rub, the yard is expensive and want almost 2K to step the old >wooden mast. The boat is located in Rescue VA, > > >So here's an idea, build a crib for the mast, three of them, stern, centre >and bow, have the yard load it and take it to a yard that is less costly and >would allow work to be done on the boat to prepare her to bring her home. >Yard work is not allowed at the current location. > > >Anyone in the area know of a reasonably priced marina in the lower >Chesapeake, say within a 100 miles of Rescue VA? that (a) allows working on >the boat in the water (b) has reasonable mooring costs (c) has reasonable >mast stepping costs. The Chesapeake always blows me away on mast stepping >fees as here at home its 2 bucks a foot max. Now I know I cant get that in >the region but 2K to step a mast is just plain robbery. > > >Many thanks for any info. > >/ch > > >

Me bad, made a boo boo. I mistook the boat as an L-36 not cruising 36. Guess I was in too much of a hurry reading the add. Had a chat with the fellow and we are good for now. Now to see what the other end has to say. I sure hope she takes it if for no other reason then I get to deliver it..:) Thanks for all the advise and recommendations. Its appreciated. /ch

I used a simple hand cranked picker to unstep and restep a keel stepped mast on my Pilot 35. Just find a convenient hoist or picker, go along side and get it on. Alternatly a couple of sisterships or sailing vessels can be used. 2 grand to unstep a mast is a felony!!! My Best, Mike From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cruising 36 for sale Chris - Go to www.marinas.com and look around as they have most of the marinas on the Bay in their database with aerial photos and scrollable charts. Deltaville, VA has several marinas and yards to choose from and should be fairly reasonable. There are a a couple on the eastern shore but draft can be an issue down south. Somers Cove is a big marina that I believe is owned by the town of Crisfield. I don't know what services they have though. Scotts Cove in Chance, MD is mostly a watermans' marina but a couple of guys I know have kept their sailboats there. Getting in and out can be an issue at low tide so I'd definitely call them and talk to them. If they do mast stepping I'm sure they'd be reasonable. Good luck - Paul In a message dated 3/9/2011 11:16:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ch… [at] gmail.com writes: >Info request: > >I'm trying to broker a deal for a friend on this boat. Guy in the middle stuff >and if she buys it I get the fun of delivering her to Nova Scotia if she decides >to go ahead with it. Right now I'm just trying to get all the costs aligned >which are many to get a true dollar figure in place. total cost estimate stuff. > > >Here's the rub, the yard is expensive and want almost 2K to step the old wooden >mast. The boat is located in Rescue VA, > > >So here's an idea, build a crib for the mast, three of them, stern, centre and >bow, have the yard load it and take it to a yard that is less costly and would >allow work to be done on the boat to prepare her to bring her home. Yard work is >not allowed at the current location. > > >Anyone in the area know of a reasonably priced marina in the lower Chesapeake, >say within a 100 miles of Rescue VA? that (a) allows working on the boat in the >water (b) has reasonable mooring costs (c) has reasonable mast stepping costs. >The Chesapeake always blows me away on mast stepping fees as here at home its 2 >bucks a foot max. Now I know I cant get that in the region but 2K to step a mast >is just plain robbery. > > >Many thanks for any info. > >/ch > > >

Chris - If you want to motor all the way up to Cambridge, MD, Yacht Maintenance charged me around $400 last time for my Cal 39. If you look at the aerial photo of their yard in Marinas.com you can see my old CS 30 in its slip on the far right next to an old life boat with a corrugated fiberglass roof. Some guy pays $1500+ a year to keep that old tub in that slip and I've only seen him there once in 7 or 8 years. Has a bilge pump of some sort plugged into shore power that keeps the rainwater to about 15" in it LOL. People are strange . . . . Paul

Wow! 2k to step a wooden mast? Where do people get off?! Wow! From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:24:34 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cruising 36 for sale I used a simple hand cranked picker to unstep and restep a keel stepped mast on my Pilot 35. Just find a convenient hoist or picker, go along side and get it on. Alternatly a couple of sisterships or sailing vessels can be used. 2 grand to unstep a mast is a felony!!! My Best, Mike From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cruising 36 for sale Chris - Go to www.marinas.com and look around as they have most of the marinas on the Bay in their database with aerial photos and scrollable charts. Deltaville, VA has several marinas and yards to choose from and should be fairly reasonable. There are a a couple on the eastern shore but draft can be an issue down south. Somers Cove is a big marina that I believe is owned by the town of Crisfield. I don't know what services they have though. Scotts Cove in Chance, MD is mostly a watermans' marina but a couple of guys I know have kept their sailboats there. Getting in and out can be an issue at low tide so I'd definitely call them and talk to them. If they do mast stepping I'm sure they'd be reasonable. Good luck - Paul In a message dated 3/9/2011 11:16:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ch… [at] gmail.com writes: >Info request: > >I'm trying to broker a deal for a friend on this boat. Guy in the middle stuff >and if she buys it I get the fun of delivering her to Nova Scotia if she decides >to go ahead with it. Right now I'm just trying to get all the costs aligned >which are many to get a true dollar figure in place. total cost estimate stuff. > > >Here's the rub, the yard is expensive and want almost 2K to step the old wooden >mast. The boat is located in Rescue VA, > > >So here's an idea, build a crib for the mast, three of them, stern, centre and >bow, have the yard load it and take it to a yard that is less costly and would >allow work to be done on the boat to prepare her to bring her home. Yard work is >not allowed at the current location. > > >Anyone in the area know of a reasonably priced marina in the lower Chesapeake, >say within a 100 miles of Rescue VA? that (a) allows working on the boat in the >water (b) has reasonable mooring costs (c) has reasonable mast stepping costs. >The Chesapeake always blows me away on mast stepping fees as here at home its 2 >bucks a foot max. Now I know I cant get that in the region but 2K to step a mast >is just plain robbery. > > >Many thanks for any info. > >/ch > > >

OK after speaking to the current owner the cost needs to be explained as to not to malign the yard and put the cost in some context. The estimate is a worst case scenario by the yard manager including replacement of rigging and or turnbuckles etc as may be needed as the yard knows the boat well and cares for it as the current owner is new to sailing. So its not just a matter of stepping the mast rather a turn key cost. In that context it makes sense, sorta....:) /ch On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM, <bh… [at] msn.com> wrote: > > > Wow! 2k to step a wooden mast? Where do people get off?! Wow! > > >

On 3/9/2011 4:30 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > If you look at the aerial photo of their yard in Marinas.com you can > see my old CS 30 in its slip on the far right next to an old life boat > with a corrugated fiberglass roof. Some guy pays $1500+ a year to > keep that old tub in that slip and I've only seen him there once in 7 > or 8 years. People are strange . . . . That comment applies to me so I grin. I've got a big 1965 Oldsmobile stored in a nice modern farm barn. $300/year or so. But wait, it's been there 17 years now?? Let's see... $300 x 17.... what's the market value of that car... it probably would have been cheaper to sell it and buy another one when I had time to work on it. Yup, we humans are strange critters. The conservative commentator and columnist David Brooks has written a new book on the role of emotion in our lives and decision-making. An interviewer asked him how it affected his view of the world. He said "Well, I have less confidence in the 'free market.' " My own behavior refutes any theory that we are all economic rationalists. And let's face it, no rational person would own a sailboat. Hole in water, pour in money, all that. Chris Campbell

If you look at the aerial photo of their yard in Marinas.com you can see my old CS 30 in its slip on the far right next to an old life boat with a corrugated fiberglass roof. Some guy pays $1500+ a year to keep that old tub in that slip and I've only seen him there once in 7 or 8 years. People are strange . . . . That comment applies to me so I grin. I've got a big 1965 Oldsmobile stored in a nice modern farm barn. $300/year or so. But wait, it's been there 17 years now?? Let's see... $300 x 17.... what's the market value of that car... it probably would have been cheaper to sell it and buy another one when I had time to work on it. Yup, we humans are strange critters. The conservative commentator and columnist David Brooks has written a new book on the role of emotion in our lives and decision-making. An interviewer asked him how it affected his view of the world. He said "Well, I have less confidence in the 'free market.' " My own behavior refutes any theory that we are all economic rationalists. And let's face it, no rational person would own a sailboat. Hole in water, pour in money, all that. Chris Campbell Well now that I think about it, I am the pot calling the kettle black. I have had a storage unit for 8 or 9 years that I pay $85 a month for that was to be temporary until I got my garage in order. Well I guess I've dropped about $9000 in that damn place and I know there isn't 9K worth of crap in there . . . sigh. I could have poured all that money into my hole in the water and been MUCH happier. Stop talking sense, you're depressing me LOL Paul

Move it to our storage facility, CrAMELOT Storage. Rates are probably lower and we need the cashflow to support our hole(s) in the water! Reggie Well now that I think about it, I am the pot calling the kettle black. I have had a storage unit for 8 or 9 years that I pay $85 a month for that was to be temporary until I got my garage in order. Well I guess I've dropped about $9000 in that damn place and I know there isn't 9K worth of crap in there . . . sigh. I could have poured all that money into my hole in the water and been MUCH happier. Stop talking sense, you're depressing me LOL Paul