Liner

About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from the fiberglass. Has anyone mananged to rettach the liner and its backing and if so what adhesive did they use? I can get in behind the liner at the dorades but only by about 1 inch when I pull down gently. Ideas...

On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: > > About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 > Cal 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the > liner you see backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume > that yhere was some leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its > backing to pull away from the fiberglass. > It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a cored deck, it is serious. Chris Campbell

My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the mast. It is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl covered hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the deck and designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed years ago due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the headliner completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and that this helps you! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: >About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal 33 >has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see backed >by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some leakage at >the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from the >fiberglass. > It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a cored deck, it is serious. Chris Campbell

In case I have not shared this, I tried most everything you can think of to stop the leak around the mast on Papoose. Hose clamps, $50 stretchy stuff, caulking. By far the best product to stop the leak is duct tape. You need to cover it to keep the sun off. Here is how it looks finished http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg <http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg>You can't see the duct tape underneath. Allen On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the mast. It > is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl covered > hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the deck and > designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed years ago > due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the headliner > completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. > > The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to > hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like > the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some > minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates > echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing > headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be > able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace > them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat > from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I > used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile > and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the > stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed > from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged > headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. > > I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot > held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after > installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast > at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and > that this helps you! > > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > > *"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner > > > > On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: > > > > About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal > 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see > backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some > leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from > the fiberglass. > > > It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference > to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck > core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it > really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not > serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a > cored deck, it is serious. > > Chris Campbell > > >

Allen, Your use of duct tape brings to mind my first experience with duct tape. I was in the USAF, 1961-1965, and at my real duty station was introduced to what we called air force green tape. That stuff would stick to anything forever. We used it for everything. It was much superior to the stuff you see nowadays. I don't know, but I bet it cost a bundle then, when there was no civilian counterpart. I'd like to get a couple of rolls now! Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner (JimO) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 2:41 PM In case I have not shared this, I tried most everything you can think of to stop the leak around the mast on Papoose. Hose clamps, $50 stretchy stuff, caulking. By far the best product to stop the leak is duct tape. You need to cover it to keep the sun off. Here is how it looks finished http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg You can't see the duct tape underneath. Allen On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the mast. It is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl covered hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the deck and designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed years ago due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the headliner completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and that this helps you! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from the fiberglass. It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a cored deck, it is serious. Chris Campbell

I was just thinking that in my post I did not specify what kind of duct tape I used. It was the most expensive duct tape that Home depot had. It has all kinds of certification numbers stamped all over it and is nothing at all like cheap duct tape. You cannot rip it for example. I wonder if anyone is selling air force green tape? Allen On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > Your use of duct tape brings to mind my first experience with duct tape. I > was in the USAF, 1961-1965, and at my real duty station was introduced to > what we called air force green tape. That stuff would stick to anything > forever. We used it for everything. It was much superior to the stuff you > see nowadays. I don't know, but I bet it cost a bundle then, when there was > no civilian counterpart. I'd like to get a couple of rolls now! > Regards, > David Dobbs Cal29 411 > > --- On *Sun, 4/24/11, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner (JimO) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 2:41 PM > > > In case I have not shared this, I tried most everything you can think of to > stop the leak around the mast on Papoose. Hose clamps, $50 stretchy stuff, > caulking. By far the best product to stop the leak is duct tape. You need > to cover it to keep the sun off. Here is how it looks finished > http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg > <http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg>You can't > see the duct tape underneath. > > Allen > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > wrote: > > > My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the > mast. It is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl > covered hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the > deck and designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed > years ago due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the > headliner completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. > > The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to > hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like > the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some > minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates > echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing > headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be > able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace > them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat > from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I > used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile > and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the > stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed > from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged > headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. > > I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot > held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after > installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast > at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and > that this helps you! > > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > > *"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cc… [at] lsnm.org> > > > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>" > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner > > > On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: > > > About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal > 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see > backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some > leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from > the fiberglass. > > > It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference > to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck > core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it > really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not > serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a > cored deck, it is serious. > > Chris Campbell > > > >

used to have some tape in the Air Force referred to as Mach II tape. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:27:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast Tape(Allen) I was just thinking that in my post I did not specify what kind of duct tape I used. It was the most expensive duct tape that Home depot had. It has all kinds of certification numbers stamped all over it and is nothing at all like cheap duct tape. You cannot rip it for example. I wonder if anyone is selling air force green tape? Allen On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Allen, Your use of duct tape brings to mind my first experience with duct tape. I was in the USAF, 1961-1965, and at my real duty station was introduced to what we called air force green tape. That stuff would stick to anything forever. We used it for everything. It was much superior to the stuff you see nowadays. I don't know, but I bet it cost a bundle then, when there was no civilian counterpart. I'd like to get a couple of rolls now! Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner (JimO) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 2:41 PM In case I have not shared this, I tried most everything you can think of to stop the leak around the mast on Papoose. Hose clamps, $50 stretchy stuff, caulking. By far the best product to stop the leak is duct tape. You need to cover it to keep the sun off. Here is how it looks finished http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg You can't see the duct tape underneath. Allen On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the mast. It is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl covered hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the deck and designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed years ago due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the headliner completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and that this helps you! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from the fiberglass. It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a cored deck, it is serious. Chris Campbell

I read it used to be called 100 mph tape, then 500 mph tape. Now... Mach II. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > used to have some tape in the Air Force referred to as Mach II tape. > Reggie > > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:27:11 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast Tape(Allen) > > > I was just thinking that in my post I did not specify what kind of duct > tape I used. It was the most expensive duct tape that Home depot had. It > has all kinds of certification numbers stamped all over it and is nothing at > all like cheap duct tape. You cannot rip it for example. > > I wonder if anyone is selling air force green tape? > > Allen > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Allen, > Your use of duct tape brings to mind my first experience with duct tape. I > was in the USAF, 1961-1965, and at my real duty station was introduced to > what we called air force green tape. That stuff would stick to anything > forever. We used it for everything. It was much superior to the stuff you > see nowadays. I don't know, but I bet it cost a bundle then, when there was > no civilian counterpart. I'd like to get a couple of rolls now! > Regards, > David Dobbs Cal29 411 > > --- On *Sun, 4/24/11, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner (JimO) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 2:41 PM > > > In case I have not shared this, I tried most everything you can think of to > stop the leak around the mast on Papoose. Hose clamps, $50 stretchy stuff, > caulking. By far the best product to stop the leak is duct tape. You need > to cover it to keep the sun off. Here is how it looks finished > http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg > <http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg>You can't > see the duct tape underneath. > > Allen > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > wrote: > > > My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the > mast. It is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl > covered hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the > deck and designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed > years ago due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the > headliner completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. > > The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to > hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like > the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some > minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates > echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing > headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be > able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace > them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat > from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I > used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile > and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the > stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed > from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged > headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. > > I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot > held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after > installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast > at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and > that this helps you! > > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > > *"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cc… [at] lsnm.org> > > > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>" > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner > > > On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: > > > About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal > 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see > backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some > leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from > the fiberglass. > > > It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference > to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck > core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it > really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not > serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a > cored deck, it is serious. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > >

I knew an Army guy who called it hundred mile an hour tape. He said they could tow a trailer at high speed with just the tape, no hitch ball. Just strap it on. I understand the stuff has a third (and maybe fourth) weave(s) on the diagonal. Have to cut it. Careful, Allen. This might be the 3M 5200 of tapes. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:34 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Mast Tape(Allen) used to have some tape in the Air Force referred to as Mach II tape. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:27:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast Tape(Allen) I was just thinking that in my post I did not specify what kind of duct tape I used. It was the most expensive duct tape that Home depot had. It has all kinds of certification numbers stamped all over it and is nothing at all like cheap duct tape. You cannot rip it for example. I wonder if anyone is selling air force green tape? Allen On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:tm… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Allen, Your use of duct tape brings to mind my first experience with duct tape. I was in the USAF, 1961-1965, and at my real duty station was introduced to what we called air force green tape. That stuff would stick to anything forever. We used it for everything. It was much superior to the stuff you see nowadays. I don't know, but I bet it cost a bundle then, when there was no civilian counterpart. I'd like to get a couple of rolls now! Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner (JimO) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 2:41 PM In case I have not shared this, I tried most everything you can think of to stop the leak around the mast on Papoose. Hose clamps, $50 stretchy stuff, caulking. By far the best product to stop the leak is duct tape. You need to cover it to keep the sun off. Here is how it looks finished http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg <http://l-36.com/display_pic.php?pic_name=cabintop/finished.jpg>You can't see the duct tape underneath. Allen On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dn… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote: My 1986 Cal 33-2 does not have a "liner" near the bulkhead by the mast. It is a plywood cored deck with a "headliner" made of a white vinyl covered hardboard screwed to the wood strips that cross the inside of the deck and designed to cover the un-gelcoated inner fiberglass. Mine failed years ago due to leakage around the mast boot and I plan to re-do the headliner completely when we get the boat up here to Oregon. The headliner has absolutely no structural component and is strictly to hide the fasteners and fiberglass from the eye when in the cabin just like the headliner in a car hides the raw metal from view. It also gives some minor insulation benefit and sound quality to the cabin that eliminates echo. There have been several discussions on this site about replacing headliners. The most important factor is removability as you need to be able to get to deck hardware through bolts in order to service or replace them. I also had to cover my headliner near the bulkhead to keep the heat from the diesel heater mounted on the bulkhead from damaging the vinyl. I used a sheet of 1/16" stainless mounted to a piece of backing board for tile and separated by two 1/2" bolt nuts as spacers to give air flow around the stainless. This worked extremely well and the headliner that was removed from behind this shield showed no damage. Unlike the water damaged headliner by the mast which simply fell apart. I have successfully stopped the leakage at the mast by using a rubber boot held on by two very large hose clamps and caulked before and after installation and with caulk generously applied in the channels of the mast at the top of the boot. Hope this is the problem that you are having and that this helps you! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cc… [at] lsnm.org>> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 6:15:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Liner On 4/19/2011 6:23 PM, JimO wrote: About 4 sq feet of the hull liner near the forward bulkhead on my 1987 Cal 33 has pulled awar from the deck. Most of it appears to be the liner you see backed by maybe plywood or some other board. I assume that yhere was some leakage at the mast which caused the liner and its backing to pull away from the fiberglass. It's hard to tell what's going on from your description, but your reference to "plywood or some other board" makes me wonder if you don't have a deck core problem, which we have been talking about on another thread. If it really is just some sort of vinyl covering on the overhead, that's not serious, but if it's the fiberglass skin that forms the inside portion of a cored deck, it is serious. Chris Campbell

Liner The liner in the main cabin of my Cal 33-2 has separated from the interior of the deck port and aft of the mast. This is probably due to moister from around the mast at some earlier time. Has anyone made a repair on something like this? I am considering slipping 1/6 bu1" wood in above the liner at the point where the dorade comes through. I would put liquid nail or some form of epoxy on both sides of the wood and then build something to keep upward pressure on the liner until it bonds to the interior of the deck. Does this sound feasible or does someone have a better idea? Jim OC

We have a similar situation on our cal as well. Not bad enough to correct at this time, but I am in the planning, material gathering stages. The cal is notorious for leaking dorades. The "bottom" is just filled in with a piece of glass panel and tends to leak over time. Make an effort to epoxy this joint from the bottom and inside to correct this potential leak. I will be using the FRP wall panels for my headliner replacement. I think OT will look the best and still be removed to access the deck hardware. Send photos of your project as you move forward, please. John Raxter Venture Construction 336-210-8073 (m) On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:25 AM, "JAMES OCONNOR" <ge… [at] msn.com> wrote: > Liner > > The liner in the main cabin of my Cal 33-2 has separated from the interior of the deck port and aft of the mast. This is probably due to moister from around the mast at some earlier time. Has anyone made a repair on something like this? > > I am considering slipping 1/6 bu1" wood in above the liner at the point where the dorade comes through. I would put liquid nail or some form of epoxy on both sides of the wood and then build something to keep upward pressure on the liner until it bonds to the interior of the deck. Does this sound feasible or does someone have a better idea? > > Jim OC >

Hi, I had the same problem with my 33-2 and was able to find the leak and stop it. This involves some work. I wish I had taken pictures back in 2004 when I did this. But I will try to verbally paint the picture. The Liner has to come down, first. Second you will see white plastic rectangles under each dorade vent area. This is where the leaks come from. They were not sealed correctly to the fiberglass during construction. I think all the 33-2s have this problem. These plastic rectangles are actually the floor of the dorade box, so any small openings where they have not been totally sealed will cause them to leak down onto the liner board. Any water that goes into the dorade vent will end up getting into your cabin. It caused a bad stain on my wooden bulkhead, mildew and water in the compartments above the settees, water in the book rack areas and always shad water in the bilge. It ruined one of the reading lights that is on the forward bulkhead. You will have to pull these white plastic rectangles off, scrap off the cheap adhesive that was originally used and then put it back up with 3M 4200 or 5200. (of course, if you use 5200, forget ever getting them off again. You have to find a piece of wood to jam between this plastic rectangle and the settee bunks or floor to hold the plastic rectangles up firm against the fiber glass deck material that is the structural part of the cabin ceiling. You will have to leave it up there for 2 to 3 days to make sure the bond is tight. To check and make sure there are no leaks, fill the dorade topside with water and then check below. Any leaks should have adhesive pushed forcefully into the holes with a large syringe or caulk gun. Also, check that a small hole on the outboard side of the dorade box is open so the water can drain out of the dorade box. I actually drilled a larger hole there to make sure the drain would stay open better. Taking the liner off, and replacing it is a chore. You will have to remove the moulding around the main cabin top hatch, the grab rails on each side of the ceiling and the mouling around the top of the forward bulkhead. The bulkhead is mahognany so remember to get that type of wood plug to cover the screw holes when you are finishing up the project. I took the old piece of board that provided the firmness to the liner and bought the exact same type of new board at Lowes. Used the old board as a template to cut the new board. The old board was rotten and mildewed beyond repair. But do not throw it away until you have used it as a template to cut the new board. Next, you can buy vinyl material just like what is currently there at a furniture repair store and, again, using the old piece as a template, cut a new piece that you can glue to the brown board. It is a lot like applying wall paper. Next, find two friends to hold it up to the ceiling while you replace all the moulding parts and grab rails. 8 years later I have not had any more leaks. My bilge is always dry. I did get a little carried away and replaced all the plastic retangular portholes on the boat with stainless steel ones from New Found Metals. I also replaced the dorade vents with stainless steel ones. This will cost around $2000 these days. I doubt that if you have a good mast boot that the leak is coming from there. The dorade box leaks are a design flaw and construction flaw, but over a two weekend you can fix it. It only takes 2 days, but need to let the sealant dry over a week, I would suggest. Feel free to contact me off list. I spent an entire winter, first diagnosing what was wrong, and then pondering the best way to fix it. Good Luck! Darr LaFon Cal 33-2, Alcyone II Annapolis, MD _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JAMES OCONNOR Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:25 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Liner Liner The liner in the main cabin of my Cal 33-2 has separated from the interior of the deck port and aft of the mast. This is probably due to moister from around the mast at some earlier time. Has anyone made a repair on something like this? I am considering slipping 1/6 bu1" wood in above the liner at the point where the dorade comes through. I would put liquid nail or some form of epoxy on both sides of the wood and then build something to keep upward pressure on the liner until it bonds to the interior of the deck. Does this sound feasible or does someone have a better idea? Jim OC