Re: [Cal_Boats] Found the hull number! Thank you!

Ben, if you look at the pictures that I posted on the photo album pages, you will see that Jensen hadn't changed the marking method by 1970. Although, on our boat it did appear to be printed, not hand written. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:06:26 -0000 "Benjamin Buehler" <be… [at] priceyourglass.com> writes: Hello folks, The backstory is that I got a really nice ships log for Christmas from my lady. I had the boat name engraved on it and wanted to include the hull number. I went down to the boat, lowered my butt into the starboard locker ( brought my daughter in case I got stuck) and there it was! Right where it was supposed to be. You've got to love 1967 numbering systems...a piece of paper with a number written in Sharpie and glassed over. It says #33. I kind of figured it was an early one. I guess I'm kind of surprised one this early in the run made its way to Michigan and now Wisconsin. Is there any way to find out the history of this boat? You can see pictures and a sailing video at www.benandjill.com. Thanks for the help! Work At Home Jobs EXPOSED We investigated work at home jobs. What we found may shock you... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ef60b2b3bdc1fbbf9est06duc

On Dec 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > I guess I'm kind of surprised one this early in the run made its > way to Michigan and now Wisconsin. > Is there any way to find out the history of this boat? A lot of early boats were shipped to dealers in the Midwest and East coast. I know much of the history of the Cal 40 but not much about the other boats. I talked to one guy from DC who told me that he and four friends all bought Cal 40s from the Annapolis dealer. In a year they were all going through divorces. MIke Kennedy

Hi, Mike. Might that Annapolis CAL dealer been Lippincott Marine? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Found the hull number! Thank you! On Dec 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > I guess I'm kind of surprised one this early in the run made its way > to Michigan and now Wisconsin. > Is there any way to find out the history of this boat? A lot of early boats were shipped to dealers in the Midwest and East coast. I know much of the history of the Cal 40 but not much about the other boats. I talked to one guy from DC who told me that he and four friends all bought Cal 40s from the Annapolis dealer. In a year they were all going through divorces. MIke Kennedy ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On 12/24/2011 1:38 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > > I talked to one guy from DC who told me that he and four friends all > bought Cal 40s from the Annapolis dealer. In a year they were all > going through divorces. > From what I read in sailing magazines, the proportion of women boat owners is gradually increasing. But sailing is still a predominantly male activity. That puzzles me, but at my age I find that many things puzzle me. We're far enough into new social arrangements that the idea that sailing is for guys ought to be long dead. I graduated from law school in 1975 and almost a third of my classmates were women. That was regarded as astonishing. Now the proportion is over 50% (as it is in most professional and graduate programs, even traditionally male ones like engineering). But when I look around me at sailors I know, in most cases it's the guy who's the instigator, and the wife/GF who participates in a supporting role with varying degrees of enthusiasm. Before I get clobbered for political incorrectness, let me note that i do know female boat owners and women who share responsibilities for the boat equally with their husbands. Way back in the 1970s, I sailed with the U-M sailing club and usually served as crew for a female skipper who knew far more than I about sailing. Do others see different numbers when they look around at other sailors? Chris Campbell

Chris - I had sailed once or twice with my old boss on a Hunter 24 and wasn't that impressed with it as he was new at it too and we didn't race or do anything exceptional and just day sailed. At my age back then it was a bit boring to me honestly. Then after living between the Chesapeake and the Atlantic for 5 or 6 years I wanted a way to get on the water and didn't have the $$ for a powerboat. One of my co-workers also wanted to get on the water and he came across an ad for a couple of Hobie 16's for $250 each. So I bought one not knowing anything about them except they looked fun. $650 later and a lot learned re: rigging I had a boat I could sail and had a blast learning to sail on my own w/o knowing much at all. Very stupid looking back as I don't think I knew the difference tween a tack and a gybe but soon learned LOL. Anyway the point of the story is that when I remarried after a couple of "starter wives" she was an avid sailor who raced out of Annapolis. We took a bareboat sailing honeymoon for 10 days and got hooked. 5 mos later we had a CS 30 and now have a Cal 39 and hope to do some extensive cruising one day. That is the Cliff Note version of a Readers Digest story but you get the drift. Had I not married her, sailing may have gone by the wayside. She now says she created a monster when it comes to sailing but we often wonder what the hell we'd do with our spare time if we didn't sail we love it so much. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. _www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com_ (http://www.docksidemobilemarineservice.com/) 443-614-4070 In a message dated 1/3/2012 2:15:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: On 12/24/2011 1:38 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote: I talked to one guy from DC who told me that he and four friends all bought Cal 40s from the Annapolis dealer. In a year they were all going through divorces.

Chris, you misread my earlier posting, the MCZ is not the registration number, it is the Michigan "State-Issued" Hull ID number! All states use their registration abbreviation with a "Z" after it in place of the MIC, or "Manufacturer ID code", later CALs used "CAB" for the Jensen Marine/Cal Boats MIC, but those of us with (or who used to own) older CALs often have a State-Issued HIN instead of the CAB (all boats prior to 01NOV 1972 were not required to have a manufacturer's HIN). Our Old CAL 21 was assigned an HIN by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in 1989, that HIN started with "MSZ", in other words, the Mass Registration abbreviation + "Z". A boat with a Rhode Island HIN would start "RIZ" (RI + Z), California titled boats with a state-issued HIN would use "CAZ", etc. State issued HINs do not always reflect the year that a boat was built, some states do, but most use the year that the HIN was issued. Our 1970 CAL 21 had an MSZ number ending in "92" because Massachusetts assigned the HIN in 1992. Manufacturer issued HINs will identify the Model Year or year of manufacture. You are correct that Michigan registrations start "MC", but Michigan HINs start "MCZ". On a related note, it is amazing how many boats in Mass have the HIN (or in a few cases the HIN PLUS the normal Mass Registration Number!) marked on the bow, need I say that most, if not all boats miss-marked that I've seen.....were not sailboats!! I Saw a 13 'WHALER once, the number stretched almost the full length of the boat! (looked like: "MSZ123456492MS1234AB") This would also be a good time to remind all state-registered boats of the proper format for the registration numbers (I'll use Mass as an example); MS 1234 AB or MS-1234-AB, not MS1234AB, there MUST be a space (1 letter width) between the state 2-letter abbreviation and the first number, and again a space (1 letter width) between the last number and the 2-letters at the end (some boat registrations only have one letter at the end, but most have 2). Also, the numbers MUST be in contrast with the background, allowing clear reading at least 50' (or is it 100') away. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:04:26 -0500 Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> writes: On 12/23/2011 8:06 AM, Benjamin Buehler wrote: Hello folks, The backstory is that I got a really nice ships log for Christmas from my lady. I had the boat name engraved on it and wanted to include the hull number. I went down to the boat, lowered my butt into the starboard locker ( brought my daughter in case I got stuck) and there it was! Right where it was supposed to be. You've got to love 1967 numbering systems...a piece of paper with a number written in Sharpie and glassed over. It says #33. I kind of figured it was an early one. I guess I'm kind of surprised one this early in the run made its way to Michigan and now Wisconsin. Glad you found the hull number. The only problem with Jensen Marine's ID system is that sometimes the number get painted over when some overzealous owner doesn't recognize what it is. I'm catching up on e-mails and saw the earlier suggestion that "MCZ....." was a Michigan registration number. So far as I know, all Michigan numbers are "MC" followed by four digits and two more letters. There's no "Z" or any other additional letter before the four digits. The last two letters tend to show how old the boat is. My other boat is from 1961, and her MC number ends in "BN." My Cal was registered 6 years later and will have letters later in the alphabet as a result (I just haven't memorized the number yet). I think the state is recycling some of the registration numbers now, using ones that have been inactive for a long time. Chris Campbell 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f036774d52d71332bfast04duc

On 1/3/2012 3:31 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > Anyway the point of the story is that when I remarried after a couple > of "starter wives" she was an avid sailor who raced out of Annapolis. > We took a bareboat sailing honeymoon for 10 days and got hooked. 5 > mos later we had a CS 30 and now have a Cal 39 and hope to do some > extensive cruising one day. > That is the Cliff Note version of a Readers Digest story but you get > the drift. Had I not married her, sailing may have gone by the > wayside. She now says she created a monster when it comes to sailing > but we often wonder what the hell we'd do with our spare time if we > didn't sail we love it so much. There's a nice list of classic sailing couples where each spouse found it rewarding. Herbert & Doris Smith built their several Appledores. There are a bunch of others but my brain refuses to cooperate. One such sailed around the world in a modified Cal 25--Dave and Jaja Martin. The brain yields more names. There were the folks who had the Yankee youth training ship. You're lucky to be in that category! Chris Campbell

On 1/3/2012 3:37 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > > Chris, you misread my earlier posting, the MCZ is _not_ the > registration number, it is the _Michigan "State-Issued" Hull ID number_! > All states use their registration abbreviation with a "Z" after it in > place of the MIC, or "Manufacturer ID code", later CALs used "CAB" for > the Jensen Marine/Cal Boats MIC, but those of us with (or who used to > own) older CALs often have a State-Issued HIN instead of the CAB (all > boats prior to 01NOV 1972 were not required to have a manufacturer's > HIN). Our Old CAL 21 was assigned an HIN by the Commonwealth of > Massachusetts in 1989, that HIN started with "MSZ", in other words, > the Mass Registration abbreviation + "Z". A boat with a Rhode Island > HIN would start "RIZ" (RI + Z), California titled boats with a > state-issued HIN would use "CAZ", etc. State issued HINs do not always > reflect the year that a boat was built, some states do, but most use > the year that the HIN was issued. Our 1970 CAL 21 had an MSZ number > ending in "92" because Massachusetts assigned the HIN in 1992. > _Manufacturer_ issued HINs will identify the Model Year or year of > manufacture. > You are correct that Michigan registrations start "MC", but Michigan > HINs start "MCZ". OK, I've just never seen a state-issued HIN. > > This would also be a good time to remind all state-registered boats of > the proper format for the registration numbers (I'll use Mass as an > example); MS 1234 AB or MS-1234-AB, not MS1234AB, there MUST be a > space (1 letter width) between the state 2-letter abbreviation and the > first number, and again a space (1 letter width) between the last > number and the 2-letters at the end (some boat registrations only have > one letter at the end, but most have 2). I violated this rule the last time I applied one. It was on a little riveted aluminum pram, and I had to work around the rivets and the seams. I figured that keeping the letters & digits stuck on was more important than adhering precisely to spacing requirements. A month earlier we had passed a sheriff's patrol boat without a valid state registration but, with only 13 feet and three h.p., were deemed too insignificant to merit attention. To reduce jitters, however, we registered again after a decade or two hiatus. By the way, I can make that pram plane on 3 h.p. by sitting on the middle seat and steering by poking the motor's tiller arm with an oar. You've gotta find ways to have fun on power boats. It's part of the action when you're sailing. Chris Campbell