Laptop hold down

I am building a shelf to hold a laptop and converter etc on Papoose. I am unsure how to secure the laptop and a Google search didn't bring anything up. How do people secure laptops onboard? Papoose can at times heal 45 degrees so it needs something fairly secure. I would be interested to hear how others hold their laptops down. Allen

Hi Allen, I would suggest getting a docking station for the laptop, and then securing the docking station to the shelf. The laptop would then be locked into docking station when you have it on-board and quick release to take it home. Jerry On 1/20/12 10:31 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > I am building a shelf to hold a laptop and converter etc on Papoose. > I am unsure how to secure the laptop and a Google search didn't bring > anything up. How do people secure laptops onboard? Papoose can at > times heal 45 degrees so it needs something fairly secure. > > > I would be interested to hear how others hold their laptops down. > > Allen >

Alan, Four solutions I've used. Docking Station Remote Storage Simple Platform Caveman - duct tape I know that you can actually buy specialized equipment (articulating arms and modular computers), but I am too Scottish to buy them. Docking Station I tried a docking station with a (required) larger power supply, but had constant issues that I could not resolve (software interrupts) aka "blue screen of death". A docking station seems to be the right way to go, but I could not coordinate the VHF, SSB, demodulator, multiplexer, GPS, Epirb, instrument, autopilot, software (sentinel) dongle keys, and software/firmware/driver issues. There is the issue securing the docking station and laptop, that Velcro/straps could probably manage. Remote Storage I am working on this solution, which involves the laptop closed and stored in the Cal 40 "hermetically" sealed booze locker, using a Bluetooth mouse and waterproof keyboard, but I have not yet found a satisfactory low voltage monitor. I use my "home monitor in the testing stage, but it uses too much power. I refuse to pay $4000 for a waterproof monitor. I settled on two ways, Both solutions have survived ocean crossings and death rolls Simple and Caveman;. . Simple Freewind: A plastic office wall hanging "in box" with Straps and Velcro from WM. I put Velcro between the Laptop and the stand and the stand and the desk, and use the straps to secure the stand, and also a strap over the laptop. The underside of the stand provides a space to store wiring and "parts" [cid:im… [at] 01CCD768.CF63DA20] [cid:im… [at] 01CCD768.CF63DA20] [cid:im… [at] 01CCD768.CF63DA20] Caveman On California Girl we have been using a caveman method for 12 years. Six strips of Blue tape and three strips of duct tape. Blue tape the edges of the laptop and desk outline to protect from duct tape glue residue. Duct tape laptop into position on three sides. If the race is wet; tape a plastic cover over the monitor and keyboard. Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down I am building a shelf to hold a laptop and converter etc on Papoose. I am unsure how to secure the laptop and a Google search didn't bring anything up. How do people secure laptops onboard? Papoose can at times heal 45 degrees so it needs something fairly secure. I would be interested to hear how others hold their laptops down. Allen

Thanks Timm and Jerry, My laptop will be a 2000 vintage Vaio running Ubuntu and OpenCPN. It draws 22 watts, has a nice clear 15 inch display, and not use at all for anything else. The nice thing about Linux unlike Windows, is that these old machines still work. With windoze, the race would be over before the program loaded. I don't think a docking station is going to happen even if the power draw wasn't and issue as they are not around as far as I can tell. Simple looks pretty good. I need to be able to remove it as nothing electronic left on the boat will be working a year later unless it is marine grade. Another reason not to secure a docking station to the boat. I am still interested in what other people do. Allen On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > Alan, **** > > ** ** > > Four solutions I’ve used. **** > > ** ** > > Docking Station**** > > Remote Storage**** > > Simple Platform**** > > Caveman – duct tape**** > > ** ** > > I know that you can actually buy specialized equipment (articulating arms > and modular computers), but I am too Scottish to buy them.**** > > ** ** > > *Docking Station* > > I tried a docking station with a (required) larger power supply, but had > constant issues that I could not resolve (software interrupts) aka “blue > screen of death”. A docking station seems to be the right way to go, but I > could not coordinate the VHF, SSB, demodulator, multiplexer, GPS, Epirb, > instrument, autopilot, software (sentinel) dongle keys, and > software/firmware/driver issues. There is the issue securing the docking > station and laptop, that Velcro/straps could probably manage.**** > > ** ** > > *Remote Storage* > > I am working on this solution, which involves the laptop closed and stored > in the Cal 40 “hermetically” sealed booze locker, using a Bluetooth mouse > and waterproof keyboard, but I have not yet found a satisfactory low > voltage monitor. I use my “home monitor in the testing stage, but it uses > too much power. I refuse to pay $4000 for a waterproof monitor.**** > > ** ** > > I settled on two ways, **** > > ** ** > > Both solutions have survived ocean crossings and death rolls**** > > Simple and Caveman;. **** > > .**** > > *Simple* > > Freewind: A plastic office wall hanging “in box” with Straps and Velcro > from WM.**** > > ** ** > > I put Velcro between the Laptop and the stand and the stand and the desk, > and use the straps to secure the stand, and also a strap over the laptop.* > *** > > The underside of the stand provides a space to store wiring and “parts”*** > * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > *Caveman* > > On California Girl we have been using a caveman method for 12 years.**** > > ** ** > > Six strips of Blue tape and three strips of duct tape.**** > > Blue tape the edges of the laptop and desk outline to protect from duct > tape glue residue.**** > > Duct tape laptop into position on three sides.**** > > If the race is wet; tape a plastic cover over the monitor and keyboard.*** > * > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 10:31 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down**** > > ** ** > > **** > > I am building a shelf to hold a laptop and converter etc on Papoose. I am > unsure how to secure the laptop and a Google search didn't bring anything > up. How do people secure laptops onboard? Papoose can at times heal 45 > degrees so it needs something fairly secure.**** > > ** ** > > I would be interested to hear how others hold their laptops down.**** > > ** ** > > Allen**** > > **** > > >

Allen, I run Linux (Fedora) with Open CPN on a old Dell laptop. I used bungee's to hold it down at the nav station. To keep water off of it, I used Saran Wrap around the display and over the keyboard. It has worked well on both Fort Lauderrdale to Key West races. Michael From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down Thanks Timm and Jerry, My laptop will be a 2000 vintage Vaio running Ubuntu and OpenCPN. It draws 22 watts, has a nice clear 15 inch display, and not use at all for anything else. The nice thing about Linux unlike Windows, is that these old machines still work. With windoze, the race would be over before the program loaded. I don't think a docking station is going to happen even if the power draw wasn't and issue as they are not around as far as I can tell. Simple looks pretty good. I need to be able to remove it as nothing electronic left on the boat will be working a year later unless it is marine grade. Another reason not to secure a docking station to the boat. I am still interested in what other people do. Allen On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >Alan, > >Four solutions I’ve used. > >Docking Station >Remote Storage >Simple Platform >Caveman – duct tape > >I know that you can actually buy specialized equipment (articulating arms and modular computers), but I am too Scottish to buy them. > >Docking Station >I tried a docking station with a (required) larger power supply, but had constant issues that I could not resolve (software interrupts) aka “blue screen of death”. A docking station seems to be the right way to go, but I could not coordinate the VHF, SSB, demodulator, multiplexer, GPS, Epirb, instrument, autopilot, software (sentinel) dongle keys, and software/firmware/driver issues. There is the issue securing the docking station and laptop, that Velcro/straps could probably manage. > >Remote Storage >I am working on this solution, which involves the laptop closed and stored in the Cal 40 “hermetically” sealed booze locker, using a Bluetooth mouse and waterproof keyboard, but I have not yet found a satisfactory low voltage monitor. I use my “home monitor in the testing stage, but it uses too much power. I refuse to pay $4000 for a waterproof monitor. > >I settled on two ways, > >Both solutions have survived ocean crossings and death rolls >Simple and Caveman;. >. >Simple >Freewind: A plastic office wall hanging “in box” with Straps and Velcro from WM. > >I put Velcro between the Laptop and the stand and the stand and the desk, and use the straps to secure the stand, and also a strap over the laptop. >The underside of the stand provides a space to store wiring and “parts” > >Caveman >On California Girl we have been using a caveman method for 12 years. > >Six strips of Blue tape and three strips of duct tape. >Blue tape the edges of the laptop and desk outline to protect from duct tape glue residue. >Duct tape laptop into position on three sides. >If the race is wet; tape a plastic cover over the monitor and keyboard. > > > >Cheers, > >Timm Lessley >503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:31 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down > > >I am building a shelf to hold a laptop and converter etc on Papoose. I am unsure how to secure the laptop and a Google search didn't bring anything up. How do people secure laptops onboard? Papoose can at times heal 45 degrees so it needs something fairly secure. > >I would be interested to hear how others hold their laptops down. > >Allen

Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? /ch

I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. Allen. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or long > term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is the > putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? > > /ch > > >

I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves it. Simple solution that seems to work. If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. /ch On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race > location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in > a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table > built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly > with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any > straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a > mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. > > Allen. > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or long >> term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is the >> putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >> >> /ch >> >> > > > > -- /ch

Thanks Chris, That sounds like a good solution. I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from Maptech and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" one. Kind of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I could dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see if that helps with our starts. I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) Allen On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch > strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it > in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the > back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves > it. Simple solution that seems to work. > > If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap > smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much > better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) > > Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we say. > One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your humming > with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version on > android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. > > Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple > products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof > but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. > > /ch > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com > > wrote: > >> >> >> I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race >> location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in >> a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table >> built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly >> with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any >> straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a >> mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >> >> Allen. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or >>> long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is >>> the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>> >>> /ch >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > /ch > > > >

I hear ya. The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley (British boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of the rear quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not needed it just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever arrangement on a small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) Have pics if it interests you. /ch On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Thanks Chris, > > That sounds like a good solution. > > I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from Maptech > and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" one. Kind > of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I could > dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see if > that helps with our starts. > > I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) > > Allen > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch >> strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it >> in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the >> back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves >> it. Simple solution that seems to work. >> >> If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap >> smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much >> better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) >> >> Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we >> say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your >> humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version >> on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. >> >> Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple >> products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof >> but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. >> >> /ch >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards < >> al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race >>> location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in >>> a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table >>> built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly >>> with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any >>> straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a >>> mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >>> >>> Allen. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or >>>> long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is >>>> the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>>> >>>> /ch >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> /ch >> >> >> > > > > -- /ch

interested To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:40:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down I hear ya. The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley (British boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of the rear quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not needed it just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever arrangement on a small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) Have pics if it interests you. /ch On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Chris, That sounds like a good solution. I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from Maptech and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" one. Kind of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I could dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see if that helps with our starts. I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) Allen On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves it. Simple solution that seems to work. If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. /ch On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. Allen. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? /ch -- /ch -- /ch

That could be a nice solution as well. I could attach something under the table I built that slides in out of the way and then I could use the table for other things. I would like to see the pictures. Allen On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > I hear ya. > > The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley (British > boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of the rear > quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not needed it > just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever arrangement on a > small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) > > Have pics if it interests you. > > /ch > > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> Thanks Chris, >> >> That sounds like a good solution. >> >> I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from Maptech >> and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" one. Kind >> of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I could >> dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see if >> that helps with our starts. >> >> I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) >> >> Allen >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch >>> strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it >>> in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the >>> back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves >>> it. Simple solution that seems to work. >>> >>> If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap >>> smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much >>> better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) >>> >>> Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we >>> say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your >>> humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version >>> on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. >>> >>> Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple >>> products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof >>> but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. >>> >>> /ch >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards < >>> al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race >>>> location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in >>>> a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table >>>> built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly >>>> with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any >>>> straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a >>>> mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >>>> >>>> Allen. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or >>>>> long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is >>>>> the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>>>> >>>>> /ch >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> /ch >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > /ch > > > >

Its a really simple system. Basically a wood channel on which the plate slides. You can add a drawer or not, or the drawer front can flip down to add to the length of the table. Alternatively the drawer and table can be two separate units one sliding out the drawer being stationary. Wrt to the table you need a channel on one side only, the end of the table is supported by a fold out wing that catches the end to stabilize it, or alternatively the table bolts into something with a sliding catch, you need something solid at the other end. On small Cals this is simple on larger ones I would use the folding out wing. The total affair can be on either port, starboard, or athwart ship pending on your layout. Its really a simple concept that saves a lot of space. On a 3-29 its perfect for the port quarter birth as this is where the engine access is. A fold out wing affair can hold the nav table in place. Its really simple. Just use your imagination as to your particular application. /ch On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > That could be a nice solution as well. I could attach something under the > table I built that slides in out of the way and then I could use the table > for other things. I would like to see the pictures. > > Allen > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I hear ya. >> >> The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley >> (British boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of >> the rear quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not >> needed it just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever >> arrangement on a small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) >> >> Have pics if it interests you. >> >> /ch >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Chris, >>> >>> That sounds like a good solution. >>> >>> I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from >>> Maptech and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" >>> one. Kind of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I >>> could dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see >>> if that helps with our starts. >>> >>> I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch >>>> strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it >>>> in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the >>>> back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves >>>> it. Simple solution that seems to work. >>>> >>>> If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap >>>> smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much >>>> better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) >>>> >>>> Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we >>>> say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your >>>> humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version >>>> on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple >>>> products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof >>>> but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. >>>> >>>> /ch >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards < >>>> al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the >>>>> race location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below >>>>> deck in a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the >>>>> table built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and >>>>> holly with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for >>>>> any straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a >>>>> mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >>>>> >>>>> Allen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 < >>>>> ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or >>>>>> long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is >>>>>> the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>>>>> >>>>>> /ch >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> /ch >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> /ch >> >> >> > > > > -- /ch

OK, since you are interested I got my nav table finished and the computer working pretty well. I put it on the table and find that it is taller than the one I used to make sure there was enough space. In other words, it doesn't fit! So I figure I will just use the newer machine. The Linux one is a bit slow and the Lenovo isn't my main laptop so no big deal. Except the LT-20 doesn't work with Windows 7. So, I have one that won't fit and one that won't work. Seems that people are recommending something called a BU353 GPS puck. Except OpenCPN says that people are having trouble with it and Windows 7 so it isn't recommended. The LT-20 locks up (green light) I just can't read it. It worked fine with Linux. If I could find my serial to USB converter I could try that on my old Garmin but I must have left it on the boat. Frustrating. Allen On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > That could be a nice solution as well. I could attach something under the > table I built that slides in out of the way and then I could use the table > for other things. I would like to see the pictures. > > Allen > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I hear ya. >> >> The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley >> (British boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of >> the rear quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not >> needed it just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever >> arrangement on a small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) >> >> Have pics if it interests you. >> >> /ch >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Chris, >>> >>> That sounds like a good solution. >>> >>> I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from >>> Maptech and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" >>> one. Kind of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I >>> could dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see >>> if that helps with our starts. >>> >>> I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch >>>> strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it >>>> in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the >>>> back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves >>>> it. Simple solution that seems to work. >>>> >>>> If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap >>>> smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much >>>> better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) >>>> >>>> Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we >>>> say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your >>>> humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version >>>> on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple >>>> products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof >>>> but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. >>>> >>>> /ch >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards < >>>> al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the >>>>> race location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below >>>>> deck in a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the >>>>> table built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and >>>>> holly with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for >>>>> any straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a >>>>> mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >>>>> >>>>> Allen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 < >>>>> ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or >>>>>> long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is >>>>>> the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>>>>> >>>>>> /ch >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> /ch >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> /ch >> >> >> >> > >

This was sent to the group by mistake. Sorry. Allen On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > OK, since you are interested I got my nav table finished and the computer > working pretty well. I put it on the table and find that it is taller than > the one I used to make sure there was enough space. In other words, it > doesn't fit! > > So I figure I will just use the newer machine. The Linux one is a bit > slow and the Lenovo isn't my main laptop so no big deal. Except the LT-20 > doesn't work with Windows 7. So, I have one that won't fit and one that > won't work. > > Seems that people are recommending something called a BU353 GPS puck. > Except OpenCPN says that people are having trouble with it and Windows 7 > so it isn't recommended. > > The LT-20 locks up (green light) I just can't read it. It worked fine > with Linux. > > If I could find my serial to USB converter I could try that on my old > Garmin but I must have left it on the boat. > > Frustrating. > > Allen > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> That could be a nice solution as well. I could attach something under >> the table I built that slides in out of the way and then I could use the >> table for other things. I would like to see the pictures. >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> I hear ya. >>> >>> The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley >>> (British boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of >>> the rear quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not >>> needed it just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever >>> arrangement on a small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) >>> >>> Have pics if it interests you. >>> >>> /ch >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards < >>> al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Chris, >>>> >>>> That sounds like a good solution. >>>> >>>> I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from >>>> Maptech and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" >>>> one. Kind of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I >>>> could dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see >>>> if that helps with our starts. >>>> >>>> I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) >>>> >>>> Allen >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six >>>>> inch strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to >>>>> hold it in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip >>>>> on the back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. >>>>> Nothing moves it. Simple solution that seems to work. >>>>> >>>>> If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap >>>>> smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much >>>>> better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) >>>>> >>>>> Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we >>>>> say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your >>>>> humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version >>>>> on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple >>>>> products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof >>>>> but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. >>>>> >>>>> /ch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards < >>>>> al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the >>>>>> race location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below >>>>>> deck in a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the >>>>>> table built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and >>>>>> holly with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for >>>>>> any straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a >>>>>> mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Allen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 < >>>>>> ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or >>>>>>> long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is >>>>>>> the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /ch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> /ch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> /ch >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >

wait till the solar flares die down, for several reasons. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down This was sent to the group by mistake. Sorry. Allen On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: OK, since you are interested I got my nav table finished and the computer working pretty well. I put it on the table and find that it is taller than the one I used to make sure there was enough space. In other words, it doesn't fit! > > >So I figure I will just use the newer machine. The Linux one is a bit slow and the Lenovo isn't my main laptop so no big deal. Except the LT-20 doesn't work with Windows 7. So, I have one that won't fit and one that won't work. > > >Seems that people are recommending something called a BU353 GPS puck. Except OpenCPN says that people are having trouble with it and Windows 7 so it isn't recommended. > > >The LT-20 locks up (green light) I just can't read it. It worked fine with Linux. > > >If I could find my serial to USB converter I could try that on my old Garmin but I must have left it on the boat. > > >Frustrating. > >Allen > > > >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >That could be a nice solution as well. I could attach something under the table I built that slides in out of the way and then I could use the table for other things. I would like to see the pictures. >> >>Allen >> >> >> >>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >>>I hear ya. >>> >>>The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley (British boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of the rear quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not needed it just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever arrangement on a small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) >>> >>>Have pics if it interests you. >>> >>>/ch >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Thanks Chris, >>>> >>>> >>>>That sounds like a good solution. >>>> >>>> >>>>I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from Maptech and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" one. Kind of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I could dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see if that helps with our starts. >>>> >>>> >>>>I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) >>>> >>>> >>>>Allen >>>> >>>> >>>>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves it. Simple solution that seems to work. >>>>> >>>>>If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) >>>>> >>>>>Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we say. One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your humming with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version on android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. >>>>> >>>>>Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. >>>>> >>>>>/ch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. >>>>>> >>>>>>Allen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>/ch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>/ch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>/ch >>> >>> >>> >> >

Good advice... On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ** > > > wait till the solar flares die down, for several reasons. Helen > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 12:43 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Laptop hold down > > > This was sent to the group by mistake. Sorry. > > Allen > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com > > wrote: > > OK, since you are interested I got my nav table finished and the computer > working pretty well. I put it on the table and find that it is taller than > the one I used to make sure there was enough space. In other words, it > doesn't fit! > > So I figure I will just use the newer machine. The Linux one is a bit > slow and the Lenovo isn't my main laptop so no big deal. Except the LT-20 > doesn't work with Windows 7. So, I have one that won't fit and one that > won't work. > > Seems that people are recommending something called a BU353 GPS puck. > Except OpenCPN says that people are having trouble with it and Windows 7 > so it isn't recommended. > > The LT-20 locks up (green light) I just can't read it. It worked fine > with Linux. > > If I could find my serial to USB converter I could try that on my old > Garmin but I must have left it on the boat. > > Frustrating. > > Allen > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > That could be a nice solution as well. I could attach something under the > table I built that slides in out of the way and then I could use the table > for other things. I would like to see the pictures. > > Allen > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > ** > > I hear ya. > > The nicest portable chart table arrangement I saw was on a Hurley (British > boat) basically it slides out (complete with drawer) from one of the rear > quarter birth on a wood slide and then locks in place. When not needed it > just slides back and the birth is available again. Clever arrangement on a > small boat that has crossed a couple of ponds..:) > > Have pics if it interests you. > > /ch > > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > > Thanks Chris, > > That sounds like a good solution. > > I have a chart program in my phone, I think it was $10 euros from Maptech > and I don't really "need" a computer onboard as much as I "want" one. Kind > of a gadget thing. I also have an extra android phone that I could > dedicate to the boat. I may run Beer Can Racer on it as well and see if > that helps with our starts. > > I took the table down to the boat today and it almost fits :-) > > Allen > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > ** > > I personally would abandon the tie downs for 2" wide Velcro. A six inch > strip at the top and bottom of the case will be more then enough to hold it > in place. Ive used it for everything. My G5 Grundig has a 2x2 strip on the > back and Ive mounted it on the bulkhead both in and out side. Nothing moves > it. Simple solution that seems to work. > > If you need opencpn outside of the cockpit, which I did is buy a cheap > smart phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace; 150 out the door new but you can do much > better) and then run MxMariner. 6 dollars (android version of OCPN) > > Link it via bluetooth to a bluetooth gps and then double bag it as we say. > One zip lock at the top and the second bag at the bottom. Now your humming > with OpenCPN at the nav station for your crew and the same version on > android at the tiller. Again Velcro is your friend. > > Hope that helps. There are no waterproof cases out yet for non apple > products. Otterbox has a new series out that is supposed to be waterproof > but remains untested. Simple solutions seem to work the best. > > /ch > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > I day sail and race. The longer uses would be for delivery to the race > location, not far but nice to know where you are. It will be below deck in > a little space above a quarter bearth I am building. I have the table > built but not installed. It is 1/2 inch marine plywood, teak and holly > with a teak bullnose. I am wondering how to make the tie downs for any > straps. I can drill in it and pass bungie through the holes, or make a > mice little bracket out of teak, not sure. > > Allen. > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > ** > > Under what conditions will you be sailing? Racing, weekend cruise or > long term cruiser setting? Some definition would help. Secondly, where is > the putter to be used, below decks, in the cockpit or both? > > /ch > > > > > > > > -- > /ch > > > > > > > > > -- > /ch > > > > > > > > >