14 messages2011-04-28 16:12 UTCthrough 2011-04-30 00:13 UTC
Mexico?
Husar, Charlie [USA]2011-04-28 16:12 UTC
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
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General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randall Alcorn2011-04-28 16:24 UTC
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
David Wilkie Owen2011-04-28 16:32 UTC
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randall Alcorn2011-04-28 16:49 UTC
I focused on the short answer. The long answer deals with the politics of the Border Run which is a shame it came to be in the 1st place.
I only have my cell phone to type but what ahppened is Russel Catamarans was not allowed to race in the N2E because they had flipped a few. So he started a race in competition on the N2E. This year 225 baots raced in the Border Run. Most did it so they did not have to go to Mexico and others did it cause they didn't need a PHRF Cert. However their was a lot of multihulls that would never race the N2E cause of size restricitions. You could race a Lazer and Paddle board in this race.
I hope SCYC wakes up and seperates these weekends by 6 mos. The Border Run is not going away.
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:33, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] me.com> wrote:
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randall Alcorn2011-04-28 17:06 UTC
I meant the Reynolds 33.
Sorry for Type Os
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:49, Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
I focused on the short answer. The long answer deals with the politics of the Border Run which is a shame it came to be in the 1st place.
I only have my cell phone to type but what ahppened is Russel Catamarans was not allowed to race in the N2E because they had flipped a few. So he started a race in competition on the N2E. This year 225 baots raced in the Border Run. Most did it so they did not have to go to Mexico and others did it cause they didn't need a PHRF Cert. However their was a lot of multihulls that would never race the N2E cause of size restricitions. You could race a Lazer and Paddle board in this race.
I hope SCYC wakes up and seperates these weekends by 6 mos. The Border Run is not going away.
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:33, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] me.com> wrote:
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Gerald Sobel2011-04-29 04:04 UTC
Randy,
That's probably a good idea, to separate the two races by more than one weekend. You'd want it to be during a time when you had long day light, however. Late July? Early June?
Mid May? All it's going to take is one kidnapping and you can kiss the Newport to Ensenada good bye, or not? Life threatening danger hasn't dissuaded many folks from taking chances, other wise we wouldn't have wars, astronauts, or hang glider pilots, or that infamous Boxing Day Race Down Under.
Jerry
--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:49 AM
I focused on the short answer. The long answer deals with the politics of the Border Run which is a shame it came to be in the 1st place.
I only have my cell phone to type but what ahppened is Russel Catamarans was not allowed to race in the N2E because they had flipped a few. So he started a race in competition on the N2E. This year 225 baots raced in the Border Run. Most did it so they did not have to go to Mexico and others did it cause they didn't need a PHRF Cert. However their was a lot of multihulls that would never race the N2E cause of size restricitions. You could race a Lazer and Paddle board in this race.
I hope SCYC wakes up and seperates these weekends by 6 mos. The Border Run is not going away.
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:33, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] me.com> wrote:
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Sabine Faulhaber2011-04-29 05:56 UTC
I don't have any prior experience to compare it to - last year was my first
"little Ensenada" (San Diego to Ensenada) and it seemed to the casual observer
that at least when you go as far south as Ensenada, us "gringos" are still
welcome. This year I got recruited to be part of the team that organizes the
race from the San Diego side - will report back with more impressions in the
fall.
Have not been able to be on the N2E - but it seems that what use to be "the
race" on the West Coast is slowly fading, what a shame.
Seems to me Ensenada is still heavily dependent on tourism, so that may be a
contributing factor to the friendly reception. That said, even though I live a
measly 9 miles from the border I have not been to Tijuana, and will probably
avoid it for some time.
That said, I met a sailor from Bellingham that cruised Mexico for the last 6
months on an Ericson 27 and had mostly good experiences - check out his blog for
some first hand impressions
http://cdlloyd.blogspot.com/
Sabine
s/v "Estrella", Cal 3-30 (finally all mine)
formerly Santa Barbara, Ca, now San Diego, Ca (boat soon Ventura, Ca)
From: Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 28 April, 2011 10:06:37
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
I meant the Reynolds 33.
Sorry for Type Os
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:49, Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
I focused on the short answer. The long answer deals with the politics of the
Border Run which is a shame it came to be in the 1st place.
I only have my cell phone to type but what ahppened is Russel Catamarans was not
allowed to race in the N2E because they had flipped a few. So he started a race
in competition on the N2E. This year 225 baots raced in the Border Run. Most did
it so they did not have to go to Mexico and others did it cause they didn't need
a PHRF Cert. However their was a lot of multihulls that would never race the N2E
cause of size restricitions. You could race a Lazer and Paddle board in this
race.
I hope SCYC wakes up and seperates these weekends by 6 mos. The Border Run is
not going away.
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:33, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] me.com> wrote:
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any
concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to
San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are
down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars
and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht
clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as
in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't
show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West
Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat
transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been
engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other
criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have
been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More
than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost
two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence
since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been
killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements
due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of
your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar
areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in
violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not
exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of
violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal
activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed
car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of
U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico
increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico? The Good Ole Days
Tom Vandiver2011-04-29 10:20 UTC
Hi Cal Folks,
I recently came across this photo of my 1983 Newport to Ensenada Race crew on
board Satori, our Cal Cruising 46. I do not remember where we placed, but we had
fun.
I had raced about every Ensenada Race from the early 70's on my Cal 25 up until
our last year in 1987.
Tom & Bobbie Vandiver
From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 11:04:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randy,
That's probably a good idea, to separate the two races by more than one weekend.
You'd want it to be during a time when you had long day light, however. Late
July? Early June?
Mid May? All it's going to take is one kidnapping and you can kiss the Newport
to Ensenada good bye, or not? Life threatening danger hasn't dissuaded many
folks from taking chances, other wise we wouldn't have wars, astronauts, or hang
glider pilots, or that infamous Boxing Day Race Down Under.
Jerry
--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:49 AM
>
>
>
>I focused on the short answer. The long answer deals with the politics of the
>Border Run which is a shame it came to be in the 1st place.
>
>I only have my cell phone to type but what ahppened is Russel Catamarans was not
>allowed to race in the N2E because they had flipped a few. So he started a race
>in competition on the N2E. This year 225 baots raced in the Border Run. Most did
>it so they did not have to go to Mexico and others did it cause they didn't need
>a PHRF Cert. However their was a lot of multihulls that would never race the N2E
>cause of size restricitions. You could race a Lazer and Paddle board in this
>race.
>
>I hope SCYC wakes up and seperates these weekends by 6 mos. The Border Run is
>not going away.
>
>
>
>
>-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
>
On Apr 28, 2011 9:33, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] me.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Randy,
>
>
>I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any
>concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to
>San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
>
>
>Wilkie
>
>On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
>
>
>The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are
>down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars
>and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht
>clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as
>in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't
>show up this year.
>
>Randy
>Cal 2-29
>Out Patient
>Commodore AYC
>
>
>
>
>
>-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
>
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West
>Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>General Conditions
>
>Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat
>transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been
>engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other
>criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have
>been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More
>than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost
>two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence
>since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been
>killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
>
>
>There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements
>due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of
>your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar
>areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in
>violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not
>exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of
>violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal
>activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed
>car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of
>U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico
>increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico? The Good Ole Days [1 Attachment]
mike2011-04-29 11:55 UTC
Looks like the ladies kept the tall, ugly one around because they felt
sorry for her. No other explanation... :-)
On 4/29/2011 6:20 AM, Tom Vandiver wrote:
> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Tom Vandiver included below]
>
> Hi Cal Folks,
> I recently came across this photo of my 1983 Newport to Ensenada Race
> crew on board Satori, our Cal Cruising 46. I do not remember where we
> placed, but we had fun.
> I had raced about every Ensenada Race from the early 70's on my Cal 25
> up until our last year in 1987.
> Tom & Bobbie Vandiver
>
> Attachment(s) from Tom Vandiver
>
> 1 of 1 Photo(s)
>
> scan0001_crop.jpg
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/attachments/folder/561430183/item/2031066079/view>
> scan0001_crop.jpg
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/attachments/folder/561430183/item/2031066079/view>
>
>
Re: Mexico?
Danny2011-04-29 15:31
Charlie:
I did the Baja Haha last winter with 175 other boats. It was about average attendance compared to previuos years and we had a blast. Sailed out of San Diego and fetched Cabo San Lucas two weeks later. We had two stops and met nothing but wonderful, generous but terribly poor people. (I don't think they really knew they are poor.)
We did see a Mexican Coast Gurad warship in battle gray when anchored in Bajia De Tortuga one day. They stared and cirlced for a couple hours but never bothered to board anyone. It was nice to see them but it was a non-event compared to a beach party with fresh local fish, beans, rice, torillas and cold beer while mingling with a few hundred of your closest new friends. At night time we dodged quite a few fishermen but our AIS was golden all the way down. it never showed us Capt Jack Sparrow anywhere.
I, for one, think this Pirate BS is a grunion hunt in Baja. (The mainland is a different story.) If you have a chance to sail in Mexico, go!
Danny
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Fin Beven2011-04-29 16:17 UTC
We had 5 Cal-40s entered in the Boarder Run (Newport to San Diego), which I've found to be a much better race and destination compared with Ensenada.
Fin Beven
Cal-40 #24
Radiant
San Pedro, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: David Wilkie Owen<mailto:dw… [at] me.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
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On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
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General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
RE: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?(Sabine)
Rick Lobb2011-04-29 16:19 UTC
Yes, but everyone loves us Bellinghamsters. ;-)
Rick Lobb
Cal 2-29 “Rebecca Shea”
Bellingham, WA
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabine Faulhaber
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:56 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
I don't have any prior experience to compare it to - last year was my first "little Ensenada" (San Diego to Ensenada) and it seemed to the casual observer that at least when you go as far south as Ensenada, us "gringos" are still welcome. This year I got recruited to be part of the team that organizes the race from the San Diego side - will report back with more impressions in the fall.
Have not been able to be on the N2E - but it seems that what use to be "the race" on the West Coast is slowly fading, what a shame.
Seems to me Ensenada is still heavily dependent on tourism, so that may be a contributing factor to the friendly reception. That said, even though I live a measly 9 miles from the border I have not been to Tijuana, and will probably avoid it for some time.
That said, I met a sailor from Bellingham that cruised Mexico for the last 6 months on an Ericson 27 and had mostly good experiences - check out his blog for some first hand impressions
http://cdlloyd.blogspot.com/
Sabine
s/v "Estrella", Cal 3-30 (finally all mine)
formerly Santa Barbara, Ca, now San Diego, Ca (boat soon Ventura, Ca)
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From: Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 28 April, 2011 10:06:37
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
I meant the Reynolds 33.
Sorry for Type Os
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
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On Apr 28, 2011 9:49, Randall Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
I focused on the short answer. The long answer deals with the politics of the Border Run which is a shame it came to be in the 1st place.
I only have my cell phone to type but what ahppened is Russel Catamarans was not allowed to race in the N2E because they had flipped a few. So he started a race in competition on the N2E. This year 225 baots raced in the Border Run. Most did it so they did not have to go to Mexico and others did it cause they didn't need a PHRF Cert. However their was a lot of multihulls that would never race the N2E cause of size restricitions. You could race a Lazer and Paddle board in this race.
I hope SCYC wakes up and seperates these weekends by 6 mos. The Border Run is not going away.
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
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On Apr 28, 2011 9:33, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] me.com> wrote:
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
_____
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charli e… [at] bah.com <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> > wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randy Alcorn2011-04-29 16:51 UTC
You use to walk out of the Bahia and all you could see was racers and locals up
and down the street. Everyone was partying and seeing old friends.
Now you can see from one end of town to the other.
The locals loved us, they were hanging out of the last of the shops, saying,
"welcome racers", they were glad we were there. But the town was a ghost town.
Lots of the shops were closed or out of buisness.
I ran into a guy I knew who just moved down there from Ventura. He was telling
us, that the media has killed the town. Yes there are problems in Tijuana, if
you are looking for drugs, you take your life into your onw hands. But Ensenada
has not got the drug reputation Tijuana has.
I came back on the bus with John from the CAL 29, Yo Ho, I asked him why he
didn't race this year, he just couldn't pull things together in time and it was
easier to race on someone elses boat his year. We vowed to race our boats next
year.
Randy
From: Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 10:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
I don't have any prior experience to compare it to - last year was my first
"little Ensenada" (San Diego to Ensenada) and it seemed to the casual observer
that at least when you go as far south as Ensenada, us "gringos" are still
welcome. This year I got recruited to be part of the team that organizes the
race from the San Diego side - will report back with more impressions in the
fall.
Have not been able to be on the N2E - but it seems that what use to be "the
race" on the West Coast is slowly fading, what a shame.
Seems to me Ensenada is still heavily dependent on tourism, so that may be a
contributing factor to the friendly reception. That said, even though I live a
measly 9 miles from the border I have not been to Tijuana, and will probably
avoid it for some time.
That said, I met a sailor from Bellingham that cruised Mexico for the last 6
months on an Ericson 27 and had mostly good experiences - check out his blog for
some first hand impressions
http://cdlloyd.blogspot.com/
Sabine
s/v "Estrella", Cal 3-30 (finally all mine)
formerly Santa Barbara, Ca, now San Diego, Ca (boat soon Ventura, Ca)
RE: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Husar, Charlie [USA]2011-04-30 00:13 UTC
Fin, how goes? I once did a race called "The Great One Night Stand" (or something like that) on a Choate 40. Newport to San Diego, as I recall. Is this an extension of that event?
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:17 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
We had 5 Cal-40s entered in the Boarder Run (Newport to San Diego), which I've found to be a much better race and destination compared with Ensenada.
Fin Beven
Cal-40 #24
Radiant
San Pedro, CA
From: David Wilkie Owen<mailto:dw… [at] me.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mexico?
Randy,
I haven't done the Newport to Ensenada in several years, but not because of any concerns. Last year, I was told about a new "alternative" race, from Newport to San Diego. Do you know if that came off?
Wilkie
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Randall Alcorn wrote:
The short answer is yes. I just finished the Newport to Ensenada race. We are down from 350-500 boats to 175. The town is deserted and most of the little bars and restaurants we liked to frequent are gone. We porbably only had 4 yacht clubs that had hospitality suites this year and they were not open to evryone as in the past. Anacapa Yacht Club entertained many racers cause their clubs didn't show up this year.
Randy
Cal 2-29
Out Patient
Commodore AYC
-- Sent from my Palm Pixi
On Apr 28, 2011 9:13, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote:
Hi, All. I got the statement below from a travel report. For our Southern West Coaster, has this been affecting the races to Mexico?
----------------------------------------------------------
General Conditions
Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat transnational criminal organizations (TCOs). The TCOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. According to Government of Mexico figures, 34,612 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence in Mexico since December 2006. More than 15,000 narcotics-related homicides occurred in 2010, an increase of almost two-thirds compared to 2009. Most of those killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006 have been members of TCOs. However, innocent persons have also been killed as have Mexican law enforcement and military personnel.
There is no evidence that U.S. tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship. Nonetheless, while in Mexico you should be aware of your surroundings at all times and exercise particular caution in unfamiliar areas. Bystanders, including U.S. citizens, have been injured or killed in violent incidents in various parts of the country, especially, but not exclusively in the northern border region, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence throughout Mexico. TCOs, meanwhile, engage in a wide-range of criminal activities that can directly impact U.S. citizens, including kidnapping, armed car-jacking, and extortion that can directly impact U.S. citizens. The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 111 in 2010.