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I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and the broken Standard log/depth gauges. currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers, Grae 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ

Grae, Only a personal preference & looking toward future technology. Before you decide consider NMEA 2000 compatibility. With that, you can mix & match manufacturers products. Regards, Michael From: Grae Morrison <gr… [at] gtmorrison.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and the broken Standard log/depth gauges. currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers, Grae 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ

I like the bulkhead....tried a nab-pod mounted to the pedestal guard; however, shorthanded, if I'm in front of the pedestal, working the sheets, etc I find the bulkhead location a spot where I can still see all of the instruments. With my auto-pilot, I can make course corrections from that location as well.... There is also the short run from the instruments back to the control pack with easy access from the cabin to trouble shoot because they are bulkhead mounted and accessible from inside where it's dry for the most part. I mounted them up as High as I could in order to still have a location for folks to sit. There is an issue of people sitting in front of the instruments at times. Just my two cents regarding location. I'll try to put a photo in to my photo album...first page S/V Thalia 2-29. James --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Grae Morrison <grae@...> wrote: > > I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife > sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major > things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and > the broken Standard log/depth gauges. > > currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe > the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some > discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience > and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting > the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best > used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete > obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way > cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? > > Cheers, > Grae > 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' > Red Bank, NJ >

Correction, posted two photos on the second page of my photos..... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "James" <jamesbibb@...> wrote: > > I like the bulkhead....tried a nab-pod mounted to the pedestal guard; however, shorthanded, if I'm in front of the pedestal, working the sheets, etc I find the bulkhead location a spot where I can still see all of the instruments. With my auto-pilot, I can make course corrections from that location as well.... > > There is also the short run from the instruments back to the control pack with easy access from the cabin to trouble shoot because they are bulkhead mounted and accessible from inside where it's dry for the most part. > > I mounted them up as High as I could in order to still have a location for folks to sit. There is an issue of people sitting in front of the instruments at times. Just my two cents regarding location. > > I'll try to put a photo in to my photo album...first page S/V Thalia 2-29. > > James > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Grae Morrison <grae@> wrote: > > > > I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife > > sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major > > things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and > > the broken Standard log/depth gauges. > > > > currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe > > the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some > > discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience > > and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting > > the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best > > used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete > > obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way > > cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? > > > > Cheers, > > Grae > > 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' > > Red Bank, NJ > > >

Thanks Michael - have to admit, that's what draws me to the garmin option. On 08/03/2011 11:57 AM, Michael D wrote: > Grae, > > Only a personal preference & looking toward future technology. Before > you decide consider NMEA 2000 compatibility. With that, you can mix & > match manufacturers products. > > Regards, > Michael > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Grae Morrison <gr… [at] gtmorrison.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:26 AM > *Su bject:* [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time > > I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife > sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major > things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and > the broken Standard log/depth gauges. > > currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe > the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some > discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience > and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting > the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best > used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete > obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way > cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? > > Cheers, > Grae > 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' > Red Bank, NJ > > >

I love Garmin. BUT NEMA 2000 was a very bad choice to standardize on for sea going yachts IMHO When I first beta tested NEMA 2000 for a leading manufacturer, I was shocked how terrible this standard is for survivability and installation. Premade connectors are required, end terminals, tees, separate power cabling, so many points of clutter and failure. [cid:image002.jpg@01CC51C2.C75DCBA0] Each connector is a multiple failure point. When I had Seatalk, connected similarly, it failed constantly. Connecting NEMA 2000 to a laptop to run charting is currently problematic… not impossible… but quite difficult. A NMEA 2000 converter is now available $300-400… NMEA 0183 to laptop converter is not required (serial or $35 Serial/USB converter) Dittos connecting to many mainstream systems or multiple systems. I guess I’m a curmudgeon, but I will never have 2000 on one of my boats, and cannot recommend it to others. NEMA 0183 and its ability to mix and match components works on California Girl and Freewind – now and for the next many years [cid:image004.jpg@01CC51C2.C75DCBA0] I have connected via NMEA 0183 Auto Pilot VHF Radio AIS Windows 7 Laptop SCS Demodulator ICOM 700pro SSB Nexus Instruments ACR GPS EPIRB Garmin GPS Garmin displays (NMEA 2000 side disabled) [cid:image009.jpg@01CC51C2.C75DCBA0] From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:58 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time (Grae) Grae, Only a personal preference & looking toward future technology. Before you decide consider NMEA 2000 compatibility. With that, you can mix & match manufacturers products. Regards, Michael From: Grae Morrison <gr… [at] gtmorrison.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and the broken Standard log/depth gauges. currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers, Grae 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ

I am a TackTick fan, I am a TackTick customer, and I am a TackTick dealer (in the interest of full disclosure). But I rep all other brands as well so my choice is based on price, performance, and simplicity. I have TackTick on my boat and love it. It is much easier to install and has never failed to operate. The T038 is a good package unless you are a die hard racer. I opted for this system because my instruments are mounted in the cockpit, on the aft facing bulkhead, under a hard t-top, and would get no sun. The system draws so little power that I could leave it on for a month and the house bank would hardly feel it. I too have the problem of crew getting in front of the instruments but solved that by getting a TackTick Remote unit that is solar powered, hand held or mountable, on a lanyard so you can put it around your neck, and shows all the data available from the other instruments and more. That means you can take it down to the nav station and still have all the information available to you. You can also have it on the bow while getting ready to drop the hook and know exactly what the depth gauge is reading. It is a very handy item. I have interfaced my TackTick system to my Standard Horizon Chartplotter and Radar system so radar overlays the chart. Getting it to work was childishly simple. Integration is a breeze with TackTick and their are no proprietary connectors. My opinion is that one shouldn't use the NMEA 0183 vs. 2000 to make an electronics decision today. Both standards will be around for the foreseeable future and simple devices are available that can translate in either direction. Anyway, that's my opinion. Regards, Wayne s/v Elusive Cal 39 Mk III Wayne, NJ From: Grae Morrison <gr… [at] gtmorrison.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and the broken Standard log/depth gauges. currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers, Grae 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ

I also use tacktick. I had nothing. Just A handheld GPS and a wind vane top of the mast. I only had one problem so far. Isent them a picture from phone and they sent me a new part over night from UK. &nbsp; I plan to link things together, chart plotter. Auto pilot. But only have handheld GPS still.&nbsp; A lot of it is still new to me. I actually sailed slower in the beginning. But only look at the speed log now to figure what else I am not doing. I do think we have problems during our foggy overcast socal summer days.&nbsp;Sometimes my anometer does not talk to instruments. But whitecaps are whitecaps and when you are sailing on your ear. It's time to shift gears. &nbsp;Or vice versa. Randy Cal &nbsp;2-29 -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Aug 3, 2011 11:30, Wayne Gillikin &lt;wa… [at] yahoo.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; I am a TackTick fan, I am a TackTick customer, and &nbsp;I am a TackTick dealer (in the interest of full disclosure). &nbsp;But I rep all other brands as well so my choice is based on price, performance, and simplicity. &nbsp; I have TackTick on my boat and love it. &nbsp;It is much easier to install and has never failed to operate. &nbsp;The T038 is a good package unless you are a&nbsp;die hard&nbsp;racer. &nbsp;I opted for this system because my instruments are mounted in the cockpit, on the aft facing bulkhead, under a hard t-top, and would get no sun. &nbsp;The system draws so little power that I could leave it on for a month and the house bank would hardly feel it. &nbsp;I too have the problem of crew getting in front of the instruments but solved that by getting a TackTick Remote unit that is solar powered, hand held or mountable, on a lanyard so you can put it around your neck, and shows all the data available from the other instruments and more. &nbsp;That means you can take it down to the nav station and still have all the information available to you. &nbsp;You can also have it on the bow while getting ready to drop the hook and know exactly what the depth gauge is reading. &nbsp;It is a very handy item. &nbsp; I have interfaced my TackTick system to my Standard Horizon Chartplotter and Radar system so radar overlays the chart. &nbsp;Getting it to work was childishly simple. &nbsp;Integration is a breeze with TackTick and their are no&nbsp;proprietary connectors. My opinion is that one shouldn't use the NMEA 0183 vs. 2000 to make an electronics decision today. &nbsp;Both standards will be around for the foreseeable future and simple devices are available that can translate in either direction. Anyway, that's my opinion. Regards,Waynes/v ElusiveCal 39 Mk IIIWayne, NJ From: Grae Morrison &lt;gr… [at] gtmorrison.net&gt; To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time &nbsp; I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and the broken Standard log/depth gauges. currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers, Grae 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ

just realized we never had that problem of bulkhead backrest because our traveler on the 29 Noah's Kid is about 4 inches from the bulkhead. If your traveler's not there, maybe a built-out box right under the companionway door between the seats but up to the wood trim so no-one trips over the new extension and you could add a removable plexiglass or lexan weather or non-glare shield to protect from being kicked. Not sure if being that close to the engine compartment is relevant. Helen From: Grae Morrison <gr… [at] gtmorrison.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 3, 2011 8:26:31 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Budgeting time I'm starting to put together my wishlist (very 'wishful' if the wife sees it!) for stuff to do during the close season, one of the major things I want to replace is the old (failed lcd) navman wind unit, and the broken Standard log/depth gauges. currently looking at an ST60+ set or the tacktick T038 package or maybe the garmin multifunction package, I know there have been some discussions on these before but can people offer up some experience and/or recommendations, alongside this I also want to look at mounting the displays somewhere other than the bulkhead which seems to be best used by the wife/kids as a backrest whilst out cruising (complete obscuring any instruments)- I've seen them placed on the companion way cover and also at the helm any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers, Grae 1972 Cal-29 # 435 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ