CAL 25 Main sail (Mark)

Mark, the power to my self-store place is still out, but I was finally able to get in today. So taking the steps with some emergency lighting I dug out a couple CAL 25 mains. They are now in the back seat of my car. I hope to have time to unfold them and take photos this evening. I need to look them over, anyway. Also need to check status of battens I might have around, although battens are readily made. A few notes: Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not have the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew fitting. The sail makers started getting happy on big roach sails (rule beaters) some years ago. (The same thing happened with droopy boom mains in a previous generation - always sold as the next great advance in sail making.). The big roaches make the sail bind on the backstay when tacking in light air. It is possible to shorten the top batten a few inches, and to use a very flexible (soft) batten for that slot. (We now have midgirth measurements to help overcome this.) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cosens Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Main sail JChia The Cal25 has a P or luff of 25 feet and E or the foot is 11 feet. I just want an inexpensive sail, a couple hundred at the most. Thanks Mark From: roaming_lawn_gnome<mailto:ro… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:59 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Main sail Did you want a Performance Sail or a Dacron Cruising Sail? I am going to pick my Cal 20 up this week! YAY! I have some friends in the business, I was an Upholsterer for 15 or 20 years, I know people that know people. I can look up the I,J,P,E for the Cal 25 and see what is in stock at the loft tomorrow. JChia --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Mark Cosens" <mark@...> wrote: > > Hi Helen > I'm OK for a boom. I still have it but it's laying on the deck cause there's not much use for it without the main. The mainsail on a Cal 25 has a 25' luff and 11' foot. > Any help would be great. > thanks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Helen Horn > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Chesapeake / Irene - main or jib > > > > > You gotta have both to have the real fun. About booms, we found a boom for our cal 29 when we snapped it in half. It was laying in my yard, I weed-whacked near it every year...it was a spare piece of broken mast off my long gone father's venture McGregor. Cal 29's use 12'3". It was the same extrusion, the sail loft, Leading Edge in San Mateo came through and reattached the foot's boltrope to the detached main, before the week was over, we were back in next's week's race.(By the way, he (Joe) just repaired a jib we snagged with a three-day turnaround so we were out back in the race again this year.) I had my saw shop sharpen a many-toothed plywood 10 inch blade for my dewalt miter saw and I was able to cut each shape to make the ends compatible with the hardware. Then I reattached the ends (they can be made by a metalworker) by drilling small holes for the sheetmetal screws around the rim of the new boom, and screwed them into the end pieces. I don't know what the gooseneck looks like..do you still have the old parts? How long is your boom supposed to be? > > Also, what size is your main supposed to be? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From: Mark Cosens <mark@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 7:13:24 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Chesapeake / Irene - main or jib > > > > OK, all this talk of main vs. jib is a little frustrating considering I still haven't found a main yet. > I had a few leads that I contacted but no follow through so far. Please, if you have an old main you never use anymore, I will, and you'll get to take your wife (or husband) out for dinner or something like that. Nothing fancy required. Just something in one piece that looks ok from a distance. I want to stop the chatter from all those other sailors (and sometimes stink-potters) from the dock pointing and saying, "look he has no mainsail or boom". Only about 20% of the boats around here actually leave their docks! > Having only ever sailed my Cal25 with a 130% Genoa, it sails very well and takes off like a freight train when turned up into the wind. 6.8kts! which I think exceeds hull speed. I do agree though that in a strong blow it is more difficult to reduce sail quickly. Safety first! > Happy to see most faired well through the hurricane. > Mains please! > Best, > Mark Cosens > s/v Sue II in Port Stanley, Ontario >

Hi Charlie Thanks so much for digging them out. Very excited over a guy who has TWO cal 25 mains in his back seat. If I wasn't so far away I'd be right over to help. I do still have my battens as they weren't in the bag when I lost the sail, but they are not full battens. Thanks for your advise and I look forward to hearing back after you have had a look at the sails. Cheers, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Mark, the power to my self-store place is still out, but I was finally able to get in today. So taking the steps with some emergency lighting I dug out a couple CAL 25 mains. They are now in the back seat of my car. I hope to have time to unfold them and take photos this evening. I need to look them over, anyway. Also need to check status of battens I might have around, although battens are readily made. A few notes: Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not have the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew fitting. The sail makers started getting happy on big roach sails (rule beaters) some years ago. (The same thing happened with droopy boom mains in a previous generation - always sold as the next great advance in sail making.). The big roaches make the sail bind on the backstay when tacking in light air. It is possible to shorten the top batten a few inches, and to use a very flexible (soft) batten for that slot. (We now have midgirth measurements to help overcome this.) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cosens Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Main sail JChia The Cal25 has a P or luff of 25 feet and E or the foot is 11 feet. I just want an inexpensive sail, a couple hundred at the most. Thanks Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: roaming_lawn_gnome To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:59 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Main sail Did you want a Performance Sail or a Dacron Cruising Sail? I am going to pick my Cal 20 up this week! YAY! I have some friends in the business, I was an Upholsterer for 15 or 20 years, I know people that know people. I can look up the I,J,P,E for the Cal 25 and see what is in stock at the loft tomorrow. JChia --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Cosens" <mark@...> wrote: > > Hi Helen > I'm OK for a boom. I still have it but it's laying on the deck cause there's not much use for it without the main. The mainsail on a Cal 25 has a 25' luff and 11' foot. > Any help would be great. > thanks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Helen Horn > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Chesapeake / Irene - main or jib > > > > > You gotta have both to have the real fun. About booms, we found a boom for our cal 29 when we snapped it in half. It was laying in my yard, I weed-whacked near it every year...it was a spare piece of broken mast off my long gone father's venture McGregor. Cal 29's use 12'3". It was the same extrusion, the sail loft, Leading Edge in San Mateo came through and reattached the foot's boltrope to the detached main, before the week was over, we were back in next's week's race.(By the way, he (Joe) just repaired a jib we snagged with a three-day turnaround so we were out back in the race again this year.) I had my saw shop sharpen a many-toothed plywood 10 inch blade for my dewalt miter saw and I was able to cut each shape to make the ends compatible with the hardware. Then I reattached the ends (they can be made by a metalworker) by drilling small holes for the sheetmetal screws around the rim of the new boom, and screwed them into the end pieces. I don't know what the gooseneck looks like..do you still have the old parts? How long is your boom supposed to be? > > Also, what size is your main supposed to be? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From: Mark Cosens <mark@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 7:13:24 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Chesapeake / Irene - main or jib > > > > OK, all this talk of main vs. jib is a little frustrating considering I still haven't found a main yet. > I had a few leads that I contacted but no follow through so far. Please, if you have an old main you never use anymore, I will, and you'll get to take your wife (or husband) out for dinner or something like that. Nothing fancy required. Just something in one piece that looks ok from a distance. I want to stop the chatter from all those other sailors (and sometimes stink-potters) from the dock pointing and saying, "look he has no mainsail or boom". Only about 20% of the boats around here actually leave their docks! > Having only ever sailed my Cal25 with a 130% Genoa, it sails very well and takes off like a freight train when turned up into the wind. 6.8kts! which I think exceeds hull speed. I do agree though that in a strong blow it is more difficult to reduce sail quickly. Safety first! > Happy to see most faired well through the hurricane. > Mains please! > Best, > Mark Cosens > s/v Sue II in Port Stanley, Ontario >

On 9/1/2011 10:18 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not > have the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew > fitting. > A former listmate found a used Cal 20 main for me a few years ago. It used a boltrope-in-mast-slot system which meant that you couldn't drop the main and keep it secured to the mast along the luff. I bought a variety of slugs (maybe from West Marine, maybe online from defender or Hamilton) and stitched them on. Not hard to do and they work very well. For the top and bottom ones, I used the metal and plastic slugs for strength. The intermediate ones are all plastic. It's important to get the right O.D. on the slugs to fit the I.D. of the mast slot. Chris Campbell > >

Mark, these are not full battened sails. Very few of those in CAL 25dom. However, batten lengths did vary among the sail makers. Thanks Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cosens Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Hi Charlie Thanks so much for digging them out. Very excited over a guy who has TWO cal 25 mains in his back seat. If I wasn't so far away I'd be right over to help. I do still have my battens as they weren't in the bag when I lost the sail, but they are not full battens. Thanks for your advise and I look forward to hearing back after you have had a look at the sails. Cheers, Mark From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Mark, the power to my self-store place is still out, but I was finally able to get in today. So taking the steps with some emergency lighting I dug out a couple CAL 25 mains. They are now in the back seat of my car. I hope to have time to unfold them and take photos this evening. I need to look them over, anyway. Also need to check status of battens I might have around, although battens are readily made. A few notes: Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not have the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew fitting. The sail makers started getting happy on big roach sails (rule beaters) some years ago. (The same thing happened with droopy boom mains in a previous generation - always sold as the next great advance in sail making.). The big roaches make the sail bind on the backstay when tacking in light air. It is possible to shorten the top batten a few inches, and to use a very flexible (soft) batten for that slot. (We now have midgirth measurements to help overcome this.) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cosens Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Main sail JChia The Cal25 has a P or luff of 25 feet and E or the foot is 11 feet. I just want an inexpensive sail, a couple hundred at the most. Thanks Mark From: roaming_lawn_gnome<mailto:ro… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:59 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Main sail Did you want a Performance Sail or a Dacron Cruising Sail? I am going to pick my Cal 20 up this week! YAY! I have some friends in the business, I was an Upholsterer for 15 or 20 years, I know people that know people. I can look up the I,J,P,E for the Cal 25 and see what is in stock at the loft tomorrow. JChia --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Mark Cosens" <mark@...> wrote: > > Hi Helen > I'm OK for a boom. I still have it but it's laying on the deck cause there's not much use for it without the main. The mainsail on a Cal 25 has a 25' luff and 11' foot. > Any help would be great. > thanks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Helen Horn > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Chesapeake / Irene - main or jib > > > > > You gotta have both to have the real fun. About booms, we found a boom for our cal 29 when we snapped it in half. It was laying in my yard, I weed-whacked near it every year...it was a spare piece of broken mast off my long gone father's venture McGregor. Cal 29's use 12'3". It was the same extrusion, the sail loft, Leading Edge in San Mateo came through and reattached the foot's boltrope to the detached main, before the week was over, we were back in next's week's race.(By the way, he (Joe) just repaired a jib we snagged with a three-day turnaround so we were out back in the race again this year.) I had my saw shop sharpen a many-toothed plywood 10 inch blade for my dewalt miter saw and I was able to cut each shape to make the ends compatible with the hardware. Then I reattached the ends (they can be made by a metalworker) by drilling small holes for the sheetmetal screws around the rim of the new boom, and screwed them into the end pieces. I don't know what the gooseneck looks like..do you still have the old parts? How long is your boom supposed to be? > > Also, what size is your main supposed to be? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From: Mark Cosens <mark@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 7:13:24 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Chesapeake / Irene - main or jib > > > > OK, all this talk of main vs. jib is a little frustrating considering I still haven't found a main yet. > I had a few leads that I contacted but no follow through so far. Please, if you have an old main you never use anymore, I will, and you'll get to take your wife (or husband) out for dinner or something like that. Nothing fancy required. Just something in one piece that looks ok from a distance. I want to stop the chatter from all those other sailors (and sometimes stink-potters) from the dock pointing and saying, "look he has no mainsail or boom". Only about 20% of the boats around here actually leave their docks! > Having only ever sailed my Cal25 with a 130% Genoa, it sails very well and takes off like a freight train when turned up into the wind. 6.8kts! which I think exceeds hull speed. I do agree though that in a strong blow it is more difficult to reduce sail quickly. Safety first! > Happy to see most faired well through the hurricane. > Mains please! > Best, > Mark Cosens > s/v Sue II in Port Stanley, Ontario >

Mark, I have you a good CAL 25 main. Specs are: - Cloth, sliders, and stitching all in very good shape - All battens in place (this is a shorter batten design) - Bolt rope bottom that slides into boom - Single reef (hope that's OK), but reef is substantial If we were talking coins, I would say the condition is "fine". If we are talking sails, the sail is in very good shape. It was only used for several years by a little old racer who went out on weekends. The sail was kept stored out of the sun, and put away nicely when racing was finished. Don't know the best transfer method, but I would assume something like UPS. Would have to figure out how to box it up. Are you interested? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Be(half Of Mark Cosens Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Hi Charlie Thanks so much for digging them out. Very excited over a guy who has TWO cal 25 mains in his back seat. If I wasn't so far away I'd be right over to help. I do still have my battens as they weren't in the bag when I lost the sail, but they are not full battens. Thanks for your advise and I look forward to hearing back after you have had a look at the sails. Cheers, Mark From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Mark, the power to my self-store place is still out, but I was finally able to get in today. So taking the steps with some emergency lighting I dug out a couple CAL 25 mains. They are now in the back seat of my car. I hope to have time to unfold them and take photos this evening. I need to look them over, anyway. Also need to check status of battens I might have around, although battens are readily made. A few notes: Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not have the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew fitting. The sail makers started getting happy on big roach sails (rule beaters) some years ago. (The same thing happened with droopy boom mains in a previous generation - always sold as the next great advance in sail making.). The big roaches make the sail bind on the backstay when tacking in light air. It is possible to shorten the top batten a few inches, and to use a very flexible (soft) batten for that slot. (We now have midgirth measurements to help overcome this.) Cheers

Hi Charlie Just checking to see if you got the email I sent to you directly. Looking forward to hearing from you, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Mark, I have you a good CAL 25 main. Specs are: - Cloth, sliders, and stitching all in very good shape - All battens in place (this is a shorter batten design) - Bolt rope bottom that slides into boom - Single reef (hope that's OK), but reef is substantial If we were talking coins, I would say the condition is "fine". If we are talking sails, the sail is in very good shape. It was only used for several years by a little old racer who went out on weekends. The sail was kept stored out of the sun, and put away nicely when racing was finished. Don't know the best transfer method, but I would assume something like UPS. Would have to figure out how to box it up. Are you interested? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Be(half Of Mark Cosens Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Hi Charlie Thanks so much for digging them out. Very excited over a guy who has TWO cal 25 mains in his back seat. If I wasn't so far away I'd be right over to help. I do still have my battens as they weren't in the bag when I lost the sail, but they are not full battens. Thanks for your advise and I look forward to hearing back after you have had a look at the sails. Cheers, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark) Mark, the power to my self-store place is still out, but I was finally able to get in today. So taking the steps with some emergency lighting I dug out a couple CAL 25 mains. They are now in the back seat of my car. I hope to have time to unfold them and take photos this evening. I need to look them over, anyway. Also need to check status of battens I might have around, although battens are readily made. A few notes: Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not have the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew fitting. The sail makers started getting happy on big roach sails (rule beaters) some years ago. (The same thing happened with droopy boom mains in a previous generation - always sold as the next great advance in sail making.). The big roaches make the sail bind on the backstay when tacking in light air. It is possible to shorten the top batten a few inches, and to use a very flexible (soft) batten for that slot. (We now have midgirth measurements to help overcome this.) Cheers

Charlie....if Mark does buy a sail from you may I suggest US postal service ground shipment. The couriers especially UPS will charge up too 75 dollars for "brokerage fees" at the border payable by the receiver. Got caught on this twice, always a different fee as well. Got a Morse controller send to me via USPS and it cost 27 all in by the sender. Shipping weight was 5lbs in a 2X12x17 inch box for example. Alternatively expect to be in the region by month end, so I can bring it home by car. Mark is about 20 minutes from me in the next town. So that is also an option should Mark be interested As someone on this list said to me, "I have no skin in this game, just the middleman" ....:) Gee wonder who that was...:) Best regards /ch On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > Mark, I have you a good CAL 25 main. Specs are:**** > > ** ** > > - Cloth, sliders, and stitching all in very good shape**** > > - All battens in place (this is a shorter batten design)**** > > - Bolt rope bottom that slides into boom**** > > - Single reef (hope that’s OK), but reef is substantial**** > > ** ** > > If we were talking coins, I would say the condition is “fine”. If we are > talking sails, the sail is in very good shape. It was only used for several > years by a little old racer who went out on weekends. The sail was kept > stored out of the sun, and put away nicely when racing was finished.**** > > ** ** > > Don’t know the best transfer method, but I would assume something like > UPS. Would have to figure out how to box it up.**** > > ** ** > > Are you interested?**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Charlie**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Be(half Of *Mark Cosens > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:35 AM > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark)**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > Hi Charlie**** > > Thanks so much for digging them out. Very excited over a guy who has TWO > cal 25 mains in his back seat. If I wasn't so far away I'd be right over to > help. I do still have my battens as they weren't in the bag when I lost the > sail, but they are not full battens. Thanks for your advise and I look > forward to hearing back after you have had a look at the sails.**** > > Cheers,**** > > Mark**** > > **** > > **** > > ----- Original Message ----- **** > > *From:* Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> **** > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com **** > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:18 AM**** > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] CAL 25 Main sail (Mark)**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Mark, the power to my self-store place is still out, but I was finally able > to get in today. So taking the steps with some emergency lighting I dug > out a couple CAL 25 mains. They are now in the back seat of my car. I hope > to have time to unfold them and take photos this evening. I need to look > them over, anyway. Also need to check status of battens I might have > around, although battens are readily made. A few notes:**** > > Watch out for generic used sails that might fit. They probably do not have > the proper sliders for the luff, or the proper slug at the clew fitting.** > ** > > The sail makers started getting happy on big roach sails (rule beaters) > some years ago. (The same thing happened with droopy boom mains in a > previous generation – always sold as the next great advance in sail > making.). The big roaches make the sail bind on the backstay when tacking > in light air. It is possible to shorten the top batten a few inches, and to > use a very flexible (soft) batten for that slot. (We now have midgirth > measurements to help overcome this.)**** > > Cheers**** > > > > > -- /ch