15 messages2011-09-10 23:57 UTCthrough 2011-09-18 07:35 UTC
anchor light
r good2011-09-10 23:57 UTC
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
reggie
Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
chris1232011-09-11 02:32 UTC
Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead
anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more
effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You
can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or
elsewhere.
I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end.
Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see
the boat for miles.
reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in
transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
Best of luck.
/ch
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out
> in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do
> any better/.,\
> reggie
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/ch
RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)2011-09-11 11:51 UTC
Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
I've always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won't bounce off the mast or anything like that.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
Best of luck.
/ch
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com>> wrote:
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
reggie
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/ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
chris1232011-09-11 15:03 UTC
Comments in line.....
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <
hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
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> Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower
> lamp sort of does not provide.
>
Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light
from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least
work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the
> masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air
> instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use
> a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard.
> Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp
> won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers****
>
> Charlie****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *chris123
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light****
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> Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead
> anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more
> effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You
> can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or
> elsewhere.
>
> I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end.
> Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see
> the boat for miles.
>
> reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
>
> I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in
> transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> /ch****
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:****
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> So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out
> in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do
> any better/.,\
> reggie****
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Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Rich Beliveau2011-09-11 15:14 UTC
We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
Rich
On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Comments in line.....
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> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
>
>
> Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
>
>
> Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
>
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>
>
> I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
>
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>
> Cheers
>
> Charlie
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> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
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> Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
>
> I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
>
> reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
>
> I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> /ch
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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> So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
> reggie
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Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
chris1232011-09-11 18:28 UTC
Perhaps these two references may be of help:
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/*USCG*MinReq.pdf
My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
/ch
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible
> so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year
> coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor
> light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the
> boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps
> the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Comments in line.....
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> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <<hu… [at] bah.com>
> hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower
>> lamp sort of does not provide.
>>
>
> Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light
> from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least
> work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
>
>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the
>> masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air
>> instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use
>> a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard.
>> Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp
>> won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cheers****
>>
>> Charlie****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
>> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *chris123
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
>> *To:* <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>
>> Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead
>> anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more
>> effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You
>> can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end.
>> Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see
>> the boat for miles.
>>
>> reg: <http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/>
>> http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
>>
>> I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while
>> in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> /ch****
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good < <my… [at] hotmail.com>
>> my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> ** **
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>> So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out
>> in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do
>> any better/.,\
>> reggie****
>>
>> ** **
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Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Helen Horn2011-09-12 01:14 UTC
those bayonet bulbs are pinched into connection, they can actually be knocked
loose in heavy seas, when I get up to the masthead tri, I will reinvent that
mess on my boat . Helen (or when it comes down to me. ) I forget the company
who made our particular one. Don't know why I didn't kick it around a few times
before we had it installed.
From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com>
To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 10, 2011 4:57:05 PM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a
masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any
better/.,\
reggie
RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Jim Ives2011-09-12 03:08 UTC
Greetings everyone,,,
I like to comment on the masthead and anchor light conversation.
It is from my understanding that sailboats at night require a masthead light along with your nav lights to be on between sunset and sunrise. Isn't the mast head light most generally affixed to the front of the mast determined by the designers/engineers of our great vessels for maximum range for visibility? If the light that you are jury rigging meets visibility requirements, that should be ok. All vessels, have masthead lights so as the oncoming vessel can determine the size of the vessel, especially if it is a tug towing or pushing barges, large commercial vessels. These rules apply to all inland waters of the US inside of the demarcation lines on the charts.
Anchor lights are to be used for anchoring only, not to be used as masthead lights. The only time an anchor light is not required, is when your moored in a designated safe anchorage area designated on the charts.
If you want to hang a light from one of the stays for and anchor light, that would work in a pinch. If your in a pinch for a masthead light, it might work as well, but that is a gray area and I would expect different opinions from whoever you talk to at the CG. Best thing to do is to have everything in good working order, but again be prepared to have a back-up plan.
Safe sailing!
Jim Ives
Rochester, NY
Cal 2-29 Kool Beans
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: ch… [at] gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Perhaps these two references may be of help:
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
/ch
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
Rich
On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Comments in line.....
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
Best of luck.
/ch
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
reggie
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/ch
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RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
david dobbs2011-09-12 03:50 UTC
Jim,
Don't confuse the anchor light, which is a 360 white light for use while anchored with a steaming light, 270, I think, used when a sailboat is under power, mounted forward on the mast, usually somewhere near the spreaders. Also you are required to have a stern light, white, while sailing or under power. Small powerboats usually have a 360 white light mounted atop the cabin or on a short mast. Some sailboats opt for a masthead tri-color, which gives them a red/green forward with white stern while sailing, but doesn't meet the need for a steaming light forward if under power. My preference is for running lights close to the water, they are less likely to be lost in shoreline clutter.
David Dobbs, CAL29 411
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM
Greetings everyone,,,
I like to comment on the masthead and anchor light conversation.
It is from my understanding that sailboats at night require a masthead light along with your nav lights to be on between sunset and sunrise. Isn't the mast head light most generally affixed to the front of the mast determined by the designers/engineers of our great vessels for maximum range for visibility? If the light that you are jury rigging meets visibility requirements, that should be ok. All vessels, have masthead lights so as the oncoming vessel can determine the size of the vessel, especially if it is a tug towing or pushing barges, large commercial vessels. These rules apply to all inland waters of the US inside of the demarcation lines on the charts.
Anchor lights are to be used for anchoring only, not to be used as masthead lights. The only time an anchor light is not required, is when your moored in a designated safe anchorage area designated on the charts.
If you want to hang a light from one of the stays for and anchor light, that would work in a pinch. If your in a pinch for a masthead light, it might work as well, but that is a gray area and I would expect different opinions from whoever you talk to at the CG. Best thing to do is to have everything in good working order, but again be prepared to have a back-up plan.
Safe sailing!
Jim Ives
Rochester, NY
Cal 2-29 Kool Beans
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: ch… [at] gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Perhaps these two references may be of help:
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
/ch
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
Rich
On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Comments in line.....
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
Best of luck.
/ch
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
reggie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
Jim Ives2011-09-12 04:05 UTC
Hi Dave!
I was assuming that everyone was aware that the anchor light should be mounted on top of the mast, but then again, if you have a 360 white light hanging where it is visible, it really doen't matter. You are absoulty correct in your additional statements below.
Jim Ives - Kool Beans
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: tm… [at] yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:50:18 -0700
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
Jim,
Don't confuse the anchor light, which is a 360 white light for use while anchored with a steaming light, 270, I think, used when a sailboat is under power, mounted forward on the mast, usually somewhere near the spreaders. Also you are required to have a stern light, white, while sailing or under power. Small powerboats usually have a 360 white light mounted atop the cabin or on a short mast. Some sailboats opt for a masthead tri-color, which gives them a red/green forward with white stern while sailing, but doesn't meet the need for a steaming light forward if under power. My preference is for running lights close to the water, they are less likely to be lost in shoreline clutter.
David Dobbs, CAL29 411
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM
Greetings everyone,,,
I like to comment on the masthead and anchor light conversation.
It is from my understanding that sailboats at night require a masthead light along with your nav lights to be on between sunset and sunrise. Isn't the mast head light most generally affixed to the front of the mast determined by the designers/engineers of our great vessels for maximum range for visibility? If the light that you are jury rigging meets visibility requirements, that should be ok. All vessels, have masthead lights so as the oncoming vessel can determine the size of the vessel, especially if it is a tug towing or pushing barges, large commercial vessels. These rules apply to all inland waters of the US inside of the demarcation lines on the charts.
Anchor lights are to be used for anchoring only, not to be used as masthead lights. The only time an anchor light is not required, is when your moored in a designated safe anchorage area designated on the charts.
If you want to hang a light from one of the stays for and anchor light, that would work in a pinch. If your in a pinch for a masthead light, it might work as well, but that is a gray area and I would expect different opinions from whoever you talk to at the CG. Best thing to do is to have everything in good working order, but again be prepared to have a back-up plan.
Safe sailing!
Jim Ives
Rochester, NY
Cal 2-29 Kool Beans
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: ch… [at] gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Perhaps these two references may be of help:
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
/ch
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
Rich
On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Comments in line.....
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
Best of luck.
/ch
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
reggie
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/ch
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/ch
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Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light(David Dobbs)
Gerald Sobel2011-09-12 04:48 UTC
David,
I can't resist once again the opportunity for everyone in the group to throw rotten veggies at me for what I'm about to say, but, I use a stern 360 white light with my masthead tricolor when steaming. This is because such a little mast head 360 light is permissible for small boats, and, with a top speed of 5+ knots under power or sail, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference anyway, as I'd be trying to keep out of the way of shipping, or, if a ship was bearing down on me, I wouldn't have enough speed to get out of his way, anyway. Actually, I discussed this proposition with the Coast Guard in L.A. Harbor, and they agreed with me, even if it isn't in the books. Of course, nowadays, with my tricolor's bulb dead, I've been using a battery powered bi color flashlight clamped to my pulpit, and a man overboard 360 clamped to my stern stantion with which to sneak into the marina passed the C.G. and Harbor Patrol Boats at sunset after our weekday evening race.
Back to anchoring lights, I've notice folks using those garden path lights as anchoring lights. You can pick one up at the 99cent store lately, for guess what?,,,, 99cents. One guy ties his to his back stay, as high as he can reach.
Jerry Sobel
PS: to quote Minney's website motto: "We make boating affordable" Also, I've heard ship captains say they prefer sailboats use pulpit level nav lights, as mast heads are likely to disappear in the shore side light clutter, vs. low mounted lights easier to see against the dark ocean. Makes sense. Of course, out at sea in steep swells it might be a different story, with mastheads continuously visible, while deck mounted lights would disappear behind the waves, as do marker buoys, at least, from my low vantage point.
From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
Jim,
Don't confuse the anchor light, which is a 360 white light for use while anchored with a steaming light, 270, I think, used when a sailboat is under power, mounted forward on the mast, usually somewhere near the spreaders. Also you are required to have a stern light, white, while sailing or under power. Small powerboats usually have a 360 white light mounted atop the cabin or on a short mast. Some sailboats opt for a masthead tri-color, which gives them a red/green forward with white stern while sailing, but doesn't meet the need for a steaming light forward if under power. My preference is for running lights close to the water, they are less likely to be lost in shoreline clutter.
David Dobbs, CAL29 411
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM
>
>
>
>Greetings everyone,,,
>
>I like to comment on the masthead and anchor light conversation.
>
>It is from my understanding that sailboats at night require a masthead light along with your nav lights to be on between sunset and sunrise. Isn't the mast head light most generally affixed to the front of the mast determined by the designers/engineers of our great vessels for maximum range for visibility? If the light that you are jury rigging meets visibility requirements, that should be ok. All vessels, have masthead lights so as the oncoming vessel can determine the size of the vessel, especially if it is a tug towing or pushing barges, large commercial vessels. These rules apply to all inland waters of the US inside of the demarcation lines on the charts.
>
>Anchor lights are to be used for anchoring only, not to be used as masthead lights. The only time an anchor light is not required, is when your moored in a designated safe anchorage area designated on the charts.
>
>If you want to hang a light from one of the stays for and anchor light, that would work in a pinch. If your in a pinch for a masthead light, it might work as well, but that is a gray area and I would expect different opinions from whoever you talk to at the CG. Best thing to do is to have everything in good working order, but again be prepared to have a back-up plan.
>
>Safe sailing!
>
>Jim Ives
>Rochester, NY
>
>Cal 2-29 Kool Beans
>________________________________
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>From: ch… [at] gmail.com
>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>
>
>Perhaps these two references may be of help:
>
>http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
>
>www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
>
>My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
>
>/ch
>
>
>
>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Comments in line.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
>>>
>>>Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
>>>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
>>>>
>>>>reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
>>>>
>>>>I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
>>>>
>>>>Best of luck.
>>>>
>>>>/ch
>>>>On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
>>>>reggie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>/ch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>/ch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>--
>/ch
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Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
mike farrell2011-09-12 10:12 UTC
Anchor lights are needed as required when anchored in a non specified place of anchorage. The requirment does not specify where on the vessel the white 360 degree light must be displayed. In former times a kerosene lamp attached to the forestay of my sailboat was and still is adequate to provide safety and compliance. A light so displayed is visible from 360 degrees around your boat. A vessel under sail at night need display a red light visible forward and a green light also visible forward, a white light is displayed aft. As a personal choice I set my running lights just above deck level as a masthead tricolor is not easily seen at night in inland waters where I am most interested in being seen. There is no requirment for any light to be displayed at the masthead by any sailing vessel. If in doubt consult colregs and inland rules.
My Best, Mike Farrell
From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com>
To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
Hi Dave! I was assuming that everyone was aware that the anchor light should be mounted on top of the mast, but then again, if you have a 360 white light hanging where it is visible, it really doen't matter. You are absoulty correct in your additional statements below. Jim Ives - Kool Beans
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: tm… [at] yahoo.comDate: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:50:18 -0700Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
Jim,
Don't confuse the anchor light, which is a 360 white light for use while anchored with a steaming light, 270, I think, used when a sailboat is under power, mounted forward on the mast, usually somewhere near the spreaders. Also you are required to have a stern light, white, while sailing or under power. Small powerboats usually have a 360 white light mounted atop the cabin or on a short mast. Some sailboats opt for a masthead tri-color, which gives them a red/green forward with white stern while sailing, but doesn't meet the need for a steaming light forward if under power. My preference is for running lights close to the water, they are less likely to be lost in shoreline clutter.
David Dobbs, CAL29 411
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>Greetings everyone,,, I like to comment on the masthead and anchor light conversation. It is from my understanding that sailboats at night require a masthead light along with your nav lights to be on between sunset and sunrise. Isn't the mast head light most generally affixed to the front of the mast determined by the designers/engineers of our great vessels for maximum range for visibility? If the light that you are jury rigging meets visibility requirements, that should be ok. All vessels, have masthead lights so as the oncoming vessel can determine the size of the vessel, especially if it is a tug towing or pushing barges, large commercial vessels. These rules apply to all inland waters of the US inside of the demarcation lines on the charts. Anchor lights are to be used for anchoring only, not to be used as masthead lights. The only time an anchor light is not required, is when your moored in a designated safe anchorage area
designated on the charts. If you want to hang a light from one of the stays for and anchor light, that would work in a pinch. If your in a pinch for a masthead light, it might work as well, but that is a gray area and I would expect different opinions from whoever you talk to at the CG. Best thing to do is to have everything in good working order, but again be prepared to have a back-up plan. Safe sailing! Jim IvesRochester, NY
>Cal 2-29 Kool Beans To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ch… [at] gmail.comDate: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:54 -0400Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>Perhaps these two references may be of help:http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.phpwww.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
>
>My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
>
>/ch
>
>
>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic. Rich
>>On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Comments in line.....
>>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
>>>Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
>>>Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
>>>
>>>>I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
>>>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
>>>>
>>>>reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
>>>>
>>>>I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
>>>>
>>>>Best of luck.
>>>>
>>>>/ch
>>>>On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
>>>>reggie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>/ch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- /ch-- /ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
chris1232011-09-12 12:58 UTC
Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light(Jerry)
david dobbs2011-09-12 22:42 UTC
Jerry,
I will probably take my mast down in a week or so, when I will re-wire my steaming light, deck light and wind instrument. Then the mast goes on the rack, the boat goes to the yard and we get ready for cold weather. Now I have to work on my xc skis, getting ready for the season. They say colder and more snow this winter here. YaHOO!
David Dobbs, CAL29 411
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light(David Dobbs)
To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 11:48 PM
David,I can't resist once again the opportunity for everyone in the group to throw rotten veggies at me for what I'm about to say, but, I use a stern 360 white light with my masthead tricolor when steaming. This is because such a little mast head 360 light is permissible for small boats, and, with a top speed of 5+ knots under power or sail, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference anyway, as I'd be trying to keep out of the way of shipping, or, if a ship was bearing down on me, I wouldn't have enough speed to get out of his way, anyway. Actually, I discussed this proposition with the Coast Guard in L.A. Harbor, and they agreed with me, even if it isn't in the books. Of course, nowadays, with my tricolor's bulb dead, I've been using a battery powered bi color flashlight clamped to my pulpit,
and a man overboard 360 clamped to my stern stantion with which to sneak into the marina passed the C.G. and Harbor Patrol Boats at sunset after our weekday evening race.
Back to anchoring lights, I've notice folks using those garden path lights as anchoring lights. You can pick one up at the 99cent store lately, for guess what?,,,, 99cents. One guy ties his to his back stay, as high as he can reach.
Jerry SobelPS: to quote Minney's website motto: "We make boating affordable" Also, I've heard ship captains say they prefer sailboats use pulpit level nav lights, as mast heads are likely to disappear in the shore side light clutter, vs. low mounted lights easier to see against the dark ocean. Makes sense. Of course, out at sea in steep swells it might be a different story, with mastheads continuously visible, while deck mounted lights would disappear
behind the waves, as do marker buoys, at least, from my low vantage point.
From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor lightJim Ives)
Jim,
Don't confuse the anchor light, which is a 360 white light for use while anchored with a steaming light, 270, I think, used when a sailboat is under power, mounted forward on the mast, usually somewhere near the spreaders. Also you are required to have a stern light, white, while sailing or under power. Small powerboats usually have a 360 white light mounted atop the cabin or on a short mast. Some sailboats opt for a masthead tri-color, which gives them a red/green forward with white stern while sailing, but doesn't meet the need for a steaming light forward if under power. My preference is for running lights close to the water, they are less likely to be lost in shoreline clutter.
David Dobbs, CAL29 411
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM
Greetings everyone,,,
I like to comment on the masthead and anchor light conversation.
It is from my understanding that sailboats at night require a masthead light along with your nav lights to be on between sunset and sunrise. Isn't the mast head light most generally affixed to the front of the mast determined by the designers/engineers of our great vessels for maximum range for visibility? If the light that you are jury rigging meets visibility requirements, that should be ok. All vessels, have masthead lights so as the oncoming vessel can determine the size of the vessel, especially if it is a tug towing or pushing barges, large commercial vessels. These rules apply to all inland waters of the US inside of the demarcation lines on the charts.
Anchor lights are to be used for anchoring only, not to be used as masthead lights. The only time an anchor light is not required, is when your moored in a designated safe anchorage area designated on the charts.
If you want to hang a light from one of the stays for and anchor light, that would work in a pinch. If your in a pinch for a masthead light, it might work as well, but that is a gray area and I would expect different opinions from whoever you talk to at the CG. Best thing to do is to have everything in good working order, but again be prepared to have a back-up plan.
Safe sailing!
Jim Ives
Rochester, NY
Cal 2-29 Kool Beans
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
From: ch… [at] gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Perhaps these two references may be of help:
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
/ch
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
Rich
On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Comments in line.....
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
Best of luck.
/ch
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
reggie
--
/ch
--
/ch
--
/ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
John Courter2011-09-18 07:35 UTC
I'm curious, has anyone found an official document or response that an anchor light in the rigging is not legal? I found a reference to much older rules that described the anchor light in the rigging. If it is not legal then your masthead steaming light obscured by the rolled up jib isn't legal. How can the anchor lights described for a large vessel ever be legal? The mast for the higher forward anchor light will obscure the lower aft anchor light. Annapolis Book of Seamanship states that a light on top of the mast or a light hanging from the headstay are the options for anchoring lights.
For a perfect point source, if my light is 10 feet away from my mast that's 2 degrees obscured. My boat can't swing at anchor more than +/-1 degree for me not to be seen. At 1000 feet out the other vessel only has to travel 35 feet sideways to be able to see the light. At 15 feet away from the mast it's only +/-0.6 degrees.
John
From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
Perhaps these two references may be of help:
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php
www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc_files/USCGMinReq.pdf
My read is that you do not require the light to be placed on the masthead.
/ch
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rich Beliveau <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>We have this issue with the cg all the time. It has to be 360 dgr visible so hanging lights don't qualify. I almost ran a 41 Morgan over last year coming back from a night dive. He was properly lit with a top mast anchor light that blends wonderfully with the stars. Thank god for good toys on the boat as I picked him up on radar. I run 2 lights (not legal) but it keeps the cg off your back. One proper, one realistic.
>
>Rich
>
>
>
>
>On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Comments in line.....
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris, I think the US law says 360 degree visibility, which the lower lamp sort of does not provide.
>>
>>Misunderstanding I think Charlie...was suggesting a separate anchor light from Bebe Electronics or similar as the immediate solution as its the least work. Can be hung from anywhere as long as it meets USCG requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I’ve always thought it asinine that anchor lights should be at the masthead. One is riding around an anchorage looking 40-50 feet into the air instead of paying attention to hulls in the water that one could ram. I use a lower hanging lamp as well. Attach a feeder line to it and a halyard. Run it yp a ways, and then tie the feeder out far enough that the lamp won’t bounce off the mast or anything like that.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Charlie
>>>
>>>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:33 PM
>>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] anchor light
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Corrosion in the fitting shorting out the bulb. You dont need a Masthead anchor light by law, A light that illuminates the cockpit is far more effective in terms of safety at night as the visible shape is larger. You can get many lights (I would go LED...and
run it up the back stay or elsewhere.
>>>
>>>I use the bebe electronics light with a 15 ft wire and cigarette male end. Uses next to nothing I run it up 1/2 to the spreaders with a line. Can see the boat for miles.
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>>>reg: http://www.yachtmollymawk.com/2009/11/led-anchor-lights/
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>>>I would not waste my money on getting the mast head light replaced while in transit. Do next time you go up the mast, or the mast comes down.
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>>>Best of luck.
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>>>/ch
>>>On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>So, why would a 5watt small bayonet base bulb and its replacement burn out in a masthead anchor light and could a 10 watt replacement be expected to do any better/.,\
>>>reggie
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