New Boards

Hello folks, First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a sailing term for these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard maybe? Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as backrests running the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. I think they were teak, but are completely trashed. I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can put high gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for suggestions on wood type please. Thanks so much, Ben

mahogany marine plywood would be my recommendation Allen On Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM, "Benjamin Buehler" <be… [at] priceyourglass.com> wrote: > ** > > > Hello folks, > First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a sailing term for > these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard maybe? > Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as backrests running > the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. I think they were teak, but > are completely trashed. I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can > put high gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat > curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for > suggestions on wood type please. > Thanks so much, > Ben > > >

Hi, Ben. I call them "cockpit boards", but maybe that is too straightforward for proper marine terminology. I don't think those were teak, but I'm no marine woods expert. Great to have you on the List Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Buehler Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] New Boards Hello folks, First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a sailing term for these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard maybe? Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as backrests running the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. I think they were teak, but are completely trashed. I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can put high gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for suggestions on wood type please. Thanks so much, Ben ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Ben, We are in the process of replacing the cockpit coaming on our Cal-40 with Ipe (pronounced eepay). It is a very hard, oily and heavy wood but not nearly as expensive as teak. I would recommend it in lieu of plywood. You don't want to do the job again nor do you want to be the dreaded PO (previous owner). We replaced our toerail with this as well and it came out nice. I can't attest to how it holds varnish as we haven't done that yet. We plan on oiling as needed. Mike M. Celtic Naut From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2012 19:47:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards mahogany marine plywood would be my recommendation Allen On Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM, "Benjamin Buehler" <be… [at] priceyourglass.com> wrote: > ** > > > Hello folks, > First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a sailing term for > these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard maybe? > Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as backrests running > the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. I think they were teak, but > are completely trashed. I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can > put high gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat > curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for > suggestions on wood type please. > Thanks so much, > Ben > > >

Radiant's cockpit boards have been on for more than 45 years. They have endured a lot of racing and cruising. They are highly varnished, and look great. They are teak. Part of the nature of teak is that small dings and scratches are easily repaired. Not so true of mahogany. in my experience. Jensen used teak for all of the exterior trim for a reason, even when all of the interior trim was Mahogany. If you want high gloss varnish, anything else would seem risky. Ipe seems to be a great wood, unfinished. I think that they used Ipe for the patio deck at San Diego Yacht Club. It’s a first-class look. I just have no idea how it would behave if varnished. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards mahogany marine plywood would be my recommendation Allen On Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM, "Benjamin Buehler" <be… [at] priceyourglass.com<mailto:be… [at] priceyourglass.com>> wrote: Hello folks, First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a sailing term for these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard maybe? Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as backrests running the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. I think they were teak, but are completely trashed. I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can put high gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for suggestions on wood type please. Thanks so much, Ben

Fin, We wouldn't have been replacing our teak had it been taken care of as well as it should have been. Ours was 45 years old also but had splits and the joints that had been scarfed had huge glue gaps from previous attempts at repair that looked like crap. It was functional, but why dress the prom queen in a potato sack? Hence the coaming and toerail replacement. We are of split minds on whether to varnish or oil. If we varnish, then we will have to be after it all the time. If we oil, it will be a lot easier and the staining of clothes issue will be one more reason to get folks nekkid. We may end up varnishing the cockpit and oiling the toerail. Who knows? We're not quite there yet. Mike M. Celtic Naut On 1/23/2012 4:55 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > Radiant's cockpit boards have been on for more than 45 years. > They have endured a lot of racing and cruising. > They are highly varnished, and look great. > They are teak. > Part of the nature of teak is that small dings and scratches are > easily repaired. Not so true of mahogany. in my experience. > Jensen used teak for all of the exterior trim for a reason, even when > all of the interior trim was Mahogany. > If you want high gloss varnish, anything else would seem risky. > Ipe seems to be a great wood, unfinished. I think that they used Ipe > for the patio deck at San Diego Yacht Club. It’s a first-class > look. I just have no idea how it would behave if varnished. > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2012 11:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards > > mahogany marine plywood would be my recommendation > > Allen > > On Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM, "Benjamin Buehler" > <be… [at] priceyourglass.com <mailto:be… [at] priceyourglass.com>> wrote: > > Hello folks, > First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a > sailing term for these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard > maybe? > Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as > backrests running the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. > I think they were teak, but are completely trashed. I'd like > to not use teak. I need something I can put high gloss varnish > on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat curved, so > I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for > suggestions on wood type please. > Thanks so much, > Ben > > > >

nekkid and oiled? Hmmmm! To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mi… [at] wahini.org Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:46:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards (Fin) Fin, We wouldn't have been replacing our teak had it been taken care of as well as it should have been. Ours was 45 years old also but had splits and the joints that had been scarfed had huge glue gaps from previous attempts at repair that looked like crap. It was functional, but why dress the prom queen in a potato sack? Hence the coaming and toerail replacement. We are of split minds on whether to varnish or oil. If we varnish, then we will have to be after it all the time. If we oil, it will be a lot easier and the staining of clothes issue will be one more reason to get folks nekkid. We may end up varnishing the cockpit and oiling the toerail. Who knows? We're not quite there yet. Mike M. Celtic Naut On 1/23/2012 4:55 PM, Fin Beven wrote: Radiant's cockpit boards have been on for more than 45 years. They have endured a lot of racing and cruising. They are highly varnished, and look great. They are teak. Part of the nature of teak is that small dings and scratches are easily repaired. Not so true of mahogany. in my experience. Jensen used teak for all of the exterior trim for a reason, even when all of the interior trim was Mahogany. If you want high gloss varnish, anything else would seem risky. Ipe seems to be a great wood, unfinished. I think that they used Ipe for the patio deck at San Diego Yacht Club. It’s a first-class look. I just have no idea how it would behave if varnished. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards mahogany marine plywood would be my recommendation Allen On Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM, "Benjamin Buehler" <be… [at] priceyourglass.com> wrote: Hello folks, First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a sailing term for these things, but I'm not sure...freeboard maybe? Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as backrests running the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal 34. I think they were teak, but are completely trashed. I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can put high gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's somewhat curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can use, but I'm open for suggestions on wood type please. Thanks so much, Ben

Hope you were thinking about Barb instead of me when you typed that! Bwahaha! On 1/23/2012 5:49 PM, r good wrote: > > > nekkid and oiled? Hmmmm! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: mi… [at] wahini.org > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:46:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards (Fin) > > Fin, > We wouldn't have been replacing our teak had it been taken care of as > well as it should have been. Ours was 45 years old also but had splits > and the joints that had been scarfed had huge glue gaps from previous > attempts at repair that looked like crap. It was functional, but why > dress the prom queen in a potato sack? Hence the coaming and toerail > replacement. > We are of split minds on whether to varnish or oil. If we varnish, > then we will have to be after it all the time. If we oil, it will be a > lot easier and the staining of clothes issue will be one more reason > to get folks nekkid. We may end up varnishing the cockpit and oiling > the toerail. Who knows? We're not quite there yet. > Mike M. > Celtic Naut > > On 1/23/2012 4:55 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > Radiant's cockpit boards have been on for more than 45 years. > They have endured a lot of racing and cruising. > They are highly varnished, and look great. > They are teak. > Part of the nature of teak is that small dings and scratches are > easily repaired. Not so true of mahogany. in my experience. > Jensen used teak for all of the exterior trim for a reason, even > when all of the interior trim was Mahogany. > If you want high gloss varnish, anything else would seem risky. > Ipe seems to be a great wood, unfinished. I think that they used > Ipe for the patio deck at San Diego Yacht Club. It’s a > first-class look. I just have no idea how it would behave if > varnished. > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2012 11:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards > > mahogany marine plywood would be my recommendation > Allen > > On Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM, "Benjamin Buehler" > <be… [at] priceyourglass.com <mailto:be… [at] priceyourglass.com>> wrote: > > Hello folks, > First, I'm kind of a sailing newbie. I'm sure there is a > sailing term for these things, but I'm not > sure...freeboard maybe? > Regardless, I need to replace the two boards that act as > backrests running the length of the cockpit on my 1967 cal > 34. I think they were teak, but are completely trashed. > I'd like to not use teak. I need something I can put high > gloss varnish on and have it look good for awhile. It's > somewhat curved, so I'm not sure how hard of a wood I can > use, but I'm open for suggestions on wood type please. > Thanks so much, > Ben > > > > > > >

On 1/23/2012 4:55 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > Ipe seems to be a great wood, unfinished. I think that they used Ipe > for the patio deck at San Diego Yacht Club. It’s a first-class > look. I just have no idea how it would behave if varnished. My sister had an exterior porch with oak decking (?????) that had to be replaced every few years. Last year somebody stepped right through it so it was time for another go-round. I suggested ipe for the rebuilding. It looks great and is very dense and oily. Those characteristics suggest that it's best used on boats in small applications where strength is required and weight doesn't matter much. If the coamings are large, then its weight might be a factor. Because of the oiliness, it's likely to be hard to varnish. An oil finish would probably be suitable and would probably be fairly durable. Just steer away from those orange colored oil finishes, which look pretty awful to my eye. WoodenBoat magazine has carried a column on wood characteristics for many years. I'm sure the author has addressed ipe at some time in the past. Chris Campbell >

On 1/23/2012 5:46 PM, mike wrote: > > Fin, > We wouldn't have been replacing our teak had it been taken care of as > well as it should have been. Ours was 45 years old also but had splits > and the joints that had been scarfed had huge glue gaps from previous > attempts at repair that looked like crap. It was functional, but why > dress the prom queen in a potato sack? > I think that the point about teak was that if the new sailor chose it for the repairs, then it was likely to be durable and long-lasting. That's something I always aim for, knowing that I am not likely to be the last owner of my boats. And bravo for the remarks about keeping our boats pretty. Sailboats are among the loveliest creations of mankind, at least in their best form. Part of it is that they are designed to move effectively through water and air, and that affects design considerations. Part of it is the need to maximize functional use of spaces constrained by other considerations (sailboats are not houseboats). Part of it is economy, the unwillingness to add unnecessary expense to building something that's already pricey or weight that slows things down. The result is that sailboats tend to please the eye mightily. The European designers seem intent on diminishing the roles of function and economy, building wild design exercises in much the way that American car companies built chrome and fin-laden products in the 1950s. But who can look at Ray Hunt's Concordia yawl, for example, and not know that humans are capable of great things? A sailing friend sent me a short video of a new trimaran last night. Its aesthetics are light years from the Concordia yawl, but it was a handsome craft in its own right because of the successful adaptation of form to function. So in addition to durability, I also aim for keeping my boats pretty. That's why I always smile as I row away from the Cal 20 on her mooring. Chris Campbell

I have used bleach 4 oz per quart (that is strong btw) and oxylic acid. Around here you can buy oxylic acid as deck cleaner by the gallon and I have a dockmate that uses a garden sprayer to clean his teak using the deck cleaner. I prefer the bleach but both seem to work. I would not go stronger on the bleach though. I have also used general purpose cleaner with bleach. It is much weaker but has some detergent and it works well also. Kind of hard to find though. Allen On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > ** On 1/23/2012 4:55 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > > > > > Ipe seems to be a great wood, unfinished. I think that they used Ipe for > the patio deck at San Diego Yacht Club. It’s a first-class look. I just > have no idea how it would behave if varnished. > > > My sister had an exterior porch with oak decking (?????) that had to be > replaced every few years. Last year somebody stepped right through it so > it was time for another go-round. I suggested ipe for the rebuilding. It > looks great and is very dense and oily. Those characteristics suggest that > it's best used on boats in small applications where strength is required > and weight doesn't matter much. If the coamings are large, then its weight > might be a factor. Because of the oiliness, it's likely to be hard to > varnish. An oil finish would probably be suitable and would probably be > fairly durable. Just steer away from those orange colored oil finishes, > which look pretty awful to my eye. > > WoodenBoat magazine has carried a column on wood characteristics for many > years. I'm sure the author has addressed ipe at some time in the past. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >

I just like the way teak looks... [cid:image010.jpg@01CCDA81.40AC93F0] [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MYTCbedx4S0/TmcfP72AnuI/AAAAAAAAAzQ/MADFhu32e-w/s640/IMG_8562.JPG] [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mBC4vi7GruY/TmcfOIevCcI/AAAAAAAAAzM/76lMG8I9G-A/s640/IMG_8561.JPG] [cid:image013.jpg@01CCDA81.40AC93F0] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:54 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards (Fin) And bravo for the remarks about keeping our boats pretty. Sailboats are among the loveliest creations of mankind, at least in their best form. Part of it is that they are designed to move effectively through water and air, and that affects design considerations So in addition to durability, I also aim for keeping my boats pretty. That's why I always smile as I row away from the Cal 20 on her mooring. Chris Campbell

well said! From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards (Fin) On 1/23/2012 5:46 PM, mike wrote: >Fin, >We wouldn't have been replacing our teak had it been taken care of as well as it should have been. Ours was 45 years old also but had splits and the joints that had been scarfed had huge glue gaps from previous attempts at repair that looked like crap. It was functional, but why dress the prom queen in a potato sack? I think that the point about teak was that if the new sailor chose it for the repairs, then it was likely to be durable and long-lasting. That's something I always aim for, knowing that I am not likely to be the last owner of my boats. And bravo for the remarks about keeping our boats pretty. Sailboats are among the loveliest creations of mankind, at least in their best form. Part of it is that they are designed to move effectively through water and air, and that affects design considerations. Part of it is the need to maximize functional use of spaces constrained by other considerations (sailboats are not houseboats). Part of it is economy, the unwillingness to add unnecessary expense to building something that's already pricey or weight that slows things down. The result is that sailboats tend to please the eye mightily. The European designers seem intent on diminishing the roles of function and economy, building wild design exercises in much the way that American car companies built chrome and fin-laden products in the 1950s. But who can look at Ray Hunt's Concordia yawl, for example, and not know that humans are capable of great things? A sailing friend sent me a short video of a new trimaran last night. Its aesthetics are light years from the Concordia yawl, but it was a handsome craft in its own right because of the successful adaptation of form to function. So in addition to durability, I also aim for keeping my boats pretty. That's why I always smile as I row away from the Cal 20 on her mooring. Chris Campbell

RC Hunt's Concordia Yawl is beautiful, as you say Chris! [http://www.concordiaboats.com/images/coriolis/coriolis_11_1100x730.jpg] [http://www.concordiaboats.com/images/coriolis/coriolis_19_720x960.png] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards (Fin) . But who can look at Ray Hunt's Concordia yawl, for example, and not know that humans are capable of great thingsSo in addition to durability, I also aim for keeping my boats pretty. That's why I always smile as I row away from the Cal 20 on her mooring. Chris Campbell

Quintessential yacht! On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:46 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > > RC Hunt’s Concordia Yawl is beautiful, as you say Chris! > > <image006.jpg> > <image007.jpg> > Cheers, > > <image005.png> > Timm Lessley > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls > > From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Boards (Fin) > > > . But who can look at Ray Hunt's Concordia yawl, for example, and not know that humans are capable of great thingsSo in addition to durability, I also aim for keeping my boats pretty. That's why I always smile as I row away from the Cal 20 on her mooring. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > >