3 messages2011-06-03 16:24 UTCthrough 2011-06-03 21:08 UTC
RE: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Paul)
Mike2011-06-03 16:24 UTC
Paul,
You must have not been too close;-) the head sail gave us a bit of a problem pointing. We were up in the air between the heavy #1 which is really blown out and a new #2. There was too much wind for the light #1 so we went with old 1 and that proved to be a poor choice.
I think we finished 9th after the correction but not positive. I had never sailed on that boat before so I didn't pay too much attention to rating issues.
I am planning on doing eyc solomons overnight as well as screwpile but will be on a olson 30 (with sails to be envious over) for those races. I must be a glutton for punishment to plan to spend all of that time aboard such a small, tender, and gutted out boat. We will see in time!
Since buying my Cal 3 years ago, I have made many frienfs who race, all but alleviating the need to race mine which is how I perfer it!
I will keep my eyes open for you in Solomons! I would love to put some faces with the emails that I read day in and day out!
Mike
From: pw… [at] aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:05 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Mike)
Mike -
Yeah we were watching you guys too and lusting over those sails ;-). We have a 2 year old main but our genny is who knows how old and is getting a pretty good belly on it.
Thanks for your sympathy but as they say, a bad day out on the water is better than a good day at work so I don't want anyone to think I'm complaining, just voicing the efforts it takes to get the job done LOL.
We were short handed with only 4 on board which didn't help. The guy from Vermont had not sailed in 2 years + and had only been on this boat a few times. The other guy is a small boat sailor and had not flown spinnaker much at all and never on a boat this size. My wife had to do the trimming and on a 1,000sf chute all she could do was ease and had to call for grinds.
My wife was doing foredeck which she is well trained well for but had not done it on this boat nor had done it in 3 years or so as she is usually barking orders from the pit. The spinnaker bag did not have strings sewn inside of it to tie the clews to and so they tied them together but loose inside the bag and as I understand it, they got twisted inside the bag and when we did the set we got the hourglass. I have some blame in that as well as I was watching everyone trying to set their chutes on a beam reach and wiping out so I was not willing to fly the chute right away but once we rounded that middle mark and went further downwind I gave the go ahead but we had lost a lot of time by the time we got everything set up.
We still had a great time though. Where did you guys finish? Did they get your rating right? We are 123 and they had us at 128 and the boat Relentless who should've been 114 was rated at 128 too. WTF is up with those guys? We did the race 2 years ago and they did the same thing with our rating. We sent them an email to correct it and they never did. Oh well . . .
We hope to do the Solomons and Gov Cup races so hopefully we'll see you out there again.
Paul West
Adventure Kwest
'80 Cal 39
In a message dated 6/3/2011 7:13:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mk… [at] yahoo.com writes:
Paul,
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes getting to the race.
I was crewing aboard a j29 "Gabrielle" and we were right in front of you for a good portion of the race around Bloody Point and up the Eastern Bay. I remember looking back and thinking how much more comfort you all must have been racing in. Everything looked smooth and graceful (except maybe the set) from our distance. If anyone had only known what you went through getting there!
Mike
Sails Call
1988 28-2
From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 11:33:08 PM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .
This past weekend we did the Annapolis to Miles River Race on the Chesapeake which is a 20.9 mile race down the Chesapeake Bay, up the Eastern Bay and back down the Miles River. With sunny skies, puffy white clouds, temps in the mid 70's and winds 10-18 out of the south it couldn't have been more perfect.
Getting to the race ?? Well, that's another story. I had been working on getting the boat ready for 10 to 12 hours a day most of that week with re-gel coating the companionway cover, varnishing handrails etc etc. The Thursday before the 6hr delivery on Friday I got all of 2 hours of sleep. The Friday we were to leave we had set 7pm as a goal, hoping to get out earlier. Well, my wife made a pit stop at home before coming to the boat and left the truck running and accidentally had locked the doors when getting out but left the door open Well, my almost 3 yr old shut the door for her and locked the keys in the truck with it running. Fortunately, he was not in it and did so from outside. Well this set in motion a series of delays and we didn't get out of the slip until 11pm.
In my fog, I was thinking that the red can 1/4 mile away was a lit mark and I headed for it. It was not a lit mark and what I was headed for was the red sector of Hambrooks Bar light house! 10 min out of the marina we ran aground hard LOL. Not a good way to start a trip. Thank goodness for the Chesapeake mud. We got off in a couple of minutes and I gave up the wheel to take a nap. We headed for Knapps Narrows which is basically a canal cut thru the Tilghman Island peninsula and is a short cut to Annapolis. We figured we'd tie up there for a couple of hours and get some shut eye and head out at the break of day.
Well, 2 hours later we were up and headed out and ugh!! Aground again! Well maybe the channel shifted more to the right . . . ugh! Aground again! Screw it, we're going around I said and we went back under the drawbridge and around Tilghman Island. On the way my wife did a route to the start line and determined we were going to be an hour late for the start! I could'nt believe that was right so we kept on motoring, discussing what we thought we might do instead of race. When we got around the point, the eta changed and told us we'd be there 15 min before our start! Our spirits lifted considerably seeing as how one of our crew members was a guy who used to sail with us before moving to Vermont. He had driven down just for this race.
We did get to the check in boat 12 min before our start and went directly to the starting line and had a pretty good start. We were a little early and leeward to a lot of boats but were right on the line when the gun went off 14 boats in our PHRF B class was the largest class and we all finished within 20 min of each other. We didn't do well as we had an hour glass spinnaker set that took forever to get back down and re-set.
How did you do Charlie? They had our ratings all screwed up so the results I saw are bogus. I looked for you a couple of times but we didn't hang at the Yacht Club as we had to go get my son in Easton and bring him back to the boat for the trip home.
Paul West
Adventure Kwest
'80 Cal 39
Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Paul)
pw… [at] aol.com2011-06-03 16:32 UTC
Mike -
Maybe I'm confused. Is Gabrielle dark blue with mylar/kevlar sails?
We wont be doing Screwpile as they rarely have wind and a 19,000 lb Cal
NEEDS wind in a big way although she does much better than I ever expected in
light air.
A buddy of mine used to have an Olson 30 "Gusto" and did pretty well with
it. I think he actually did a Gov Cup in it. Talk about a glutton for
punishment. I drove it for a minute or two in a Hospice Cup race but don't
remember much. Going from wheel to tiller is always intimidating for the
first few minutes then it becomes 2nd nature again.
If you ever want to race on a big heavy boat, let me know as we are always
looking for good crew.
Paul
In a message dated 6/3/2011 12:24:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mk… [at] yahoo.com writes:
Paul,
You must have not been too close;-) the head sail gave us a bit of a
problem pointing. We were up in the air between the heavy #1 which is really
blown out and a new #2. There was too much wind for the light #1 so we went
with old 1 and that proved to be a poor choice.
I think we finished 9th after the correction but not positive. I had never
sailed on that boat before so I didn't pay too much attention to rating
issues.
I am planning on doing eyc solomons overnight as well as screwpile but
will be on a olson 30 (with sails to be envious over) for those races. I must
be a glutton for punishment to plan to spend all of that time aboard such a
small, tender, and gutted out boat. We will see in time!
Since buying my Cal 3 years ago, I have made many frienfs who race, all
but alleviating the need to race mine which is how I perfer it!
I will keep my eyes open fo r you in Solomons! I would love to put some
faces with the emails that I read day in and day out!
Mike
From: pw… [at] aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:05 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Mike)
Mike -
Yeah we were watching you guys too and lusting over those sails ;-). We
have a 2 year old main but our genny is who knows how old and is getting a
pretty good belly on it.
Thanks for your sympathy but as they say, a bad day out on the water is
better than a good day at work so I don't want anyone to think I'm
complaining, just voicing the efforts it takes to get the job done LOL.
We were short handed with only 4 on board which didn't help. The guy from
Vermont had not sailed in 2 years + and had only been on this boat a few
times. The other guy is a small boat sailor and had not flown spinnaker much
at all and never on a boat this size. My wife had to do the trimming and
on a 1,000sf chute all she could do was ease and had to call for grinds.
My wife was doing foredeck which she is well& nbsp;trained well for but
had not done it on this boat nor had done it in 3 years or so as she is
usually barking orders from the pit. The spinnaker bag did not have strings
sewn inside of it to tie the clews to and so they tied them together but loose
inside the bag and as I understand it, they got twisted inside the bag and
when we did the set we got the hourglass. I have some blame in that as
well as I was watching everyone trying to set their chutes on a beam reach
and wiping out so I was not willing to fly the chute right away but once we
rounded that middle mark and went further downwind I gave the go ahead but
we had lost a lot of time by the time we got everything set up.
We still had a great time though. Where did you guys finish? Did they
get your rating right? We are 123 and they had us at 128 and the boat
Relentless who should've been 114 was rated at 128 too. WTF is up with those
guys?&nbs p; We did the race 2 years ago and they did the same thing with our
rating. We sent them an email to correct it and they never did. Oh well .
. .
We hope to do the Solomons and Gov Cup races so hopefully we'll see you
out there again.
Paul West
Adventure Kwest
'80 Cal 39
In a message dated 6/3/2011 7:13:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mk… [at] yahoo.com writes:
Paul,
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes getting to the race.
I was crewing aboard a j29 "Gabrielle" and we were right in front of you
for a good portion of the race around Bloody Point a nd up the Eastern Bay.
I remember looking back and thinking how much more comfort you all must
have been racing in. Everything looked smooth and graceful (except maybe
the set) from our distance. If anyone had only known what you went through
getting there!
Mike
Sails Call
1988 28-2
From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 11:33:08 PM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . .
This past weekend we did the Annapolis to Miles River Race on the
Chesapeake which is a 20.9 mile race down the Chesapeake Bay, up the Eastern Bay
and back down the Miles River. With sunny skies, puffy white clouds, temps
in the mid 70's and winds 10-18 out of the south it couldn't have been more
perfect.
Getting to the race ?? Well, that's another story. I had been working on
getting the boat ready for 10 to 12 hours a day most of that week with
re-gel coating the companionway cover, varnishing handrails etc etc. The
Thursday before the 6hr delivery on Friday I got all of 2 hours of sleep. The
Friday we were to leave we had set 7pm as a goal, hoping to get out
earlier. Well, my wife made a pit stop at home before coming to the boat and left
the truck running and accidentally had locked the doors when getting out
but left the doo r open. Well, my almost 3 yr old shut the door for her and
locked the keys in the truck with it running. Fortunately, he was not in
it and did so from outside. Well this set in motion a series of delays
and we didn't get out of the slip until 11pm.
In my fog, I was thinking that the red can 1/4 mile away was a lit mark
and I headed for it. It was not a lit mark and what I was headed for was the
red sector of Hambrooks Bar light house! 10 min out of the marina we ran
aground hard LOL. Not a good way to start a trip. Thank goodness for the
Chesapeake mud. We got off in a couple of minutes and I gave up the wheel
to take a nap. We headed for Knapps Narrows which is basically a canal cut
thru the Tilghman Island peninsula and is a short cut to Annapolis. We
figured we'd tie up there for a couple of hours and get some shut eye and head
out at the break of day.
Well, 2 hours later we were up and headed out and ugh!! Aground again!
Well maybe the channel shifted more to the right . . . ugh! Aground again!
Screw it, we're going around I said and we went back under the drawbridge
and around Tilghman Island. On the way my wife did a route to the start
line and determined we were going to be an hour late for the start! I
could'nt believe that was right so we kept on motoring, discussing what we
thought we might do instead of race. When we got around the point, the eta
changed and told us we'd be there 15 min before our start! Our spirits
lifted considerably seeing as how one of our crew members was a guy who used to
sail with us before moving to Vermont. He had driven down just for this
race.
We did get to the check in boat 12 min before our start and went directly
to the starting line and had a pretty g ood start. We were a little early
and leeward to a lot of boats but were right on the line when the gun went
off. 14 boats in our PHRF B class was the largest class and we all finished
within 20 min of each other. We didn't do well as we had an hour glass
spinnaker set that took forever to get back down and re-set.
How did you do Charlie? They had our ratings all screwed up so the
results I saw are bogus. I looked for you a couple of times but we didn't hang
at the Yacht Club as we had to go get my son in Easton and bring him back to
the boat for the trip home.
Paul West
Adventure Kwest
'80 Cal 39
Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Paul)
Michael Hofstetter2011-06-03 21:08 UTC
Paul-
You are not confused at all. Gabrielle is dark blue and does have mylar/kevlar
sails....you just may not have been close enough to see the super-duper deep
draft in the (carbon?) headsail. We couldn't do anything to get this funny curl
out of the leach. That particular sail had just seen a few too many races and
was quite stretched.
Funny that you mention Gusto. She is now owned by a guy named Jon and we
compete against her every tuesday in the BCYA races. I crew on the other Olson
30 in the fleet "Monkey Business." We both ended up being the scratch boats in
the BCYA "b" fleet as a result of a last minute spilt change that changed the
status of only these two boats.
I would LOVE to race on a big boat as needed/available. I have been sailing
since I was 4 weeks old (as I am told) but never raced at all until last
season. Since, I have fallen in love with it but only have experience on
smaller boats. My fiancee is starting to love sailing but still not sold on the
heeling part so her interest in racing and and especially small boats is
limited.
Where do you keep Adventure Kwest?
Mike
From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:32:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Paul)
Mike -
Maybe I'm confused. Is Gabrielle dark blue with mylar/kevlar sails?
We wont be doing Screwpile as they rarely have wind and a 19,000 lb Cal NEEDS
wind in a big way although she does much better than I ever expected in light
air.
A buddy of mine used to have an Olson 30 "Gusto" and did pretty well with it.
I think he actually did a Gov Cup in it. Talk about a glutton for punishment.
I drove it for a minute or two in a Hospice Cup race but don't remember much.
Going from wheel to tiller is always intimidating for the first few minutes
then it becomes 2nd nature again.
If you ever want to race on a big heavy boat, let me know as we are always
looking for good crew.
Paul
In a message dated 6/3/2011 12:24:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mk… [at] yahoo.com writes:
>Paul,
>
>You must have not been too close;-) the head sail gave us a bit of a problem
>pointing. We were up in the air between the heavy #1 which is really blown out
>and a new #2. There was too much wind for the light #1 so we went with old 1
>and that proved to be a poor choice.
>
>
>I think we finished 9th after the correction but not positive. I had never
>sailed on that boat before so I didn't pay too much attention to rating
>issues.
>
>I am planning on doing eyc solomons overnight as well as screwpile but will
>be on a olson 30 (with sails to be envious over) for those races. I must be a
>glutton for punishment to plan to spend all of that time aboard such a small,
>tender, and gutted out boat. We will see in time!
>
>Since buying my Cal 3 years ago, I have made many frienfs who race, all but
>alleviating the need to race mine which is how I perfer it!
>
>I will keep my eyes open fo r you in Solomons! I would love to put some faces
>with the emails that I read day in and day out!
>
>Mike
>
>
From: pw… [at] aol.com
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:05 AM
>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . . .(Mike)
>
>
>Mike -
>
>Yeah we were watching you guys too and lusting over those sails ;-). We have
>a 2 year old main but our genny is who knows how old and is getting a pretty
>good belly on it.
>
>Thanks for your sympathy but as they say, a bad day out on the water is
>better than a good day at work so I don't want anyone to think I'm
>complaining, just voicing the efforts it takes to get the job done LOL.
>
>We were short handed with only 4 on board which didn't help. The guy from
>Vermont had not sailed in 2 years + and had only been on this boat a few
>times. The other guy is a small boat sailor and had not flown spinnaker much
>at all and never on a boat this size. My wife had to do the trimming and on
>a 1,000sf chute all she could do was ease and had to call for grinds.
>
>My wife was doing foredeck which she is well& nbsp;trained well for but had
>not done it on this boat nor had done it in 3 years or so as she is usually
>barking orders from the pit. The spinnaker bag did not have strings sewn
>inside of it to tie the clews to and so they tied them together but loose
>inside the bag and as I understand it, they got twisted inside the bag and
>when we did the set we got the hourglass. I have some blame in that as well
>as I was watching everyone trying to set their chutes on a beam reach and
>wiping out so I was not willing to fly the chute right away but once we
>rounded that middle mark and went further downwind I gave the go ahead but we
>had lost a lot of time by the time we got everything set up.
>
>We still had a great time though. Where did you guys finish? Did they get
>your rating right? We are 123 and they had us at 128 and the boat Relentless
>who should've been 114 was rated at 128 too. WTF is up with those guys?&nbs
>p; We did the race 2 years ago and they did the same thing with our rating.
>We sent them an email to correct it and they never did. Oh well . . .
>
>We hope to do the Solomons and Gov Cup races so hopefully we'll see you out
>there again.
>
>Paul West
>Adventure Kwest
>'80 Cal 39
>
>
>
>In a message dated 6/3/2011 7:13:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>mk… [at] yahoo.com writes:
>
>>Paul,
>>
>>Sorry to hear of your misfortunes getting to the race.
>>
>>I was crewing aboard a j29 "Gabrielle" and we were right in front of you
>>for a good portion of the race around Bloody Point a nd up the Eastern
>>Bay. I remember looking back and thinking how much more comfort you all
>>must have been racing in. Everything looked smooth and graceful (except
>>maybe the set) from our distance. If anyone had only known what you went
>>through getting there!
>>
>>Mike
>>Sails Call
>>1988 28-2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com>
>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 11:33:08 PM
>>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Racing is the easy part . .
>>
>> [Unable to display image]
>>This past weekend we did the Annapolis to Miles River Race on the
>>Chesapeake which is a 20.9 mile race down the Chesapeake Bay, up the Eastern
>>Bay and back down the Miles River. With sunny skies, puffy white clouds,
>>temps in the mid 70's and winds 10-18 out of the south it couldn't have
>>been more perfect.
>>
>>Getting to the race ?? Well, that's another story. I had been working on
>>getting the boat ready for 10 to 12 hours a day most of that week with
>>re-gel coating the companionway cover, varnishing handrails etc etc. The
>>Thursday before the 6hr delivery on Friday I got all of 2 hours of sleep.
>>The Friday we were to leave we had set 7pm as a goal, hoping to get out
>>earlier. Well, my wife made a pit stop at home before coming to the boat
>>and left the truck running and accidentally had locked the doors when
>>getting out but left the doo r open. Well, my almost 3 yr old shut the
>>door for her and locked the keys in the truck with it running.
>>Fortunately, he was not in it and did so from outside. Well this set in
>>motion a series of delays and we didn't get out of the slip until 11pm.
>>
>>In my fog, I was thinking that the red can 1/4 mile away was a lit mark and
>>I headed for it. It was not a lit mark and what I was headed for was the
>>red sector of Hambrooks Bar light house! 10 min out of the marina we ran
>>aground hard LOL. Not a good way to start a trip. Thank goodness for the
>>Chesapeake mud. We got off in a couple of minutes and I gave up the wheel
>>to take a nap. We headed for Knapps Narrows which is basically a canal cut
>>thru the Tilghman Island peninsula and is a short cut to Annapolis. We
>>figured we'd tie up there for a couple of hours and get some shut eye and
>>head out at the break of day.
>>
>>Well, 2 hours later we were up and headed out and ugh!! Aground again!
>>Well maybe the channel shifted more to the right . . . ugh! Aground
>>again! Screw it, we're going around I said and we went back under the
>>drawbridge and around Tilghman Island. On the way my wife did a route to
>>the start line and determined we were going to be an hour late for the
>>start! I could'nt believe that was right so we kept on motoring,
>>discussing what we thought we might do instead of race. When we got around
>>the point, the eta changed and told us we'd be there 15 min before our
>>start! Our spirits lifted considerably seeing as how one of our crew
>>members was a guy who used to sail with us before moving to Vermont. He
>>had driven down just for this race.
>>
>>We did get to the check in boat 12 min before our start and went directly
>>to the starting line and had a pretty g ood start. We were a little early
>>and leeward to a lot of boats but were right on the line when the gun went
>>off. 14 boats in our PHRF B class was the largest class and we all
>>finished within 20 min of each other. We didn't do well as we had an hour
>>glass spinnaker set that took forever to get back down and re-set.
>>
>>How did you do Charlie? They had our ratings all screwed up so the results
>>I saw are bogus. I looked for you a couple of times but we didn't hang at
>>the Yacht Club as we had to go get my son in Easton and bring him back to
>>the boat for the trip home.
>>
>>Paul West
>>Adventure Kwest
>>'80 Cal 39