Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control

Yeah, you can't make anything idiot proof as they are always coming out with better idiots. Paul In a message dated 2/15/2012 10:45:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ti… [at] ch2m.com writes: A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete idiots. Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Courter Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I have the Spinlock. Works fine, I like it. Hasn't stopped inexperienced crew from shifting at high rpms. You can move it from full forward to full reverse before the engine has hardly begun to slow down. John From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

This spinlocks are great but darn expensive. as you need two components. The mechanism and the plate. I bought a morse controller off the Bayfield list for 50 bucks. If you search craiglist (best is craiggers.com) or ebay they do show up. /ch

1) "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool" 2) "Design a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will use it!" To me that means that most people will prove the validity of #1! If I had a dollar for every time I've seen that proven...... I'd be sailing a CAL 46 instead of a Day Sailer II. I'll add one more.... "It is easy to design something to be "Fool-Proof", but impossible to make it "Damn Fool-Proof!" Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:45:04 +0000 <ti… [at] ch2m.com> writes: Two of my favorite phrases.... A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete idiots. Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Courter Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I have the Spinlock. Works fine, I like it. Hasn't stopped inexperienced crew from shifting at high rpms. You can move it from full forward to full reverse before the engine has hardly begun to slow down. John From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f3bda3758ff5146b617st06duc

I agree the Spinlock has a good cost, (which is about ½ the cost of one of my high-tech halyards) - for me it provides a fantastic value. I suggested the device in an attempt to minimize high speed shifts between forward and reverse, the added feature of being physically invisible in the cockpit. I purchased my unit for California Girl in Canada, after a race up the coast. An "invisible" crew member had had stepped on and broke off the "normal" shifter. Invisible in the sense no one admitted to causing the damage. After guiding the boat into harbor at night with a man on the engine running the throttle / transmission via hand, I started looking for a modern shifter with a removable shift handle. (Cal 40's originally came with an excellent shifter using a shift handle). The unit is flawless to date, and on longer cruises we just remove the handle so the accidental "Aw SHZT" moment does not happen from someone accidentally kicking the lever. The old Morse control was also a thought, and I have one on Freewind, But Only a skilled and concerned operator (read owner) can normally make this set up work safely. [cid:image002.png@01CCEBC3.647CC3B0] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:02 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control This spinlocks are great but darn expensive. as you need two components. The mechanism and the plate. I bought a morse controller off the Bayfield list for 50 bucks. If you search craiglist (best is craiggers.com<http://craiggers.com>) or ebay they do show up. /ch

Concur to both of you!! Kind of why I like sailboats over motorboats -- it actually takes learning a skill to get the best out of a sailboat. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS I am tired of media being "dumbed down" to the market. Print intelligent articles and make the rabble learn how to read it! From: "Rodney G. Johnson" <rj… [at] juno.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:14:39 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control  1) "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool" 2) "Design a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will use it!" To me that means that most people will prove the validity of #1! If I had a dollar for every time I've seen that proven...... I'd be sailing a CAL 46 instead of a Day Sailer II. I'll add one more.... "It is easy to design something to be "Fool-Proof", but impossible to make it "Damn Fool-Proof!" Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:45:04 +0000 < ti… [at] ch2m.com > writes: Two of my favorite phrases.... A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete idiots. Cheers, cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70 Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Courter Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I have the Spinlock. Works fine, I like it. Hasn't stopped inexperienced crew from shifting at high rpms. You can move it from full forward to full reverse before the engine has hardly begun to slow down. John From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

I hear ya....but...ya know there has to be a butt..:) Yanmar specs a single lever controller for several engines like the 2QM15 and others to ensure proper engine handling on the one and two cylinder engines. The one I purchase a while back was a two lever unit and you can setup the detante in combination with the cable to get it working properly, forward, neutral, reverse. Just rev down the engine to the recommended rpm (the face plate unit still needs a tac) and shift. Having had an A-4 with old cables and doing and emergency repair in the winter of 2009 by moving the throttle control off the binnacle, the stock 29 binnacle is a bear to work on, to the lazaratte side and putting in a new morse high end cable, smooth as butter. When the engine went on me in Cape May, rebuilding here on the water, the trani got all screwed up by the addition of Marvel Mystery fluid, saved the engine but too slippery for the A-4 trani. Six oil changes later, after six to get the water out, including sucking out the trani each time, and two days later, the proper detante was achived on a rusty old cable to engage forward neutral and reverse. Bitch of an experience, but learned soooo much. Its a bear to remove the trani cable on a 29 binnacle so went with a used morse. I agree with you Tim, in a race boat where things get harry the Spinlock system is ideal. For a cost concious cuiser that is not on a schedule nor rushed outside of an emergency, a morse single lever controller will comply with the manufactures spec and will be of little trouble. Just my 2 pennies. Best regards /ch On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > >

Now we all know why there is more than one color at the paint store.... Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I hear ya....but...ya know there has to be a butt..:)