Re: [Cal_Boats] Diesel Conversion

Yeah Chris a friend of mine has a Mirage 33 designed by Bob Perry and via email has become good friends with him and was even invited to his son's wedding before he died. Anyway once the drawings leave His hands he basically has no control over the construction of the boat. Bob said that a number of things on the Mirage were changed by the builder for various reasons so its reasonable to expect that your boat is different than the drawings. Paul chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >Greets: > >A question. The existing A-4 on my 2-29 sits at approx 15 degrees >according to the manual, the maximum allowed for the engine. Now when >you look at diesels, Yanmar, Beta Marine etc, the all say no more then >8 degree off the horizontal to reduce wear and what not. But how do >you get there as the shaft comes off the strut at approx 15 degrees >according to the drawings angle.? So does it really make a difference. >Would like to hear from others who have done the conversion on how >they dealt with this issues. > >Caveat: I'm working off full scale drawings not the boat. So there may >be differences. > >Best regards > >-- >/ch

Thanks Paul. Its interesting, if you look at the drawings of the 2-29 (now in the group photo section) the engine bed is completely different then what is found in my boat, or the detailed explanation provided by Wilkie. So depending on the engine option, A-4 or diesel, at the time of order, the builders chose not to follow the drawings, other then for the 3-29 A-4 option (this has an integrated pan, so its all very nice and clean, with overflow flowing directly to the bildge) Makes for a very clean engine room provided you dont have an external bearing leak that spews oil all over the place..:) /ch On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > Yeah Chris a friend of mine has a Mirage 33 designed by Bob Perry and via email has become good friends with him and was even invited to his son's wedding before he died. > Anyway once the drawings leave His hands he basically has no control over the construction of the boat. Bob said that a number of things on the Mirage were changed by the builder for various reasons so its reasonable to expect that your boat is different than the drawings. > Paul > > chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >>Greets: >> >>A question. The existing A-4 on my 2-29 sits at approx 15 degrees >>according to the manual, the maximum allowed for the engine. Now when >>you look at diesels, Yanmar, Beta Marine etc, the all say no more then >>8 degree off the horizontal to reduce wear and what not. But how do >>you get there as the shaft comes off the strut at approx 15 degrees >>according to the drawings angle.? So does it really make a difference. >>Would like to hear from others who have done the conversion on how >>they dealt with this issues. >> >>Caveat: I'm working off full scale drawings not the boat. So there may >>be differences. >> >>Best regards >> >>-- >>/ch > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- /ch

The 8 degree value for the max angle is incorrect for the Beta. The manual says it can be installed up to 15 degrees (pitch) and will run up to 25 degrees (roll). Frans From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 8:52:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Diesel Conversion Thanks Paul. Its interesting, if you look at the drawings of the 2-29 (now in the group photo section) the engine bed is completely different then what is found in my boat, or the detailed explanation provided by Wilkie. So depending on the engine option, A-4 or diesel, at the time of order, the builders chose not to follow the drawings, other then for the 3-29 A-4 option (this has an integrated pan, so its all very nice and clean, with overflow flowing directly to the bildge) Makes for a very clean engine room provided you dont have an external bearing leak that spews oil all over the place..:) /ch On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > Yeah Chris a friend of mine has a Mirage 33 designed by Bob Perry and via email >has become good friends with him and was even invited to his son's wedding >before he died. > Anyway once the drawings leave His hands he basically has no control over the >construction of the boat. Bob said that a number of things on the Mirage were >changed by the builder for various reasons so its reasonable to expect that your >boat is different than the drawings. > Paul > > chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >>Greets: >> >>A question. The existing A-4 on my 2-29 sits at approx 15 degrees >>according to the manual, the maximum allowed for the engine. Now when >>you look at diesels, Yanmar, Beta Marine etc, the all say no more then >>8 degree off the horizontal to reduce wear and what not. But how do >>you get there as the shaft comes off the strut at approx 15 degrees >>according to the drawings angle.? So does it really make a difference. >>Would like to hear from others who have done the conversion on how >>they dealt with this issues. >> >>Caveat: I'm working off full scale drawings not the boat. So there may >>be differences. >> >>Best regards >> >>-- >>/ch > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- /ch

Ya I got wrong too. Looking at the Yanmar manual again it reads 8 optimal 13 max. /ch

This might help. http://l-36.com/read_pdf.php?file=Beta1640&title=Beta_BD1005_BV1305_BV105_Manual <http://l-36.com/read_pdf.php?file=Beta1640&title=Beta_BD1005_BV1305_BV105_Manual>A quick look at the install instructions didn't show a number I could find but the picture of the typical install looks more like 30 degrees. Allen On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Frans Sell <fr… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > The 8 degree value for the max angle is incorrect for the Beta. > > The manual says it can be installed up to 15 degrees (pitch) and will run > up to 25 degrees (roll). > > Frans > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sat, May 14, 2011 8:52:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Diesel Conversion > > > > Thanks Paul. > > Its interesting, if you look at the drawings of the 2-29 (now in the > group photo section) the engine bed is completely different then what > is found in my boat, or the detailed explanation provided by Wilkie. > So depending on the engine option, A-4 or diesel, at the time of > order, the builders chose not to follow the drawings, other then for > the 3-29 A-4 option (this has an integrated pan, so its all very nice > and clean, with overflow flowing directly to the bildge) Makes for a > very clean engine room provided you dont have an external bearing leak > that spews oil all over the place..:) > > /ch > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > Yeah Chris a friend of mine has a Mirage 33 designed by Bob Perry and via > email has become good friends with him and was even invited to his son's > wedding before he died. > > Anyway once the drawings leave His hands he basically has no control over > the construction of the boat. Bob said that a number of things on the Mirage > were changed by the builder for various reasons so its reasonable to expect > that your boat is different than the drawings. > > Paul > > > > chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>Greets: > >> > >>A question. The existing A-4 on my 2-29 sits at approx 15 degrees > >>according to the manual, the maximum allowed for the engine. Now when > >>you look at diesels, Yanmar, Beta Marine etc, the all say no more then > >>8 degree off the horizontal to reduce wear and what not. But how do > >>you get there as the shaft comes off the strut at approx 15 degrees > >>according to the drawings angle.? So does it really make a difference. > >>Would like to hear from others who have done the conversion on how > >>they dealt with this issues. > >> > >>Caveat: I'm working off full scale drawings not the boat. So there may > >>be differences. > >> > >>Best regards > >> > >>-- > >>/ch > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > /ch > > >

Chris, James here. Off topic....can you email me a copy of the 2-19 schematic you have posted in the photo section? I'm Cad'ing up new drawings which I'll be happy to post and I'm looking for sharp originals to use as a base. James, SV Thalia, Juneau --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, chris123 <chris.herrnberger@...> wrote: > > Ya I got wrong too. Looking at the Yanmar manual again it reads 8 optimal 13 > max. > > /ch >

My set is available on line. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B5RAU5vfTL5JODIzODEwNjAtODA3ZC00NGFjLTk2YzMtZjY1OTEyN2RkNzAz&hl=en They are an original set, signed and standard eng size converted to pdf. Its a long download but feel free to grab them. /ch On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:08 PM, James <ja… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Chris, James here. Off topic....can you email me a copy of the 2-19 schematic you have posted in the photo section? I'm Cad'ing up new drawings which I'll be happy to post and I'm looking for sharp originals to use as a base. > > James, SV Thalia, Juneau > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, chris123 <chris.herrnberger@...> wrote: >> >> Ya I got wrong too. Looking at the Yanmar manual again it reads 8 optimal 13 >> max. >> >> /ch >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- /ch