Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat accident in San Diego

In a message dated 3/30/2011 4:52:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: The fools teach us that nothing is really fool-proof. Because they are always making better fools ;-) Paul

That's because fools are allowed to breed indiscriminately. Owners of fools often fail to have their fools neutered or spayed. Brian From: pw… [at] aol.com Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:57:03 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat accident in San Diego In a message dated 3/30/2011 4:52:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: The fools teach us that nothing is really fool-proof. Because they are always making better fools ;-) Paul

That's because fools are allowed to breed indiscriminately. Owners of fools often fail to have their fools neutered or spayed. Brian, On the other hand, no one is immune to doing something foolish, eventually, or, forgetfully, which comes with old age and wisdom. I'm always learning something new, or, to my chagrin, forgetting something I've learned. My friend Mike Inmon, who is a MacGregor dealer in Newport, CA, owns a MacGregor 26 which was returned by it's first owner for having a leaky ballast tank, which was never able to be fixed. He installed a MacGregor 25 keel, and a rotating mast from a MacGregor 26X, including a square topped mainsail. He raced it very successfully for years, more often than not, taking first place. I read about two men sailed a MacGregor 25 from the Virgin Islands, across the Caribbean, up the Orinoco River, portaged it to the Amazon River, sailed down the Amazon River, and sailed back to the Virgin Islands. I don't know too many boats that could accomplish that feat. That being said, as it often is said these days, going out with 10 "special needs" people on board any small keelboat, likely with little or no sailing knowledge is a pretty foolish thing, and the skipper is likely to be in deep legal problems for it. Lucky 8 of 10 people survived, and good think it happened where it did, a sheltered, high traffic area of San Diego Bay. Jerry -- Brian From: pw… [at] aol.com Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:57:03 EDTTo: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat accident in San Diego In a message dated 3/30/2011 4:52:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: The fools teach us that nothing is really fool-proof. Because they are always making better fools ;-) Paul

The BOSTON GLOBE had an article today (3-30-11) that was from the AP (I think?) ,anyway, the boat was a 1988 Macgregor 26, water-ballasted boat, those boats have a real skinny centerboard that at best has just enough weight to avoid floating back up into the CB trunk. Anyway, the article mentioned that Roger Macgregor himself was assisting in the investigation, and theorized that the ballast water tank was not filled properly before the trip. The article also mentioned that they were sailing under the jib alone and a gust of wind rolled the boat over when they could not release the jibsheet in time. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:06:56 +0000 george macon <ge… [at] hotmail.com> writes: There is a photo on sailinganarchy.com that shows the stern full of people with the bow up in the air, and a copy of the owners manual basically saying not to go out without filling up the ballast, and if you dont fill the ballast, you are likely to capsize... To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: th… [at] gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:52:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat accident in San Diego I heard the boat was setup for a water ballast system and the ballast was empty when they recovered the boat. The boat also used a retractable keel that probably folded up as soon as the boat went over. It's a such a shame that two people died in such a preventable incident.. I bet the skipper is in hot water! On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Richard Dozier <dd… [at] frontier.com> wrote: When our local paper reported incorrectly that l0 people had been thrown into the water when their 35-foot boat capsized near Shelter Island, I was puzzled as to how something like that could happen in such protected waters. Part of the mystery was solved when we subsequently learned that the boat was only 26 feet long. The rest was solved when the story in this morning's newspaper identified the boat as a MacGregor. If it's like the models I've seen in my marina, I wouldn't feel safe taking one out in breeze on Coeur d'Alene. Richard Dozier "Pantera " Cal 40 #110 Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d93f9c055dd044411fst05duc