Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak

Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. Allen

Allan, I read the worst thing you can do to a diesel is to use it irregularly. So they write, beware of diesel engines with low hours. If you don't motor much, maybe all you need to do is give the old Atomic a once over so to speak. The virtue is that it will go back in without having to re do a lot of connections. On the otherhand if you plan on cruising the L 36 around the world and will be motoring long distances the diesel is the ticket, maybe. Jerry. PS the most important thing is that you enjoy the race, not whether you took first second or third. Of course, that is easier said than done. I had a great race yesterday but was bummed out when for the second time, the PO got my handicap all screwed up. So I probably got cheated out of first place in the Outlaw Regatta, and possibly second or third place in yesterday's Oktoberfest. One guy took 41 seconds of handicaps by flying a small jib, even tho it is a new Hunter 33, which typically flies a small jib (it has a huge mainsail), and he threw a little canvas over his cockpit. I on the otherhand, got no handicap adjustments at all because only one boat in the cruiser class flew a spinnaker, and he got dinged the non spin handicap for doing so, by subtracting that value, on his Catalina 42 (the club's Commodore), and the PO flatly refuse to acknowledge his errors. He was supposed to throw out all the non spin handicaps, but the only one whose handicap he tossed was mine, as well as the one for my 134% genny. Then there is a certain cruiser who sails with a sprayed on bottom, new sails, including a top of the line carbon North Genny. Grrrr!..and he is such a darn good sailor that he doesn't need any of it. Jerry I'm going to train our resident baby Great White to crew for me from under the boat...just for that...that is, if I ever get to see him. From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. Allen

Wow, Jerry. Sounds like you have some gripes there. If there was an error in the handicap you can protest the race committee. They would then have to have a hearing and rule before awarding the trophies. On the other hand, the handicap assumes smooth bottom jib and new sails, best money can buy. I think that a lot of sail makers make up the rules. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Allan, I read the worst thing you can do to a diesel is to use it > irregularly. So they write, beware of diesel engines with low hours. If you > don't motor much, maybe all you need to do is give the old Atomic a once > over so to speak. The virtue is that it will go back in without having to re > do a lot of connections. On the otherhand if you plan on cruising the L 36 > around the world and will be motoring long distances the diesel is the > ticket, maybe. > Jerry. > PS the most important thing is that you enjoy the race, not whether you > took first second or third. Of course, that is easier said than done. I had > a great race yesterday but was bummed out when for the second time, the PO > got my handicap all screwed up. So I probably got cheated out of first place > in the Outlaw Regatta, and possibly second or third place in yesterday's > Oktoberfest. One guy took 41 seconds of handicaps by flying a small jib, > even tho it is a new Hunter 33, which typically flies a small jib (it has a > huge mainsail), and he threw a little canvas over his cockpit. I on the > otherhand, got no handicap adjustments at all because only one boat in the > cruiser class flew a spinnaker, and he got dinged the non spin handicap for > doing so, by subtracting that value, on his Catalina 42 (the club's > Commodore), and the PO flatly refuse to acknowledge his errors. He was > supposed to throw out all the non spin handicaps, but the only one whose > handicap he tossed was mine, as well as the one for my 134% genny. Then > there is a certain cruiser who sails with a sprayed on bottom, new sails, > including a top of the line carbon North Genny. Grrrr!..and he is such a > darn good sailor that he doesn't need any of it. > Jerry > I'm going to train our resident baby Great White to crew for me from under > the boat...just for that...that is, if I ever get to see him. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2011 9:49 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak > > > Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first > and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the > last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 > to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the > slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that > won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a > spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current > maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If > you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in > question and we went away from shore (mistake). > http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting > that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. > > Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the > engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work > for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The > bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. > I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 > gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which > should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the > problem. > > The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old > as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things > is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than > 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every > in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the > Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know > what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone > who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? > But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had > anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. > > Allen > > > >

Allen, When I saw the preliminary results I went down to the race room and explain what had happened. The PO left the room after I explained the problem and I thought it was going to be a simple matter of making the corrections. Not so. They wanted the other skippers to go down an affirm the error, so I and another skipper rounded them up. Even that didn't work, when I was shocked an hour later to find out the PO didn't bother to correct the problem, and the secretary inputting the data to the computer refused to change anything without permission from the PO. Even the other skippers were surprised at what happened. Also, this is "cruiser class" racing, which is supposed to be in contrast with PHRF where the sky is the limit as far as spending money. It's supposed to be a venue which allows older boats which are not specially set up to race with race bottoms and carbon sails, and emptied of all miscellaneous cruising junk, to be competitive with each other. It would be like racing a real stock car as opposed to a racing 'stock car' which as you know, only looks stock. We have just as much fun as the PHRF guys without going as broke as fast. Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak Wow, Jerry. Sounds like you have some gripes there. If there was an error in the handicap you can protest the race committee. They would then have to have a hearing and rule before awarding the trophies. On the other hand, the handicap assumes smooth bottom jib and new sails, best money can buy. I think that a lot of sail makers make up the rules. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >Allan, I read the worst thing you can do to a diesel is to use it irregularly. So they write, beware of diesel engines with low hours. If you don't motor much, maybe all you need to do is give the old Atomic a once over so to speak. The virtue is that it will go back in without having to re do a lot of connections. On the otherhand if you plan on cruising the L 36 around the world and will be motoring long distances the diesel is the ticket, maybe. >Jerry. >PS the most important thing is that you enjoy the race, not whether you took first second or third. Of course, that is easier said than done. I had a great race yesterday but was bummed out when for the second time, the PO got my handicap all screwed up. So I probably got cheated out of first place in the Outlaw Regatta, and possibly second or third place in yesterday's Oktoberfest. One guy took 41 seconds of handicaps by flying a small jib, even tho it is a new Hunter 33, which typically flies a small jib (it has a huge mainsail), and he threw a little canvas over his cockpit. I on the otherhand, got no handicap adjustments at all because only one boat in the cruiser class flew a spinnaker, and he got dinged the non spin handicap for doing so, by subtracting that value, on his Catalina 42 (the club's Commodore), and the PO flatly refuse to acknowledge his errors. He was supposed to throw out all the non spin handicaps, but the only one whose handicap he tossed was mine, as well as the one for my 134% genny. Then there is a certain cruiser who sails with a sprayed on bottom, new sails, including a top of the line carbon North Genny. Grrrr!..and he is such a darn good sailor that he doesn't need any of it. >Jerry >I'm going to train our resident baby Great White to crew for me from under the boat...just for that...that is, if I ever get to see him. > > > > >________________________________ >From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:49 PM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak > > > > >Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. > > >Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. > > >The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. > > >Allen > >

Allen, I would be strongly inclined to remove the A-4 and do the necessary repairs, rebuild the A4 and slide it back in. Or, you ought to look into converting to electric propulsion since your needs fit that system's capabilities. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. Allen

It isn't an A-4 btw, it is a Gray Marine. And I checked my usage today and it is actually more like 28 hours a year. I was wondering about electric but I do need to have a 2 hour range and have been told that requires a lot of batteries. I don't need to go that fast and don't need to pound into seas. All things considered, keeping the engine and doing nothing is probably the right decision. I only need another 500 hours out of the engine ;-) If it breaks, I get towed and rebuild it. I am going to talk to my Gary Marine guy, Dave, and see if there is something I should do while the engine is out of the boat. I also need to check the compression but I think I did that and it was OK. I had the head off a couple of years ago and the cylinders looked new. The valves looked a bit lose. The oil pressure is fine now that I removed the filter, at Dave's recommendation. It runs great so the advice I am getting is to do nothing. This engine is old but it is no A-4, they are very heavy duty engines. Apparently it isn't that big a deal to get the engine out and back in. Just an hour of crane time - $200. The engine cover in the cockpit exposes the entire engine so you would not even have to tilt it to remove it, just lift straight up. I got an estimate today of 5 boat bucks for the repairs for that leak and the rudder shaft problem. That is the bigger hit. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Allen, > I would be strongly inclined to remove the A-4 and do the necessary > repairs, rebuild the A4 and slide it back in. Or, you ought to look into > converting to electric propulsion since your needs fit that system's > capabilities. > Regards, > David Dobbs Cal29 411 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 PM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak > > > Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first > and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the > last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 > to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the > slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that > won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a > spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current > maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If > you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in > question and we went away from shore (mistake). > http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting > that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. > > Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the > engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work > for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The > bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. > I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 > gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which > should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the > problem. > > The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old > as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things > is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than > 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every > in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the > Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know > what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone > who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? > But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had > anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. > > Allen > > > >

Gray Marine, cool, a REAL marine engine (as opposed to a recyled WWII Jeep engine, or, one that uses WWII A bomb radioactive left-overs inside, as I always suspected). Harkens back to my solo trip to the New York City boat show in 1960...I remember well. Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak It isn't an A-4 btw, it is a Gray Marine. And I checked my usage today and it is actually more like 28 hours a year. I was wondering about electric but I do need to have a 2 hour range and have been told that requires a lot of batteries. I don't need to go that fast and don't need to pound into seas. All things considered, keeping the engine and doing nothing is probably the right decision. I only need another 500 hours out of the engine ;-) If it breaks, I get towed and rebuild it. I am going to talk to my Gary Marine guy, Dave, and see if there is something I should do while the engine is out of the boat. I also need to check the compression but I think I did that and it was OK. I had the head off a couple of years ago and the cylinders looked new. The valves looked a bit lose. The oil pressure is fine now that I removed the filter, at Dave's recommendation. It runs great so the advice I am getting is to do nothing. This engine is old but it is no A-4, they are very heavy duty engines. Apparently it isn't that big a deal to get the engine out and back in. Just an hour of crane time - $200. The engine cover in the cockpit exposes the entire engine so you would not even have to tilt it to remove it, just lift straight up. I got an estimate today of 5 boat bucks for the repairs for that leak and the rudder shaft problem. That is the bigger hit. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >Allen, >I would be strongly inclined to remove the A-4 and do the necessary repairs, rebuild the A4 and slide it back in. Or, you ought to look into converting to electric propulsion since your needs fit that system's capabilities. >Regards, >David Dobbs Cal29 411 > > > > >________________________________ >From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 PM > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak > > > >Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. > > >Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. > > >The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. > > >Allen > >

Guys, I know where there is a completely rebuilt Gray Marine engine, in Chicago, unless it's been sold, I haven't been there recently. Dave D CAL29 411 From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak(Allen) Gray Marine, cool, a REAL marine engine (as opposed to a recyled WWII Jeep engine, or, one that uses WWII A bomb radioactive left-overs inside, as I always suspected). Harkens back to my solo trip to the New York City boat show in 1960...I remember well. Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak It isn't an A-4 btw, it is a Gray Marine. And I checked my usage today and it is actually more like 28 hours a year. I was wondering about electric but I do need to have a 2 hour range and have been told that requires a lot of batteries. I don't need to go that fast and don't need to pound into seas. All things considered, keeping the engine and doing nothing is probably the right decision. I only need another 500 hours out of the engine ;-) If it breaks, I get towed and rebuild it. I am going to talk to my Gary Marine guy, Dave, and see if there is something I should do while the engine is out of the boat. I also need to check the compression but I think I did that and it was OK. I had the head off a couple of years ago and the cylinders looked new. The valves looked a bit lose. The oil pressure is fine now that I removed the filter, at Dave's recommendation. It runs great so the advice I am getting is to do nothing. This engine is old but it is no A-4, they are very heavy duty engines. Apparently it isn't that big a deal to get the engine out and back in. Just an hour of crane time - $200. The engine cover in the cockpit exposes the entire engine so you would not even have to tilt it to remove it, just lift straight up. I got an estimate today of 5 boat bucks for the repairs for that leak and the rudder shaft problem. That is the bigger hit. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >Allen, >I would be strongly inclined to remove the A-4 and do the necessary repairs, rebuild the A4 and slide it back in. Or, you ought to look into converting to electric propulsion since your needs fit that system's capabilities. >Regards, >David Dobbs Cal29 411 > > > > >________________________________ >From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 PM > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak > > > >Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. > > >Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. > > >The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. > > >Allen > >