Beer Can Race toss outs

There has been some discussion on how many toss outs (20% is typical) various clubs have. I am trying to convince my race chairman to announce ahead of time how many toss outs there will be. Seems obvious to me that racing with know rules is a good idea but what I am asking the group for help with is what are the advantages of having toss outs. Here is what I have come up with so far. As a background, our racing season is 18 races although some will likely be canceled due to weather. 1) It will allow people to plan vacations without thinking they might be hurting their chances for the season 2) It will keep people interested who might have a really bad race, break something, etc. Otherwise they might give up. 3) It will allow you to score further down the list without overly penalizing someone for one bad race. For example, this would allow boats to know if they finished 5th or 6th or 7th in the series. You can score boats with full points, giving the 10th place boat 10 points yet they would know they can toss that race if it was their only poor finish. This works best with 4 toss outs imho. 4) It would spread the mugs around more if a couple of the top boats sat out more races. 5) Letting people know ahead of time eliminates any question of having the race committee "pick" the winner by picking the rules that might favor one boat over another. 6) It is always better to know the rules when you are playing the game and publishing ahead of time does this. 7) Even if there are toss outs, it is still an advantage to race every race as this just allows you to toss out more unfavorable finishes so it really should not discourage participation. On the contrary, if there were no toss outs, one bad finish or miss would take away all chances for a boat's standing so why bother being concerned with showing up for so many races. Any other reasons? Any I should leave out? Allen

Hi Allen, Because you race every week and it an 18 race series I believe separating the series into 2 parts--9 races each with 2 throw outs. Award a series champion to each series and if there the will combine both series for an overall winner of both the first and second series. The throwouts must be specified in the NOR not later. I like all your reasons. Good racing! My Best, Mike From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 10:13:12 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beer Can Race toss outs There has been some discussion on how many toss outs (20% is typical) various clubs have. I am trying to convince my race chairman to announce ahead of time how many toss outs there will be. Seems obvious to me that racing with know rules is a good idea but what I am asking the group for help with is what are the advantages of having toss outs. Here is what I have come up with so far. As a background, our racing season is 18 races although some will likely be canceled due to weather. 1) It will allow people to plan vacations without thinking they might be hurting their chances for the season 2) It will keep people interested who might have a really bad race, break something, etc. Otherwise they might give up. 3) It will allow you to score further down the list without overly penalizing someone for one bad race. For example, this would allow boats to know if they finished 5th or 6th or 7th in the series. You can score boats with full points, giving the 10th place boat 10 points yet they would know they can toss that race if it was their only poor finish. This works best with 4 toss outs imho. 4) It would spread the mugs around more if a couple of the top boats sat out more races. 5) Letting people know ahead of time eliminates any question of having the race committee "pick" the winner by picking the rules that might favor one boat over another. 6) It is always better to know the rules when you are playing the game and publishing ahead of time does this. 7) Even if there are toss outs, it is still an advantage to race every race as this just allows you to toss out more unfavorable finishes so it really should not discourage participation. On the contrary, if there were no toss outs, one bad finish or miss would take away all chances for a boat's standing so why bother being concerned with showing up for so many races. Any other reasons? Any I should leave out? Allen

If I could get him to publish a NOR that would make it easier to include the throw outs :-) I like your idea and will pass it by him as soon as I get a few more inputs. Allen On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:13 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Allen, > Because you race every week and it an 18 race series I believe > separating the series into 2 parts--9 races each with 2 throw outs. Award a > series champion to each series and if there the will combine both series for > an overall winner of both the first and second series. The throwouts must > be specified in the NOR not later. I like all your reasons. Good racing! > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sun, March 20, 2011 10:13:12 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Beer Can Race toss outs > > > > There has been some discussion on how many toss outs (20% is typical) > various clubs have. I am trying to convince my race chairman to announce > ahead of time how many toss outs there will be. Seems obvious to me that > racing with know rules is a good idea but what I am asking the group for > help with is what are the advantages of having toss outs. Here is what I > have come up with so far. As a background, our racing season is 18 races > although some will likely be canceled due to weather. > > 1) It will allow people to plan vacations without thinking they might be > hurting their chances for the season > 2) It will keep people interested who might have a really bad race, break > something, etc. Otherwise they might give up. > 3) It will allow you to score further down the list without overly > penalizing someone for one bad race. For example, this would allow boats to > know if they finished 5th or 6th or 7th in the series. You can score boats > with full points, giving the 10th place boat 10 points yet they would know > they can toss that race if it was their only poor finish. This works best > with 4 toss outs imho. > 4) It would spread the mugs around more if a couple of the top boats sat > out more races. > 5) Letting people know ahead of time eliminates any question of having the > race committee "pick" the winner by picking the rules that might favor one > boat over another. > 6) It is always better to know the rules when you are playing the game and > publishing ahead of time does this. > 7) Even if there are toss outs, it is still an advantage to race every race > as this just allows you to toss out more unfavorable finishes so it really > should not discourage participation. On the contrary, if there were no toss > outs, one bad finish or miss would take away all chances for a boat's > standing so why bother being concerned with showing up for so many races. > > Any other reasons? Any I should leave out? > > Allen > > > >

Yes, Allen, I agree with previous post(s). ALL rules (including throwouts) need to be prepublished to avoid dog fights, cat fights, and other random incidents later. Mike's idea on dividing the series is a good one. A fresh start to renew the hope of the great unwashed. I have some ideas on the weather site that I am putting together. On my end, thought is a slow process. The site is a useful piece of hard work on your part. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer Can Race toss outs If I could get him to publish a NOR that would make it easier to include the throw outs :-) I like your idea and will pass it by him as soon as I get a few more inputs. Allen On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:13 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Hi Allen, Because you race every week and it an 18 race series I believe separating the series into 2 parts--9 races each with 2 throw outs. Award a series champion to each series and if there the will combine both series for an overall winner of both the first and second series. The throwouts must be specified in the NOR not later. I like all your reasons. Good racing! My Best, Mike From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 10:13:12 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beer Can Race toss outs There has been some discussion on how many toss outs (20% is typical) various clubs have. I am trying to convince my race chairman to announce ahead of time how many toss outs there will be. Seems obvious to me that racing with know rules is a good idea but what I am asking the group for help with is what are the advantages of having toss outs. Here is what I have come up with so far. As a background, our racing season is 18 races although some will likely be canceled due to weather. 1) It will allow people to plan vacations without thinking they might be hurting their chances for the season 2) It will keep people interested who might have a really bad race, break something, etc. Otherwise they might give up. 3) It will allow you to score further down the list without overly penalizing someone for one bad race. For example, this would allow boats to know if they finished 5th or 6th or 7th in the series. You can score boats with full points, giving the 10th place boat 10 points yet they would know they can toss that race if it was their only poor finish. This works best with 4 toss outs imho. 4) It would spread the mugs around more if a couple of the top boats sat out more races. 5) Letting people know ahead of time eliminates any question of having the race committee "pick" the winner by picking the rules that might favor one boat over another. 6) It is always better to know the rules when you are playing the game and publishing ahead of time does this. 7) Even if there are toss outs, it is still an advantage to race every race as this just allows you to toss out more unfavorable finishes so it really should not discourage participation. On the contrary, if there were no toss outs, one bad finish or miss would take away all chances for a boat's standing so why bother being concerned with showing up for so many races. Any other reasons? Any I should leave out? Allen

FYI (www.canone.org) SCORING Scoring will be calculated by the use of the Cox-Sprague System, with the points for each race determined by the number of starters in the division and the finishing position of each yacht. Prizes will be awarded for final season standings of qualifying yachts in each division. Participation in a minimum of eight of the scheduled races is needed to qualify. (Yachts serving as Race Committee, starting a race that is subsequently cancelled or in the Starting Area during a Postponement prior to a Cancellation, shall receive credit toward qualifying should the yacht not otherwise complete the required eight races.) If a yacht sails in more races than needed to qualify, its season standing shall be determined by the average score of the yacht's best eight races. From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 1:13:12 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beer Can Race toss outs There has been some discussion on how many toss outs (20% is typical) various clubs have. I am trying to convince my race chairman to announce ahead of time how many toss outs there will be. Seems obvious to me that racing with know rules is a good idea but what I am asking the group for help with is what are the advantages of having toss outs. Here is what I have come up with so far. As a background, our racing season is 18 races although some will likely be canceled due to weather. 1) It will allow people to plan vacations without thinking they might be hurting their chances for the season 2) It will keep people interested who might have a really bad race, break something, etc. Otherwise they might give up. 3) It will allow you to score further down the list without overly penalizing someone for one bad race. For example, this would allow boats to know if they finished 5th or 6th or 7th in the series. You can score boats with full points, giving the 10th place boat 10 points yet they would know they can toss that race if it was their only poor finish. This works best with 4 toss outs imho. 4) It would spread the mugs around more if a couple of the top boats sat out more races. 5) Letting people know ahead of time eliminates any question of having the race committee "pick" the winner by picking the rules that might favor one boat over another. 6) It is always better to know the rules when you are playing the game and publishing ahead of time does this. 7) Even if there are toss outs, it is still an advantage to race every race as this just allows you to toss out more unfavorable finishes so it really should not discourage participation. On the contrary, if there were no toss outs, one bad finish or miss would take away all chances for a boat's standing so why bother being concerned with showing up for so many races. Any other reasons? Any I should leave out? Allen