4 messages2011-10-26 23:38 UTCthrough 2011-10-27 14:24 UTC
Great Lakes & Seaway Shipping Online-Vessel Passage Maps
Urbanski, Steven J.2011-10-26 23:38 UTC
Great history here. Amazing how old some of these ships are.
http://ais.boatnerd.com/
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Great Lakes & Seaway Shipping Online-Vessel Passage Maps
Allen Edwards2011-10-27 00:46 UTC
Just a note, if you are using my weather site, Weather.L-36.com then that
location will bring up a zoomable AIS map if you click on the AIS link which
is here http://l-36.com/ais.php Just an alternative to the one below but
works on more than the great lakes.
Allen
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Urbanski, Steven J. <
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Great Lakes & Seaway Shipping Online-Vessel Passage Maps
Chris Campbell2011-10-27 14:12 UTC
On 10/26/2011 7:38 PM, Urbanski, Steven J. wrote:
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Boats last forever in fresh water, or almost so. It was just a couple
years ago that we lost the E.M. Ford to the shipwreckers, a vessel built
in 1898 or so. She operated on her triple-expansion steam engine
throughout her working life. It was a durable technology.
Back in 1969 I was sailing my other boat back into the Saginaw River one
warm summer evening in light air. Ahead we could see a strange vessel
in the shipping channel. It did not look like the other freighters.
They are always lighted up with navigation and deck lights. As we
approached, we saw that the boat was the last whaleback freighter,
/Meteor/, steaming out of the river. You can read about her here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Meteor_%281896%29
That was her last year of sailing on the Lakes.
For those readers not on the Great Lakes, the term "boat" is applied to
most floating objects intended to carry stuff, no matter how large. The
upper limit for size on commercial vessels is set by the size of the
locks between Lake Superior and Lake Huron at Sault Ste. Marie (1000
foot length, 105 foot beam). So we have 1,000 foot boats in the Lakes.
When a boat sinks, especially at great depth, it tends to be preserved
for a very long time. Wrecks in shallow water are affected by ice
movement and in the past by attempts to salvage valuable cargo. But if
undisturbed, the wreck lies there in a good state of preservation. The
problem now is that they can be covered with zebra or quagga mussels,
the invading species from eastern Europe that have infested the Lakes.
They cover everything.
Chris Campbell
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Great Lakes & Seaway Shipping Online-Vessel Passage Maps
chris1232011-10-27 14:24 UTC
One of the dream trips for us northerners is to circumnavigate the great
lakes. There are two associations for this even, one for cruisers and one
for single handers and parts of this route are part of the Great Circle
Route. There is simply so much history to see and discover on both sides of
the border Done at a leisurely pace a conservative estimate is one full year
wintering over somewhere. There is a lot of water and shoreline in those
lakes.
Whats also of interest to Northerner's is the NYS Canal system got nuked
with the last hurricane that went through. Several of the locks and bridges
will require complete replacement. It is hoped that the system will be up
again in the spring as its the fastest route south to the Atlantic from any
of the great lakes. The flooding from the last hurricane in Upper NY State
and New England was extreme as rarely witnessed from as all the rain we have
had this summer and completely saturated the ground. So it all ran off at
once. The Canal system simply could not handle the volume, taking out many
historical homes, locks and lock facilities. Its an interesting read.
/ch
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote:
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> On 10/26/2011 7:38 PM, Urbanski, Steven J. wrote:
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> Great history here. Amazing how old some of these ships are.
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> Boats last forever in fresh water, or almost so. It was just a couple
> years ago that we lost the E.M. Ford to the shipwreckers, a vessel built in
> 1898 or so. She operated on her triple-expansion steam engine throughout
> her working life. It was a durable technology.
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> Back in 1969 I was sailing my other boat back into the Saginaw River one
> warm summer evening in light air. Ahead we could see a strange vessel in
> the shipping channel. It did not look like the other freighters. They are
> always lighted up with navigation and deck lights. As we approached, we saw
> that the boat was the last whaleback freighter, *Meteor*, steaming out of
> the river. You can read about her here:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Meteor_%281896%29
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> That was her last year of sailing on the Lakes.
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> For those readers not on the Great Lakes, the term "boat" is applied to
> most floating objects intended to carry stuff, no matter how large. The
> upper limit for size on commercial vessels is set by the size of the locks
> between Lake Superior and Lake Huron at Sault Ste. Marie (1000 foot length,
> 105 foot beam). So we have 1,000 foot boats in the Lakes.
>
> When a boat sinks, especially at great depth, it tends to be preserved for
> a very long time. Wrecks in shallow water are affected by ice movement and
> in the past by attempts to salvage valuable cargo. But if undisturbed, the
> wreck lies there in a good state of preservation. The problem now is that
> they can be covered with zebra or quagga mussels, the invading species from
> eastern Europe that have infested the Lakes. They cover everything.
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