Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak

Allen - Are you burning ethanol in it? If so, I'm amazed that you've not had any issues. Ethanol generally does not agree with old engines/carburetors and their gaskets/seals/needle valves. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. _www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com_ (http://www.docksidemobilemarineservice.com/) 443-614-4070 In a message dated 10/18/2011 7:06:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, al… [at] gmail.com writes: It isn't an A-4 btw, it is a Gray Marine. And I checked my usage today and it is actually more like 28 hours a year. I was wondering about electric but I do need to have a 2 hour range and have been told that requires a lot of batteries. I don't need to go that fast and don't need to pound into seas. All things considered, keeping the engine and doing nothing is probably the right decision. I only need another 500 hours out of the engine ;-) If it breaks, I get towed and rebuild it. I am going to talk to my Gary Marine guy, Dave, and see if there is something I should do while the engine is out of the boat. I also need to check the compression but I think I did that and it was OK. I had the head off a couple of years ago and the cylinders looked new. The valves looked a bit lose. The oil pressure is fine now that I removed the filter, at Dave's recommendation. It runs great so the advice I am getting is to do nothing. This engine is old but it is no A-4, they are very heavy duty engines. Apparently it isn't that big a deal to get the engine out and back in. Just an hour of crane time - $200. The engine cover in the cockpit exposes the entire engine so you would not even have to tilt it to remove it, just lift straight up. I got an estimate today of 5 boat bucks for the repairs for that leak and the rudder shaft problem. That is the bigger hit. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, david dobbs <_t… [at] yahoo.com_ (mailto:tm… [at] yahoo.com) > wrote: Allen, I would be strongly inclined to remove the A-4 and do the necessary repairs, rebuild the A4 and slide it back in. Or, you ought to look into converting to electric propulsion since your needs fit that system's capabilities. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 From: Allen Edwards <_a… [at] gmail.com_ (mailto:al… [at] gmail.com) > To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in question and we went away from shore (mistake). _http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png_ (http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png) I blame myself for not insisting that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the problem. The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would be nice as well. Allen

I am using Regular gas from the Shell station down the street. It is a very simple engine, not much to go wrong. The gaskets are paper. I did have trouble with idle until I did the last rebuild a year or so ago. Now it will idle down to 500 RMP. Never would do that in the 22 years I had it until that rebuild. I took everything apart this time and that made the difference. I also have a new filter and new(ish) gas line from the filter to the carb. The pump is electric and the mechanical one is bypassed. All of these things may help. By the way, the manual for that carb is one of the most popular pages on my web site. I guess it is used in old tractors. Allen On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:11 PM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > ** > > > ** > Allen - > > Are you burning ethanol in it? If so, I'm amazed that you've not had any > issues. Ethanol generally does not agree with old engines/carburetors and > their gaskets/seals/needle valves. > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. > www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com<http://www.docksidemobilemarineservice.com/> > 443-614-4070 > > In a message dated 10/18/2011 7:06:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > al… [at] gmail.com writes: > > > > It isn't an A-4 btw, it is a Gray Marine. And I checked my usage today and > it is actually more like 28 hours a year. > > I was wondering about electric but I do need to have a 2 hour range and > have been told that requires a lot of batteries. I don't need to go that > fast and don't need to pound into seas. All things considered, keeping the > engine and doing nothing is probably the right decision. I only need > another 500 hours out of the engine ;-) If it breaks, I get towed and > rebuild it. > > I am going to talk to my Gary Marine guy, Dave, and see if there is > something I should do while the engine is out of the boat. I also need to > check the compression but I think I did that and it was OK. I had the head > off a couple of years ago and the cylinders looked new. The valves looked a > bit lose. The oil pressure is fine now that I removed the filter, at Dave's > recommendation. It runs great so the advice I am getting is to do nothing. > This engine is old but it is no A-4, they are very heavy duty engines. > > Apparently it isn't that big a deal to get the engine out and back in. > Just an hour of crane time - $200. The engine cover in the cockpit exposes > the entire engine so you would not even have to tilt it to remove it, just > lift straight up. > > I got an estimate today of 5 boat bucks for the repairs for that leak and > the rudder shaft problem. That is the bigger hit. > > Allen > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Allen, >> I would be strongly inclined to remove the A-4 and do the necessary >> repairs, rebuild the A4 and slide it back in. Or, you ought to look into >> converting to electric propulsion since your needs fit that system's >> capabilities. >> Regards, >> David Dobbs Cal29 411 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 PM >> >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Papoose in Jessica Cup and sprung a leak >> >> >> Papoose took a first and a second in the Jessica Cup. We tied for >> first and lost the tie breaker. In a tie after the first tie breaker, it is >> the last race that counts. Didn't know that. This year we were the only >> L-36 to show up so didn't get any one design racing in there. We were put >> in the slow fleet so owed everyone time. I think we needed to beat the boat >> that won the second race by 8 minutes and only beat them by 6. They flew a >> spinnaker and we didn't but our big mistake was not following my current >> maps and instead making an faulty judgement about where the current was. If >> you have not seen one of my current maps, here is the map for the time in >> question and we went away from shore (mistake). >> http://l-36.com/current/11101515.png I blame myself for not insisting >> that my tactician look at the damn maps we had below. >> >> Got back to the slip to a 1 gallon per hour leak from somewhere under the >> engine. That is the one part of the boat that has not seen a lot of work >> for obvious reasons. I could see water seeping from under the floors. The >> bolts are probably gone and the only thing holding it together is the rust. >> I am totally bummed out about it but the good thing is that it was only 3/4 >> gallons per hour this morning so it is headed in the right direction which >> should keep the boat on the right end of the ocean until I can address the >> problem. >> >> The fix will most likely involve removing the engine. The engine is as >> old as the boat (55 years). It runs well but I now have to wonder if the >> things is out, should I replace it and if so with what? I use the engine >> less than 50 hours a year, mostly just to get out of the slip. My longest >> trip every in the 22 years I have owned Papoose was Sunday's 2 hour trip >> back from the Jessica Cup. That is probably why the boat is leaking. I >> really don't know what to do and am open to advice. I like >> my gasoline engine and to everyone who thinks gas is dangerous I ask this: >> do you have propane on your boat? But a nice modern engine that I never had >> to worry about and never had anything go wrong even with light usage would >> be nice as well. >> >> Allen >> >> >> > >