Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting

Glad to hear all is well (except for power) over there. Wanna borrow some ice? I froze a zillion jugs of water as they all but guaranteed we'd be w/o power for 3 days to a week. I took all my plastic recycling and froze water in everything with a lid LOL. Dunno that I'd want to drink it but it would keep my food cold for a while. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. _www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com_ (http://www.docksidemobilemarineservice.com/) 443-614-4070 In a message dated 8/29/2011 1:14:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: Hi, All. Power went out for me at home Saturday night, and is still out. Did not see this note till now. The biggest item was no storm surge, so Annapolis was saved. Saturday was pretty nasty in terms of wind and rain, but I’m sure happy I did not have to spend the night at the docks easing lines. This was the nasty part of Isabel in 2003. I think Irene had more wind and rain. Annapolis looks good, although there were many downed trees and power failures. Most people appeared to take reasonable care of their boats. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 7:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene Good to hear, only one who has not reported in is Charley, but he's probably out helping others. Chris B on his CAL-20 pulled the boat out in RI so it will be fine as its parked in a safe spot. /ch On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:24 PM, <_p… [at] aol.com_ (mailto:pw… [at] aol.com) > wrote: Well my boat survived okay but as expected, my dumbass stinkpottin' neighbor never did a thing with his boat so I'm glad I re-tied the lines to at least keep him out of my slip. He has an arch over the stern of the boat and has canvas that goes between it and the windshield . . . at least he did . . . it is now in shreds hanging off the frame in the middle. I have no sympathy for idiots. Paul -- /ch

Sent my Gulf Coast raised middle daughter a text this weekend that said "you can run but you can't hide" - she was at home attending USM in Hattiesburg when Katrina came thru, and is now sitting in the dark near UConn in Storrs, CT. CL&P outage map looks like most of the state is out of juice... From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting Glad to hear all is well (except for power) over there. Wanna borrow some ice? I froze a zillion jugs of water as they all but guaranteed we'd be w/o power for 3 days to a week. I took all my plastic recycling and froze water in everything with a lid LOL. Dunno that I'd want to drink it but it would keep my food cold for a while. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com 443-614-4070 In a message dated 8/29/2011 1:14:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: >Hi, All. Power went out for me at home Saturday night, and is still out. Did not see this note till now. The biggest item was no storm surge, so Annapolis was saved. Saturday was pretty nasty in terms of wind and rain, but I’m sure happy I did not have to spend the night at the docks easing lines. This was the nasty part of Isabel in 2003. I think Irene had more wind and rain. Annapolis looks good, although there were many downed trees and power failures. Most people appeared to take reasonable care of their boats. >Cheers >Charlie >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 >Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 7:58 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene > > >Good to hear, only one who has not reported in is Charley, but he's probably out helping others. Chris B on his CAL-20 pulled the boat out in RI so it will be fine as its parked in a safe spot. > >/ch > > >On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:24 PM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: >Well my boat survived okay but as expected, my dumbass stinkpottin' neighbor never did a thing with his boat so I'm glad I re-tied the lines to at least keep him out of my slip. He has an arch over the stern of the boat and has canvas that goes between it and the windshield . . . at least he did . . . it is now in shreds hanging off the frame in the middle. I have no sympathy for idiots. >Paul > > > > > > >-- >/ch > > > > > > > >

It could be group punishment from the gods on You Conn for their freestyler touching me out at the end of the last lap of the 1000 yd freestyle after I lead the whole way in 1968, anyway, it was a good race, just that, darn, (%$#@!) I wish I'd beat him. I remember their entire gym being a long Indian style Quonset hut, only half the size of a dirigible hanger, only just as long. Gym at one end, with basketball court, six lane pool at the other end. I'm doing solar water heating for a living, but I think it is ironic that all those electric grid tie solar systems that the State and the Utility companies are foisting on the public, that the rest of us Public are paying for, aren't worth a damn during an emergency (speaking of an Emergency). They're all designed, in such a case, to go off line automatically and play dead. Phooey! They can't store electricity, and they can't work off grid. Dumb. Well, she can always light a candle, or rise with the sun and go to bed at sun down, like mankind did 2 million years ago, before we mastered fire. This is a good time to forage for food, since it is harvest time. Since some clown killed the only mountain lion to migrate east of the Mississippi last month, probably plenty of deer to shoot with bow and arrow, or musket. Jerry From: The SV Emergency Exit Crew <sv… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting Sent my Gulf Coast raised middle daughter a text this weekend that said "you can run but you can't hide" - she was at home attending USM in Hattiesburg when Katrina came thru, and is now sitting in the dark near UConn in Storrs, CT. CL&P outage map looks like most of the state is out of juice... From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting Glad to hear all is well (except for power) over there. Wanna borrow some ice? I froze a zillion jugs of water as they all but guaranteed we'd be w/o power for 3 days to a week. I took all my plastic recycling and froze water in everything with a lid LOL. Dunno that I'd want to drink it but it would keep my food cold for a while. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com 443-614-4070 In a message dated 8/29/2011 1:14:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: >Hi, All. Power went out for me at home Saturday night, and is still out. Did not see this note till now. The biggest item was no storm surge, so Annapolis was saved. Saturday was pretty nasty in terms of wind and rain, but I’m sure happy I did not have to spend the night at the docks easing lines. This was the nasty part of Isabel in 2003. I think Irene had more wind and rain. Annapolis looks good, although there were many downed trees and power failures. Most people appeared to take reasonable care of their boats. >Cheers >Charlie >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 >Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 7:58 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene > > >Good to hear, only one who has not reported in is Charley, but he's probably out helping others. Chris B on his CAL-20 pulled the boat out in RI so it will be fine as its parked in a safe spot. > >/ch > > >On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:24 PM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: >Well my boat survived okay but as expected, my dumbass stinkpottin' neighbor never did a thing with his boat so I'm glad I re-tied the lines to at least keep him out of my slip. He has an arch over the stern of the boat and has canvas that goes between it and the windshield . . . at least he did . . . it is now in shreds hanging off the frame in the middle. I have no sympathy for idiots. >Paul > > > > > > >-- >/ch > > > > > > > >

On 8/30/2011 2:47 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > . Since some clown killed the only mountain lion to migrate east of > the Mississippi last month, probably plenty of deer to shoot with bow > and arrow, or musket. Actually, I think the cougar (from S. Dakota stock) was hit by a car accidentally. I'm still waiting for some plague to kill off the @#$%&***!!!! deer that overpopulate Michigan and leap out in front of cars. I tell everybody that if they want to poach the deer around my house, my lips are sealed and my eyes are turned the other way. Chris Campbell

Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. If the young males don't pack up and leave town to seek their fortune in new territories the big older males will kill them: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5917-2004Dec16_2.html And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Personally, I'd prefer to carry a decoy of five pound sack of "natural" kibble (my cat's favorite) or a few large cans of cat food (my cat won't touch anything but real fish fillet, he loves Tilapia) altho my first cat loved his Kal Kan. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. Eventually they will be grooming the human population as well, according to the above article. Jerry From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 2:47 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: . Since some clown killed the only mountain lion to migrate east of the Mississippi last month, probably plenty of deer to shoot with bow and arrow, or musket. > Actually, I think the cougar (from S. Dakota stock) was hit by a car accidentally. I'm still waiting for some plague to kill off the @#$%&***!!!! deer that overpopulate Michigan and leap out in front of cars. I tell everybody that if they want to poach the deer around my house, my lips are sealed and my eyes are turned the other way. Chris Campbell

On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > Chris, > The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming > east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to > 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. > > And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the > Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. > > The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make > yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to > run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back > of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and > disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. > > But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better > they should groom the population of deer, which the above article > says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell

Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: >Chris, >The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. >And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. > The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. >The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) > Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. > But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell

Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have learned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell

MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What’s three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell

On 8/30/2011 10:46 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In > reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. > They are much different from rats: they consume vastly more. They eat everything. When I was a kid, sighting a deer from a country road was a rare and notable experience. Now they pop up unexpectedly right in front of the vehicle, everywhere. Put them in my "least favorite animal" column. I'm still waiting for some highly contagious disease to strike them and take the population down by 90%. Meanwhile, on the subject of sailing, I'll note that the one thing they don't eat is poison ivy, which is creeping toward my dinghy storage spot. And on the subject of dinghies, I row mine past a couple trailer sailers that are moored out in our Bay. One, a Catalina 22, lost its stbd. upper shroud (broke off at the spreader). Then the lowers began working loose until the mast was flopping back and forth. One night before a big north blow I stopped and tightened the lowers so the mast wouldn't fall over. The sail cover was gradually working its way off, too. Finally, after at least 7 weeks, somebody tied the sail cover on and tightened up the rest of the rig (upper shroud is still broken). Why do people launch boats and then completely ignore them? There's another little trailer sailer nearby with shrouds that are loose now and flopping spreaders. Perhaps if you just own the boat and don't sail it, you don't develop that bond of loyalty that comes from dealing with challenges. Chris Campbell > > Cheers, Anyway > > Charlie > > > > Jerry, > Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, > we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. > They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits > their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith > those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now > they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. > David CAL29 411 > > > --- On *Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel /<so… [at] yahoo.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- > Charlie Reporting(Escape) > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM > > Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by > hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess > they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. > I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged > into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If > it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother > puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are > starving in Somalia. > > When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no > room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that > ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the > winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! > > Jerry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- > Charlie Reporting(Escape) > > On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Chris, > > The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE > coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only > make 50 to 90 miles a night. > > > Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. > > > And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the > Mississippi is no problem. > > The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best > hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. > Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based > on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as > opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. > > > The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make > yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to > run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back > of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and > disemboweled alive by wild canines) > > > Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made > the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes > on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking > at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test > of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. > > > But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better > they should groom the population of deer, which the above article > says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. > > > I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. > > Chris Campbell > > > > >