Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30

Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

Cal 2-30 Weight: 10,300 Draft 5'0" Beam 9'0' Cal 29 Weight: 8,000 Draft 4'6" Beam 9'3" (yes it is 3" wider than a 2-30) Other than that I think there are two different layout for the 29, but not familiar with them as we have a Cal 2-30. The 2-30 has a little bit of a reputation of being built rather stoutly. I also think that the bow went a little deeper on a 2-30? The brochure touts a "new deeper bow" for better weather helm. But the Cal 29 came out a year later (1970) & may have had that incorporated in it's design too. If you are in the SF Bay area, (she is in Brisbane) you are welcome to come poke around Honu & take a look. She is pretty standard except the POs but a longer beefier boom on her for more sail area and she had the binnacle taken out & a tiller put in. Both of which work well. Cheers - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:00 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

George, I'll contact you off list. My Cal 9.2 "Jade" is for sale (check out Yachtworld). We got a Tripp 36 from Chicago this winter. Regards, Nick Geisz From: "George" <ge… [at] hotmail.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:59:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

The interiors are pretty much the same, with a starboard galley and 2 quarter berths. More space in the 2-30. The mast on the 29 is a masthead rig, the 30 is 7/8 I think. The transum of the 29 looks like it was cut off flush to stay under 30 ft. Probably to escape the luxurary tax back then. But the 2-30 has a reverse transum. Pretty nice looking. The 2-30 was a big winner in our area. Wes Golemans El Tigre' was hard to beat. Randy Out Patient Cal 2-29 -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On May 25, 2011 7:21, Crouch, Dyer &lt;dx… [at] pge.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; Cal 2-30 Weight: 10,300 Draft 5'0" Beam 9'0' Cal 29&nbsp; Weight: 8,000&nbsp;&nbsp; Draft 4'6"&nbsp; Beam 9'3" (yes it is 3" wider than a 2-30) &nbsp; Other than that I think there are two different layout for the 29, but not familiar with them as we have a Cal 2-30. The 2-30 has a little bit of a reputation of being built rather stoutly. &nbsp; I also think that the bow went a little deeper on a 2-30? The brochure touts a "new deeper bow" for better weather helm. But the Cal 29 came out a year later (1970) &amp; may have had that incorporated in it's design too. &nbsp; If you are in the SF Bay area, (she is in Brisbane) you are welcome to come poke around Honu &amp; take a look. She is pretty standard except the POs but a longer beefier boom on her for more sail area and she had the binnacle taken out &amp; a tiller put in. Both of which work well. &nbsp; Cheers - &nbsp;Dyer &nbsp; From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:00 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 &nbsp; Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

George, If you decide you are interested in the 29, My '77 2-29 is for sale. She has served my family of 4 very well for 10 years. We are now a family of 3 and soon to be a family of 2 and looking at downsizing. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, WA From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:00 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

Yes, this is correct, the 2-30 has a fractional rig. Cheers - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randall Alcorn Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:23 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 The interiors are pretty much the same, with a starboard galley and 2 quarter berths. More space in the 2-30. The mast on the 29 is a masthead rig, the 30 is 7/8 I think. The transum of the 29 looks like it was cut off flush to stay under 30 ft. Probably to escape the luxurary tax back then. But the 2-30 has a reverse transum. Pretty nice looking. The 2-30 was a big winner in our area. Wes Golemans El Tigre' was hard to beat. Randy Out Patient Cal 2-29 -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On May 25, 2011 7:21, Crouch, Dyer <dx… [at] pge.com> wrote: Cal 2-30 Weight: 10,300 Draft 5'0" Beam 9'0' Cal 29 Weight: 8,000 Draft 4'6" Beam 9'3" (yes it is 3" wider than a 2-30) Other than that I think there are two different layout for the 29, but not familiar with them as we have a Cal 2-30. The 2-30 has a little bit of a reputation of being built rather stoutly. I also think that the bow went a little deeper on a 2-30? The brochure touts a "new deeper bow" for better weather helm. But the Cal 29 came out a year later (1970) & may have had that incorporated in it's design too. If you are in the SF Bay area, (she is in Brisbane) you are welcome to come poke around Honu & take a look. She is pretty standard except the POs but a longer beefier boom on her for more sail area and she had the binnacle taken out & a tiller put in. Both of which work well. Cheers - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:00 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

Randy, I think the butt cuts and boat sizing had to do with satisfying the MORC (Midget Ocean Racing Class) rule under IOR (both ratings long dead). MORCs had to be under 30 feet. The reverse transom and backstay arrangement on the 2-30 (Backstay attached at the base of the transom), as well as the frac rig (I've heard it called 15/16), are things I have always wondered about. Design considerations, that is. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randall Alcorn Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:23 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 The interiors are pretty much the same, with a starboard galley and 2 quarter berths. More space in the 2-30. The mast on the 29 is a masthead rig, the 30 is 7/8 I think. The transum of the 29 looks like it was cut off flush to stay under 30 ft. Probably to escape the luxurary tax back then. But the 2-30 has a reverse transum. Pretty nice looking. The 2-30 was a big winner in our area. Wes Golemans El Tigre' was hard to beat. Randy Out Patient Cal 2-29

Rick, buy George's CAL 25. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lobb Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 (George) George, If you decide you are interested in the 29, My '77 2-29 is for sale. She has served my family of 4 very well for 10 years. We are now a family of 3 and soon to be a family of 2 and looking at downsizing. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, WA From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:00 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

Nick, What was the name of the Tripp36 from Chicago? Thx, Dave D. --- On Wed, 5/25/11, ng… [at] comcast.net <ng… [at] comcast.net> wrote: From: ng… [at] comcast.net <ng… [at] comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 10:10 AM George, I'll contact you off list. My Cal 9.2 "Jade" is for sale (check out Yachtworld). We got a Tripp 36 from Chicago this winter. Regards, Nick Geisz From: "George" <ge… [at] hotmail.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:59:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

Name was LA Woman, we have named her "Affirmed" after the last race horse to win the 'triple crown' back in 1978, when my son was born. Thanks for asking, Nick From: "david dobbs" <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:30:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Nick, What was the name of the Tripp36 from Chicago? Thx, Dave D. --- On Wed, 5/25/11, ng… [at] comcast.net <ng… [at] comcast.net> wrote: From: ng… [at] comcast.net <ng… [at] comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 10:10 AM George, I'll contact you off list. My Cal 9.2 "Jade" is for sale (check out Yachtworld). We got a Tripp 36 from Chicago this winter. Regards, Nick Geisz From: "George" <ge… [at] hotmail.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:59:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 Can anyone comment as to the differences of these two boats? There are plenty of both around in similar price ranges. Im looking to move up from a 25 to something bigger for the family (of 5). Sailing characteristics? Handling? is there a difference in Roominess?

While the majority of Cal 2-30s came with the fractional rig, there was an option for a masthead rig, as well. When I was having TRES GORDO surveyed, I was curious about a few modifications that had been made to her rig, including a mast that was 3 feet higher than stock & is a masthead rig. Obviously, planning to take her to Asia, I was much concerned with the change. Bill Forsythe, the broker, had worked for Jensen Marine "back in the day" and gave us - seller, surveyor, buyer - quite a history lesson on the Cals. I only wish that I'd written a few of his stories down. But when I commented on the preference for my old 3-30's masthead rig, he did mention the option on the 2-30 & the seller said that his had had the option, prior to the mast change. Personally, I am not at all fond of the 2-30's backstay mount, which is in the way of the addition of my Aries windvane, and for those who wish to add other items, is in the way of the addition of a swim-platform, dinghy davit mounts, etc., and is vulnerable to impact. Once in Asia, I intend to modify this issue, but have enough other things to do in my preparations for my trip, for now. Mike --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Randy, I think the butt cuts and boat sizing had to do with satisfying the MORC (Midget Ocean Racing Class) rule under IOR (both ratings long dead). MORCs had to be under 30 feet. The reverse transom and backstay arrangement on the 2-30 (Backstay attached at the base of the transom), as well as the frac rig (I've heard it called 15/16), are things I have always wondered about. Design considerations, that is. > > Cheers > Charlie > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randall Alcorn > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:23 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 vs Cal 2-30 > > The interiors are pretty much the same, with a starboard galley and 2 quarter berths. More space in the 2-30. > > The mast on the 29 is a masthead rig, the 30 is 7/8 I think. > > The transum of the 29 looks like it was cut off flush to stay under 30 ft. Probably to escape the luxurary tax back then. But the 2-30 has a reverse transum. Pretty nice looking. > > The 2-30 was a big winner in our area. Wes Golemans El Tigre' was hard to beat. > > Randy > Out Patient > Cal 2-29 >