Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry)

Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell

Sailors, Bambi et al, are wonderully cute, but something like 300 Americans die each year, many hunters, by being scewerd by antlers and trampled by sharp hooves, way way more deaths and damage than mean 'ol lions who get all the bad press. Up in the Hills west of Palo Alto, where my mother and brother live, there are many of them. One jumped right in front of my mother's car's headlights, 15' away, as I pulled onto the two lane road which goes under the Father Junipero Serra Fwy; fortunately I was going real slow so no one was hurt. On my next visit two deer crossed the narrow asphalt Lane 50 yards behind me as I went for an afternoon stroll several houses down from my Mom's. They are still cautious and sly for now, and are skillful in navigating wooded paths and vacant lots, or, private horse pasture in this case. I'd rather share the planet with the wild life than have more humans which tax the planet's resources far out of proportion to their numbers and clog the roads with cars. The previous weekend my girlfriend and I drove up to the Chumash Indian reservation, from Los Angeles to the Santa Ynez Valley, via Ventura and Santa Barbara, along the Rte 101 freeway, and in many areas the traffic was bumper to bumper and ground to a halt, out in the middle of nowhere. Years ago there was hardly any traffic on these highways. My, how times have changed, and not for the good. I have to say, tho, that the ocean route just south of the highway was still nearly devoid of any sailboat, or even stinkpot traffic. Jerry From: BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I agree jerry but the wildlife still is delicious . . . . . Brian :P From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, etc. Sailors, Bambi et al, are wonderully cute, but something like 300 Americans die each year, many hunters, by being scewerd by antlers and trampled by sharp hooves, way way more deaths and damage than mean 'ol lions who get all the bad press. Up in the Hills west of Palo Alto, where my mother and brother live, there are many of them. One jumped right in front of my mother's car's headlights, 15' away, as I pulled onto the two lane road which goes under the Father Junipero Serra Fwy; fortunately I was going real slow so no one was hurt. On my next visit two deer crossed the narrow asphalt Lane 50 yards behind me as I went for an afternoon stroll several houses down from my Mom's. They are still cautious and sly for now, and are skillful in navigating wooded paths and vacant lots, or, private horse pasture in this case. I'd rather share the planet with the wild life than have more humans which tax the planet's resources far out of proportion to their numbers and clog the roads with cars. The previous weekend my girlfriend and I drove up to the Chumash Indian reservation, from Los Angeles to the Santa Ynez Valley, via Ventura and Santa Barbara, along the Rte 101 freeway, and in many areas the traffic was bumper to bumper and ground to a halt, out in the middle of nowhere. Years ago there was hardly any traffic on these highways. My, how times have changed, and not for the good. I have to say, tho, that the ocean route just south of the highway was still nearly devoid of any sailboat, or even stinkpot traffic. Jerry _____ From: BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Yes, I love all of God's creatures, next to the mashed potatoes. Tom with two Cals on my dock and venison in the freezer From: BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Interesting viewpoint, what we forget sometimes is the Bambi grows up to become Mr and Mtrs Atilla whos main purpose in life is to breed. 300 US citizens is pale in comparison to damage to property and humans. Got my truck toast with a head on collision at 100km per hr with Mr. Atilla who made the mistake of jumping the entire road in one hump. Well his math was off and he landed in my grill, all 200 lbs of him. Lucky me it was a Toyota with a full frame and the hood collapsed over the windshield to protect me, otherwise it would have been over. The dear population in your country and mine are largely out of control due to the elimination of natural predators like wolves and coyotes. Basically since we got into the wildlife management business, we kind blew it, with other interests taking priority. Hunters can be trained and educated, wildlife cant, they need the food chain to be in place to thrive and restore the balance. /ch On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Sailors, > Bambi et al, are wonderully cute, but something like 300 Americans die each > year, many hunters, by being scewerd by antlers and trampled by sharp > hooves, way way more deaths and damage than mean 'ol lions who get all the > bad press. > Up in the Hills west of Palo Alto, where my mother and brother live, there > are many of them. One jumped right in front of my mother's car's headlights, > 15' away, as I pulled onto the two lane road which goes under the Father > Junipero Serra Fwy; fortunately I was going real slow so no one was hurt. On > my next visit two deer crossed the narrow asphalt Lane 50 yards behind me as > I went for an afternoon stroll several houses down from my Mom's. They are > still cautious and sly for now, and are skillful in navigating wooded paths > and vacant lots, or, private horse pasture in this case. > > I'd rather share the planet with the wild life than have more humans which > tax the planet's resources far out of proportion to their numbers and clog > the roads with cars. The previous weekend my girlfriend and I drove up to > the Chumash Indian reservation, from Los Angeles to the Santa Ynez Valley, > via Ventura and Santa Barbara, along the Rte 101 freeway, and in many areas > the traffic was bumper to bumper and ground to a halt, out in the middle of > nowhere. Years ago there was hardly any traffic on these highways. My, how > times have changed, and not for the good. I have to say, tho, that the ocean > route just south of the highway was still nearly devoid of any sailboat, or > even stinkpot traffic. > Jerry > > ------------------------------ > *From:* BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> > *To:* Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; " > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:51 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) > > Bambi in the bar-b......delicious > > > Brian > Port Orchard, WA > Sent from my BlackBerry® by Boost Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) > > > > > > > > MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, > anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats > since we did not get a surge. > > Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In > reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. > > Cheers, Anyway > Charlie > > > > > > Jerry, > Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we > have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat > my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I > live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they > have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still > beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. > David CAL29 411 > > > --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie > Reporting(Escape) > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM > > > > > > Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters > in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting > for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human > prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and > completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want > to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to > clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. > > > > When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room > aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them > across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. > Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! > > Jerry > > > > > > ---------------- > > From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie > Reporting(Escape) > > > > > On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to > get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a > night. > > Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. > > > > > > > > And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi > is no problem. > The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best > hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's > River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more > favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the > more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. > > > > > > > > The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make > yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as > their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck > (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by > wild canines) > > Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the > lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the > back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or > they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. > Somebody else can volunteer. > > > > > > > > But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they > should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now > greater than before the Europeans arrived. > > I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- /ch

I also believe that the it's not just the lack of predators that have caused the massive deer populations, but all the tree huggers that think killing deer for food is bad. . . . I say. . . feed the tree huggers to the wolves so that the wolf populations are brought back, and also the illegal immigrants. . .. . and the people that hire them. . . that should help the economy too. . . . then, the wolves can eat the deer and soon the balance of life should return to normal. . . . along with our taxes. . . . I should run for Governor of WA. . . . . nah Brian Port Orchard From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:40 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, etc. Interesting viewpoint, what we forget sometimes is the Bambi grows up to become Mr and Mtrs Atilla whos main purpose in life is to breed. 300 US citizens is pale in comparison to damage to property and humans. Got my truck toast with a head on collision at 100km per hr with Mr. Atilla who made the mistake of jumping the entire road in one hump. Well his math was off and he landed in my grill, all 200 lbs of him. Lucky me it was a Toyota with a full frame and the hood collapsed over the windshield to protect me, otherwise it would have been over. The dear population in your country and mine are largely out of control due to the elimination of natural predators like wolves and coyotes. Basically since we got into the wildlife management business, we kind blew it, with other interests taking priority. Hunters can be trained and educated, wildlife cant, they need the food chain to be in place to thrive and restore the balance. /ch On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Sailors, Bambi et al, are wonderully cute, but something like 300 Americans die each year, many hunters, by being scewerd by antlers and trampled by sharp hooves, way way more deaths and damage than mean 'ol lions who get all the bad press. Up in the Hills west of Palo Alto, where my mother and brother live, there are many of them. One jumped right in front of my mother's car's headlights, 15' away, as I pulled onto the two lane road which goes under the Father Junipero Serra Fwy; fortunately I was going real slow so no one was hurt. On my next visit two deer crossed the narrow asphalt Lane 50 yards behind me as I went for an afternoon stroll several houses down from my Mom's. They are still cautious and sly for now, and are skillful in navigating wooded paths and vacant lots, or, private horse pasture in this case. I'd rather share the planet with the wild life than have more humans which tax the planet's resources far out of proportion to their numbers and clog the roads with cars. The previous weekend my girlfriend and I drove up to the Chumash Indian reservation, from Los Angeles to the Santa Ynez Valley, via Ventura and Santa Barbara, along the Rte 101 freeway, and in many areas the traffic was bumper to bumper and ground to a halt, out in the middle of nowhere. Years ago there was hardly any traffic on these highways. My, how times have changed, and not for the good. I have to say, tho, that the ocean route just south of the highway was still nearly devoid of any sailboat, or even stinkpot traffic. Jerry _____ From: BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- /ch

On 8/31/2011 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > My, how times have changed, and not for the good. Be careful, Jerry, those words are the central diagnosis for old-fartism. They are usually followed by "why, back in my day...," words uttered to an audience that's either escaping or trying to find a polite way to escape. Change is inevitable. We can't prevent it but we can try to influence and direct it. Remember what the traditionalists said about the Cal 40. Tsk, tsk, not a safe and proper boat for offshore work; that rudder will just snap off, etc. and so on. Chris Campbell

You guys are killing me! The boat isn't coming out of the water for two months and you're making me impatient for hunting season already. I think I may have to pull the last backstraps out of the freezer over Labor Day. As a volunteer in NJ's Deer Management Program, come December I will be doing my part to keep the deer out of the roses and off the roadways here in NJ. No need to thank me. Regards, Wayne From: BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Amen, brother. From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Yes, I love all of God's creatures, next to the mashed potatoes. Tom with two Cals on my dock and venison in the freezer From: BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Brian, oh my. Without the forests the land would be washed into the sea, like in Haiti where the population has denuded the hillsides in the quest for charcoal to cook food (too bad they don't use solar cookers). I don't object to shooting deer for food if done respectfully, but I do object to trophy hunting, it's dumb to destroy the healthiest breeders, so yes, humans make pretty lousy conservationists compared to predators who weed out the least fit stock. (what do we do with the least fit humans? Give them section 8 so they can move in next door and let them trash the neighborhood) Without environmentalists there would be no sea life to admire, which was the case back in the fifties through the early eighties. I don't remember seeing any sea lions, any porpoises, any whales, any egrets and but a handful of pelicans and seagulls when I went sailing. I remember my first experience sailing at Rutgers on the Raritan in 1964 (raritan means purity, and in days of yore, the sailing ships would sail up the river to fill their water tanks before setting sail for Europe and parts elsewhere). The sophomore I was with showed me how you could capsized our new 13' fiberglass Alpha dinghies in such a way that the crew was dumped in the water, without the skipper getting wet. And, he did it twice, nice guy! My skin stank from the chemical waste American Cyanimide Corporation was dumping in the water upstream from New Brunswick, for days afterwards. It was impossible to wash it off. Yeech! and double YEEECH! Yesteday I read that the Killer Whales that feed on shark in New Zealand are saturated with PCBs, that the milk they feed to their young, rich in fat, likewise, and they're not sure where it is coming from. Probably because we now know sharks migrate over long distances. Hugging a tree while I wait for a puma to feed, and dancing with a timber wolf (have to upload that one someday). Oh yes, great sail last night, with a clean bottom on my boat, an extra 210 pound crew on the rail, and big winds last night we coped second place, on what was an upwind/downwind course, where I usually don't do well with my long low aspect keel. Wooo Whooo! Jerry From: Brian Hess <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, etc. I also believe that the it’s not just the lack of predators that have caused the massive deer populations, but all the tree huggers that think killing deer for food is bad. . . . I say. . . feed the tree huggers to the wolves so that the wolf populations are brought back, and also the illegal immigrants. . .. . and the people that hire them. . . that should help the economy too. . . . then, the wolves can eat the deer and soon the balance of life should return to normal. . . . along with our taxes. . . . I should run for Governor of WA. . . . . nah Brian Port Orchard From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:40 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, etc. Interesting viewpoint, what we forget sometimes is the Bambi grows up to become Mr and Mtrs Atilla whos main purpose in life is to breed. 300 US citizens is pale in comparison to damage to property and humans. Got my truck toast with a head on collision at 100km per hr with Mr. Atilla who made the mistake of jumping the entire road in one hump. Well his math was off and he landed in my grill, all 200 lbs of him. Lucky me it was a Toyota with a full frame and the hood collapsed over the windshield to protect me, otherwise it would have been over. The dear population in your country and mine are largely out of control due to the elimination of natural predators like wolves and coyotes. Basically since we got into the wildlife management business, we kind blew it, with other interests taking priority. Hunters can be trained and educated, wildlife cant, they need the food chain to be in place to thrive and restore the balance. /ch On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Sailors, Bambi et al, are wonderully cute, but something like 300 Americans die each year, many hunters, by being scewerd by antlers and trampled by sharp hooves, way way more deaths and damage than mean 'ol lions who get all the bad press. Up in the Hills west of Palo Alto, where my mother and brother live, there are many of them. One jumped right in front of my mother's car's headlights, 15' away, as I pulled onto the two lane road which goes under the Father Junipero Serra Fwy; fortunately I was going real slow so no one was hurt. On my next visit two deer crossed the narrow asphalt Lane 50 yards behind me as I went for an afternoon stroll several houses down from my Mom's. They are still cautious and sly for now, and are skillful in navigating wooded paths and vacant lots, or, private horse pasture in this case. I'd rather share the planet with the wild life than have more humans which tax the planet's resources far out of proportion to their numbers and clog the roads with cars. The previous weekend my girlfriend and I drove up to the Chumash Indian reservation, from Los Angeles to the Santa Ynez Valley, via Ventura and Santa Barbara, along the Rte 101 freeway, and in many areas the traffic was bumper to bumper and ground to a halt, out in the middle of nowhere. Years ago there was hardly any traffic on these highways. My, how times have changed, and not for the good. I have to say, tho, that the ocean route just south of the highway was still nearly devoid of any sailboat, or even stinkpot traffic. Jerry From:BRIAN HESS <bh… [at] msn.com> To: Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) Bambi in the bar-b......delicious Brian Port Orchard, WA From: "Husar Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:46:59 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Deer, Penn(Jerry) MY POWER IS BACK ON IN THE HOUSE. What's three days here and there, anyway. Boats are all fine. Trees suffered a lot worse than the boats since we did not get a surge. Deer are really cute. Bambi with those big wet eyes and all that. In reality, they are no different from rats, except they have good press. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Jerry, Those would be Nittany lions, as in Penn State U. Chris C. is right, we have more deer than ever. They are to the point of being pests. They eat my roses, tomatoes, aborvitae, and anything else that suits their fancy. I live in close suburban Chicago. They have lewith those bigarned that they have nothing to fear, except cars, and now they rule. They are still beautiful animals, and I enjoy seeing them. David CAL29 411 --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:17 PM Chris, the article I sited mentioned many sightings of Mt. Lions by hunters in Pennsylvania, which were discounted by the Gov. I guess they're waiting for someone to get attacked with surviving witnesses. I guess if the human prey is alone, then he or she could get dragged into the bushes and completely devoured, without much of a trace. If it was me, I wouldn't want to go to waste, that's for sure. The mother puma will tell its kittens to clean their plates, children are starving in Somalia. When the Cherokee were 'evacuated' to Oklahoma in 1830, there was no room aboard, so their dogs were left to swim behind the boats that ferried them across the Mississippi, and that was in the middle of the winter. Brrrrr-rrr-rrrr! Jerry ---------------- From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Cats and deer, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake / Irene- Charlie Reporting(Escape) On 8/30/2011 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, The one cat hit by a car notwithstanding, mountain lions ARE coming east to get those deer. Give them a little time, they only make 50 to 90 miles a night. Well, they'd better hurry. Pretty soon the deer will displace people. And, boating content, they are good swimmers, so crossing the Mississippi is no problem. The one that made it to Connecticut apparently--the best hypothesis--crossed Michigan's Upper Peninsula and crossed the St. Mary's River that separates MI from Canada. The hypothesis was based on the more favorable environment in the sparsely-populated UP, as opposed to the more-populated route through Illinois and Indiana. The article advises if encountering one, hold up your arms and make yourself as large and aggressive looking as possible, don't try to run, as their preferred method of attack is a swift bite to the back of the neck (what a way to go! It beats being ripped apart and disemboweled alive by wild canines) Long ago there were some deaths out west, runners and hikers who made the lion's lunch. The recommendation them was to wear a hat with eyes on the back, because they are less likely to attack if you're looking at them (or they think you are). I'm not aware of any empirical test of this theory. Somebody else can volunteer. But, unless they are really hungry and need a quick snack, better they should groom the population of deer, which the above article says is now greater than before the Europeans arrived. I keep hoping that coyotes will fill that role. Chris Campbell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- /ch