Cal 28 Beam

Cal_Sea_Carnies, Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. What are the lists thoughts on all this?

I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@...> wrote: > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone >

The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. There is no dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded beam in this case is under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the picture is correct. The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple elements. The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads the load across the entrance to the forward compartment below (at least, the CAL 25 has this). The second is the deck plywood and glas. The third is the bent beam under the cabin roof. People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the 25. Had to use tapping screws since through bolting through the underside beam was prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent plywood section inside the pedestal would become soggy, the wood underneath would get wet, and the interior beam could no longer take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s. We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to put holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not have these insights, and they created long term problems for the boats in terms of soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and the like. If the leakage was bad enough one could even have a soggy saggy beam. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TC Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@...> wrote: > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Charlie, that sounds spot on. A PO installed a tabernacle on the pedestal with lag screws. There is also a channel that runs down through the deck for the (old) mast wiring. How was the original mast step fitting installed? Also with lag screws? I wonder how the mast wiring channel was sealed? I've epoxied over the top of the channel and filled the lag screw holes with penetrating epoxy. I wish re-seated the mast plate with butyl tape as well. Oh well, maybe later! "I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s." If you could share these, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, Adam On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. There is no > dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded beam in this case is > under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the picture is correct. > > The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple elements. > The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads the load across the > entrance to the forward compartment below (at least, the CAL 25 has this). > The second is the deck plywood and glas. The third is the bent beam under > the cabin roof. > > People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the 25. Had > to use tapping screws since through bolting through the underside beam was > prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent plywood section inside the > pedestal would become soggy, the wood underneath would get wet, and the > interior beam could no longer take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I > have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and > replacement for CAL 25s. > > We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to put > holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not have these > insights, and they created long term problems for the boats in terms of > soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and the like. If the leakage was > bad enough one could even have a soggy saggy beam. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of TC > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the > bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be > hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for > stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to > see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are > some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@...> wrote: > > > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam > on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam > on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right > side. > > > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I > thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work > placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some > trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and > around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has > happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't > noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in > only 10 knots of wind. > > > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through > the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, > they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm > comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or > replacing a structural member here. > > > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

I have attached two pictures from my 1966 Cal 28, it obviously needs to be fixed--HELP!! Any ides?? Steve 1966 "Runamuk"

On 11/3/2011 3:49 PM, Steven pishioneri wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Steven pishioneri included below] > I have attached two pictures from my 1966 Cal 28, it obviously needs > to be fixed--HELP!! Cal 28 owners may have specific advice, but the general advice is to do it right the first time, and don't try to go an easy route by trying to caulk, "consolidate" with thinned epoxy, etc. Looks like the deck core is rotted, together with the supporting compression post components perhaps. The spores in rotted lumber will tend to infect adjacent material, especially if they're sealed up inside fiberglass top & bottom. It's tempting to minimize the work but that almost always makes for more work later and trouble in between the jobs. Chris Campbell

Steve, Charlie is correct in his post as to the structural workings. I have replaced Cal-25 beams and replaced the rotted overhead core as well. It looks as if the 28 incorporated the bulkhead edge trim piece as a compression post with most of the load taken by (what's left of) the curve in the beam and the large wood mast step. There has been a problem there for quite some time judging by the water stains and slap-dash fiberglass tape. It all (bulkhead, post, core, step) needs to come out and replaced, sorry to say. After you get the proper deck camber back in, you may have to replace the shrouds as they were probably tightened to compensate for the sag which would induce more sag, in a vicious circle. Look on the bright side; you get to learn carpentry and fiberglassing in addition to painting. If you do the work yourself you save a lot of money unless you can find someone who is competent and hungry. There are many here, including myself, that are willing and able to coach you through it when you get ready to tackle the project. Mike M. On 11/3/2011 3:13 PM, Adam Thorp wrote: > > > Charlie, that sounds spot on. > > A PO installed a tabernacle on the pedestal with lag screws. There is > also a channel that runs down through the deck for the (old) mast > wiring. How was the original mast step fitting installed? Also with > lag screws? I wonder how the mast wiring channel was sealed? I've > epoxied over the top of the channel and filled the lag screw holes > with penetrating epoxy. I wish re-seated the mast plate with butyl > tape as well. Oh well, maybe later! > > "I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam > fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s." > > If you could share these, I'd really appreciate it! > > Thanks, > Adam > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) > <hu… [at] bah.com <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote: > > The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. > There is no dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded > beam in this case is under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the > picture is correct. > > The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple > elements. The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads > the load across the entrance to the forward compartment below (at > least, the CAL 25 has this). The second is the deck plywood and > glas. The third is the bent beam under the cabin roof. > > People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the > 25. Had to use tapping screws since through bolting through the > underside beam was prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent > plywood section inside the pedestal would become soggy, the wood > underneath would get wet, and the interior beam could no longer > take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I have a string of photos > on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for > CAL 25s. > > We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to > put holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not > have these insights, and they created long term problems for the > boats in terms of soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and > the like. If the leakage was bad enough one could even have a > soggy saggy beam. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of TC > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in > the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It > may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent > that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit > it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it > must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for > you. Later, TC > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@...> wrote: > > > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of > the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up > against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is > present on the right side. > > > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? > I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass > work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After > removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent > where the mast step is. > > > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed > into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? > Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a > specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while > underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes > through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on > further inspection, they would probably have to go through this > beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the > opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural > member here. > > > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Charlie, My mast hinge (my brain is chasing the term around the synapses as we speak, it may catch it by the time I finish writing or after I hit bend, I mean, send) is terribly corroded between it and the fiberglas deck. Some yars ago I dug out the milk of magnesia and stuffed West Marine and silicon dust past in, and now the connection looks a bit cracked..I shoulda painted over it to protect the now yellowed epoxy. Of course the screws holding the durn thing wouldn't budge, so I think I just smeared that with West Systems to seal over the big wood screws. Any suggestions? Me %$#@ overhead beam has been progressively cracking over the last 15 years (the first time I took the boat sailing the first little crack appeared, I then loosened the shrouds which the PO had tight as piano strings). I got a bunch of ideas but the original polyester glazed glassed wood looks so purty I hate to cover it up, but now methinks I should address the issue, before the crack gets woise. So far the deck feels solid without any spongy spots. I pray to Sponge Bob alot, and the cellulose god to protect it from those nasty fungi. Jerry Oh yeah, tabernacle, I knowed it had some thing to do with worshipping, ha ha ha ha. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. There is no dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded beam in this case is under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the picture is correct. The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple elements. The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads the load across the entrance to the forward compartment below (at least, the CAL 25 has this). The second is the deck plywood and glas. The third is the bent beam under the cabin roof. People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the 25. Had to use tapping screws since through bolting through the underside beam was prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent plywood section inside the pedestal would become soggy, the wood underneath would get wet, and the interior beam could no longer take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s. We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to put holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not have these insights, and they created long term problems for the boats in terms of soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and the like. If the leakage was bad enough one could even have a soggy saggy beam. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TC Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@...> wrote: > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I think this is Robert Fuller's Cal 28 site, the original site. He tore his Cal 28 apart and rebuilt her from the inside up. Check out these photos for any insights they might provide. If the link does not take you to the restoration page, follow the page down to the link: http://www3.sympatico.ca/sailpair/cal28.html Bruce Stirling --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > Charlie, > My mast hinge (my brain is chasing the term around the synapses as we speak, it may catch it by the time I finish writing or after I hit bend, I mean, send) is terribly corroded between it and the fiberglas deck. Some yars ago I dug out the milk of magnesia and stuffed West Marine and silicon dust past in, and now the connection looks a bit cracked..I shoulda painted over it to protect the now yellowed epoxy. Of course the screws holding the durn thing wouldn't budge, so I think I just smeared that with West Systems to seal over the big wood screws. Any suggestions? Me %$#@ overhead beam has been progressively cracking over the last 15 years (the first time I took the boat sailing the first little crack appeared, I then loosened the shrouds which the PO had tight as piano strings). I got a bunch of ideas but the original polyester glazed glassed wood looks so purty I hate to cover it up, but now methinks I should address the issue, before the crack gets > woise. So far the deck feels solid without any spongy spots. I pray to Sponge Bob alot, and the cellulose god to protect it from those nasty fungi. > Jerry > Oh yeah, tabernacle, I knowed it had some thing to do with worshipping, ha ha ha ha. > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <husar_charlie@...> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:46 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > > Â > The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. There is no dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded beam in this case is under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the picture is correct. > > The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple elements. The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads the load across the entrance to the forward compartment below (at least, the CAL 25 has this). The second is the deck plywood and glas. The third is the bent beam under the cabin roof. > > People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the 25. Had to use tapping screws since through bolting through the underside beam was prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent plywood section inside the pedestal would become soggy, the wood underneath would get wet, and the interior beam could no longer take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s. > > We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to put holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not have these insights, and they created long term problems for the boats in terms of soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and the like. If the leakage was bad enough one could even have a soggy saggy beam. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TC > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@> wrote: > > > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. > > > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. > > > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

And speaking of great Cal Boat restoration sites, where did the Cal 29 Mariposa restoration page go? Anyone know a link for it? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "We The People" <bruce@...> wrote: > > > > I think this is Robert Fuller's Cal 28 site, the original site. He tore his Cal 28 apart and rebuilt her from the inside up. Check out these photos for any insights they might provide. If the link does not take you to the restoration page, follow the page down to the link: > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/sailpair/cal28.html > > Bruce Stirling > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@> wrote: > > > > Charlie, > > My mast hinge (my brain is chasing the term around the synapses as we speak, it may catch it by the time I finish writing or after I hit bend, I mean, send) is terribly corroded between it and the fiberglas deck. Some yars ago I dug out the milk of magnesia and stuffed West Marine and silicon dust past in, and now the connection looks a bit cracked..I shoulda painted over it to protect the now yellowed epoxy. Of course the screws holding the durn thing wouldn't budge, so I think I just smeared that with West Systems to seal over the big wood screws. Any suggestions? Me %$#@ overhead beam has been progressively cracking over the last 15 years (the first time I took the boat sailing the first little crack appeared, I then loosened the shrouds which the PO had tight as piano strings). I got a bunch of ideas but the original polyester glazed glassed wood looks so purty I hate to cover it up, but now methinks I should address the issue, before the crack gets > > woise. So far the deck feels solid without any spongy spots. I pray to Sponge Bob alot, and the cellulose god to protect it from those nasty fungi. > > Jerry > > Oh yeah, tabernacle, I knowed it had some thing to do with worshipping, ha ha ha ha. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <husar_charlie@> > > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:46 AM > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > > > > > Â > > The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. There is no dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded beam in this case is under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the picture is correct. > > > > The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple elements. The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads the load across the entrance to the forward compartment below (at least, the CAL 25 has this). The second is the deck plywood and glas. The third is the bent beam under the cabin roof. > > > > People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the 25. Had to use tapping screws since through bolting through the underside beam was prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent plywood section inside the pedestal would become soggy, the wood underneath would get wet, and the interior beam could no longer take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s. > > > > We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to put holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not have these insights, and they created long term problems for the boats in terms of soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and the like. If the leakage was bad enough one could even have a soggy saggy beam. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TC > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > > > I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@> wrote: > > > > > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > > > > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. > > > > > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > > > > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > > > > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. > > > > > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Here is Robert's page that best shows the area in question: http://www3.sympatico.ca/sailpair/cal28pg2.html --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > And speaking of great Cal Boat restoration sites, where did the Cal 29 Mariposa restoration page go? Anyone know a link for it? > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "We The People" <bruce@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think this is Robert Fuller's Cal 28 site, the original site. He tore his Cal 28 apart and rebuilt her from the inside up. Check out these photos for any insights they might provide. If the link does not take you to the restoration page, follow the page down to the link: > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/sailpair/cal28.html > > > > Bruce Stirling > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@> wrote: > > > > > > Charlie, > > > My mast hinge (my brain is chasing the term around the synapses as we speak, it may catch it by the time I finish writing or after I hit bend, I mean, send) is terribly corroded between it and the fiberglas deck. Some yars ago I dug out the milk of magnesia and stuffed West Marine and silicon dust past in, and now the connection looks a bit cracked..I shoulda painted over it to protect the now yellowed epoxy. Of course the screws holding the durn thing wouldn't budge, so I think I just smeared that with West Systems to seal over the big wood screws. Any suggestions? Me %$#@ overhead beam has been progressively cracking over the last 15 years (the first time I took the boat sailing the first little crack appeared, I then loosened the shrouds which the PO had tight as piano strings). I got a bunch of ideas but the original polyester glazed glassed wood looks so purty I hate to cover it up, but now methinks I should address the issue, before the crack gets > > > woise. So far the deck feels solid without any spongy spots. I pray to Sponge Bob alot, and the cellulose god to protect it from those nasty fungi. > > > Jerry > > > Oh yeah, tabernacle, I knowed it had some thing to do with worshipping, ha ha ha ha. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <husar_charlie@> > > > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:46 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > > > > > > > > Â > > > The CAL 25 and (I believe) the CAL 28 are deck stepped masts. There is no dreaded beam under the floor of the cabin. The dreaded beam in this case is under the cabin ceiling, so I believe the picture is correct. > > > > > > The strength of the deck step arrangement is tied up in multiple elements. The first is the mast pedestal on the deck that spreads the load across the entrance to the forward compartment below (at least, the CAL 25 has this). The second is the deck plywood and glas. The third is the bent beam under the cabin roof. > > > > > > People used to screw turning blocks into the mast pedestal on the 25. Had to use tapping screws since through bolting through the underside beam was prohibitive. The screws would leak; the bent plywood section inside the pedestal would become soggy, the wood underneath would get wet, and the interior beam could no longer take the whole load. Poof - saggy beam. I have a string of photos on pedestal replacement and beam fabrication and replacement for CAL 25s. > > > > > > We have learned a lot about where and what to caulk, and where to put holes in our boats. Unfortunately, the original owners did not have these insights, and they created long term problems for the boats in terms of soggy decks, soggy pedestals, saggy beams, and the like. If the leakage was bad enough one could even have a soggy saggy beam. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Charlie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TC > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:25 PM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 28 Beam > > > > > > I think that's the wrong beam in the pic. The dreaded beam is in the bottom of the boat with the compression pole mounted on it. It may be hidden in the woodwork. The one you show is probably bent that way for stength. Look in the bilge with a flashlight and hit it with something to see if it's rotten. If it is rusted out, it must be replaced. There are some folks around who can make one for you. Later, TC > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Adam Thorp <thorpydo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Cal_Sea_Carnies, > > > > > > > > Please excuse the terrible picture quality. It is a picture of the beam on a cal 28, looking aft. The straight edge is butted up against the beam on the left side. A gap of over a quarter inch is present on the right side. > > > > > > > > I have heard of the 'dreaded beam'. Is the cal 28 beam dreaded? I thought that mine might have been remedied because of some glass work placed over the beam that looked like that of a PO. After removing some trimming, I now see that the beam is wood, and bent where the mast step is. > > > > > > > > I understand that the entire load from the mast is distributed into and around this beam and it has me worried. Is this creep? Something that has happened over the last 60 years, or from a specific incident? I haven't noticed any deck flexing while underway but most of my sailing has been in only 10 knots of wind. > > > > > > > > I had previously planned on drilling a couple quarter inch holes through the main bulkhead for routing cabin light wires but on further inspection, they would probably have to go through this beam and I don't think I'm comfortable with that- more the opposite, that maybe I should be adding or replacing a structural member here. > > > > > > > > What are the lists thoughts on all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >