Re: [Cal_Boats] East Coast Report (Chris)

Re: [Cal_Boats] East Coast Report (Chris)

2 messages2012-02-13 20:35 UTCthrough 2012-02-14 19:34 UTC

Re: [Cal_Boats] East Coast Report (Chris)

pw… [at] aol.com2012-02-13 20:35 UTC
Chris - I was just talking to the new commodore of our club in which we have 2 fleets that race in different locations. The small boat fleet, which is primarily Tanzer 22's with very close competitive racing, had a race last year where 3 boats bailed out of a race because they saw lightning off in the distance. The committee boat never saw it and everyone else finished the race. Well because of that, that fleet voted on a new rule that if 50% of the boats drop out, there is no race. Later it was discovered that all 3 boats were flying new headsails that day and none of them fit right so now everyone is wondering if that was the real reason. Anyway, the new commodore is going to suggest they follow the US Sailing rules that state only the race committee or the race manager (I think that is the word) can call a race and that any skipper can decide to quit at any time but it does not affect the race per se. Re: testosterone my wife apparently has more than I do, because she wanted to continue a race once where lightning was rolling in and we could see a line of white (wind and rain on the water) approaching us down the river. Fortunately, I am the captain and everyone listens to me and we got tied up at the dock literally 30 seconds before a huge storm hit. Had I screwed up the approach to the dock the first time it would have been ugly! The aforementioned commodore was on our boat that day and remembers it well as he was very nervous flaking the main and standing near the lightning rod LOL. Paul In a message dated 2/13/2012 3:18:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: On 2/13/2012 12:10 PM, Randy Alcorn wrote: Chris, I must defend a clubs decision to race in adverse conditions. Every skipper must sign an entry form acknowledging his vessel and crew are able to compete. The skipper goes out and he accepts the responsibilty of boat and crew. By being a racer and competing in heavy weather, I now know my boats upper limits and confident on what it can and can't do. My comments were based on the location and temperatures in question. Charlie had said that wind and temps were in the mid-20s. That's cold. Wind is one thing; wind plus severe temps is another. We were doing a schooner-crew training the other night and one trainer did a hand-out on hypothermia survival times at various water temperatures. We were talking about summer conditions here. It's much worse with winter conditions. Trying to retrieve a MOB (or COB) in Charlie's conditions would be very challenging. My own view is that sometimes it's worth exercising a bit of discretion when it's a choice between fun and danger. We guys sometimes get a bit of testosterone poisoning and think that our manhood will be shaken if we worry about safety. There were two deaths on one boat in the Chicago-Mac race last summer. The sailors had lots of experience and they had signed all the waivers but it turns out the boat wasn't suited for offshore work because of its range of stability among other things. I do lots of things that rational people tut-tut over, so I'm not immune to risks. I sail the iceboat and paddled the sea kayak on the Great Lakes for 137 consecutive months. I've grasped the iron wheel on the schooner when the lightning flash and boom were simultaneous (not that I had much choice). Rational people stay home and watch TV, I suppose. But there are times when it really is best to say "hey, guys, let's not go out today." I recall going sailing on my other boat with my Dad one day. We powered down the river and were entering the Bay and it was blowing up a bit. Dad said "this is too much like work, let's call it a day." Sometimes that's the right decision. Chris Campbell If I were sitting at the bar and looking out the window and worried about being out there, I would tend to sit at the bar and look out the window more than go out and sail. I have had some really beautiful days on the water that were more than I was comfortable with before I left the harbor. But, I have prepared my boat and crew for the stronger winds and conditions. Lat weekend we sailed in PBYCs first of the spring series. We had 18-20 knots with gusts to 25. With a #2 for the reach and a #3 for the weather leg, we did very well. The only time we gave up course was on the downwind leg, we chose not to fly a spinnaker in 9ft seas and left the #3 up and poled it out. We surfed 8.9 and 9.1 to the finish. Best Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: Chris Campbell _<cc… [at] lsnm.org>_ (mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org) To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] East Coast Report On 2/12/2012 4:11 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: Hi, All. With both the winds (gusts much higher) and the temps in the mid 20s, our Frostbite races were cancelled today. It was good hanging out in the warm bar socializing with the competition. News people kept using the word "gale". Added problem is that an NW breeze is accelerated down the Severn River (high bluffs on the shores create a funnel). The wind in the river can be 5+ knots higher. Not to mention a very short high chop that develops. One could readily sail in these conditions (and it is good to practice this so one can do it when needed), My theory on such matters is that we have enough involuntary opportunities to practice in such conditions, so why take unnecessary risks voluntarily? Sometimes we choose to go out in rough conditions just for the hell of it, and that's OK. But holding an organized event tends to coerce the less-willing folks to go out, and that's not so OK. Chris Campbell

Re: [Cal_Boats] East Coast Report (Chris)

Chris Campbell2012-02-14 19:34 UTC
On 2/13/2012 3:35 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > Chris - > I was just talking to the new commodore of our club in which we have 2 > fleets that race in different locations. The small boat fleet, which > is primarily Tanzer 22's with very close competitive racing, had a > race last year where 3 boats bailed out of a race because they saw > lightning off in the distance. The committee boat never saw it and > everyone else finished the race. Well because of that, that > fleet voted on a new rule that if 50% of the boats drop out, there is > no race. Later it was discovered that all 3 boats were flying new > headsails that day and none of them fit right so now everyone is > wondering if that was the real reason. Anyway, the new commodore is > going to suggest they follow the US Sailing rules that state only the > race committee or the race manager (I think that is the word) can call > a race and that any skipper can decide to quit at any time but it does > not affect the race per se. > Re: testosterone my wife apparently has more than I do, because she > wanted to continue a race once where lightning was rolling in and we > could see a line of white (wind and rain on the water) approaching us > down the river. Fortunately, I am the captain and everyone listens to > me and we got tied up at the dock literally 30 seconds before a huge > storm hit. Had I screwed up the approach to the dock the first time > it would have been ugly! The aforementioned commodore was on our boat > that day and remembers it well as he was very nervous flaking the main > and standing near the lightning rod LOL. Long ago in grad school I raced with the U-M sailing club, northwest of Ann Arbor on Base Line Lake. I was a poor student and could not afford high-tech warmth gear, so I'd be out there in my Dad's old WW II field jacket, a wool sweater, long underwear, and jeans. I can remember sailing when the sheets wouldn't run through the blocks because of ice on them. Another memory is how bitterly cold I got. Now I've got fleece this and that, polypro long undies of various weights, semi-permeable membranes in the outer garments, and many other advantages. For the iceboat, there's this great old snowmobile suit that goes over lots of other layers. But if you're on the water and both wind and temps are in the 20s, I'd sure prefer to be with the crew on shore looking out. Sometimes the disputes between crew members over whether to head for shelter or not are less a matter of testosterone than familiarity with weather signs. You probably recognized the real danger approaching, and your wife didn't really see it. What I really hate is when the bad stuff hits just as you enter a confined channel or a busy spot or some other place where your maneuvering is limited. It makes life very exciting. It also makes for great stories later. Chris Campbell