single lever shifter/fuel control

I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

Reggie - Volvo makes them. Seen one or two old listings for used ones being sold on the internet. Also, the Volvo brochure would have new ones: http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/accessories/Pages/Accessories.aspx I used one on someone else's boat & it was nice not worrying about anyone doing exactly what you described. Dunno who else makes them. Cheers - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:30 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

Too bad you cannot use one of these, Any "modern winch handle" is the lever, and is removable to keep the cockpit Clean from obstacles. Very simple and useable [http://www.angusbeare.com/Portals/1/spinlock%20lever%20web.jpg] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Crouch, Dyer Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control Reggie - Volvo makes them. Seen one or two old listings for used ones being sold on the internet. Also, the Volvo brochure would have new ones: http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/accessories/Pages/Accessories.aspx I used one on someone else's boat & it was nice not worrying about anyone doing exactly what you described. Dunno who else makes them. Cheers - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:30 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

Reggie, I have seen one that used a winch handle as the shift lever. I thought it would work great in our boat as it makes for a cleaner cockpit. I will find the manufacturer for you as soon as I am able. (I am currently encountering sporadic net access sas we sail the big boat south). From: "Crouch, Dyer" <dx… [at] pge.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 21:37:59 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control Reggie - Volvo makes them. Seen one or two old listings for used ones being sold on the internet. Also, the Volvo brochure would have new ones: http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/acce ssories/Pages/Accessories.aspx I used one on someone else's boat & it was nice not worrying about anyone doing exactly what you described. Dunno who else makes them. Cheers - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:30 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

This is also what I meant when I wrote before reading rest of thread. Thanks, Tim! From: ti… [at] ch2m.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 22:57:22 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control Too bad you cannot use one of these, Any “modern winch handle” is the lever, and is removable to keep the cockpit Clean from obstacles. Very simple and useable Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Crouch, Dyer Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control Reggie – Volvo makes them. Seen one or two old listings for used ones being sold on the internet. Also, the Volvo brochure would have new ones: http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/accessories/Pages/Accessories.aspx I used one on someone else’s boat & it was nice not worrying about anyone doing exactly what you described. Dunno who else makes them. Cheers – Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:30 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

Spinlock control Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Mike McElhaney [mailto:mi… [at] wahini.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 08:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control Reggie, I have seen one that used a winch handle as the shift lever. I thought it would work great in our boat as it makes for a cleaner cockpit. I will find the manufacturer for you as soon as I am able. (I am currently encountering sporadic net access sas we sail the big boat south). From: "Crouch, Dyer" <dx… [at] pge.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 21:37:59 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control Reggie – Volvo makes them. Seen one or two old listings for used ones being sold on the internet. Also, the Volvo brochure would have new ones: http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/accessories/Pages/Accessories.aspx I used one on someone else’s boat & it was nice not worrying about anyone doing exactly what you described. Dunno who else makes them. Cheers – Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:30 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

I have the Spinlock. Works fine, I like it. Hasn't stopped inexperienced crew from shifting at high rpms. You can move it from full forward to full reverse before the engine has hardly begun to slow down. John From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete idiots. Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Courter Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I have the Spinlock. Works fine, I like it. Hasn't stopped inexperienced crew from shifting at high rpms. You can move it from full forward to full reverse before the engine has hardly begun to slow down. John From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? Reggie

On 2/15/2012 10:45 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > idiots. > I got fired once from the sailboat rental operation where I worked as a student in the summer. We had a doctor who rented and always managed to create disasters. One day he came in on a run, smacking hard into the dock under sail to stop his forward progress. It had been a long day and I commenced making audible comments about fools and idiots. The fool in question remonstrated with my boss, who fired me. But there was a silver lining. The owner of the operation, a sailor, was present, and he agreed with my evaluation of the situation. I was reinstated within 1/2 hour of my termination. One of his boats, by the way, was a Cal 20, the first one I'd ever seen. Chris Campbell

Great story, Chris! I would have re-hired you and fired the guy that fired you. And then talked the doctor into paying for sailing lessons! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" From: "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:06:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control On 2/15/2012 10:45 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete idiots. I got fired once from the sailboat rental operation where I worked as a student in the summer. We had a doctor who rented and always managed to create disasters. One day he came in on a run, smacking hard into the dock under sail to stop his forward progress. It had been a long day and I commenced making audible comments about fools and idiots. The fool in question remonstrated with my boss, who fired me. But there was a silver lining. The owner of the operation, a sailor, was present, and he agreed with my evaluation of the situation. I was reinstated within 1/2 hour of my termination. One of his boats, by the way, was a Cal 20, the first one I'd ever seen. Chris Campbell

Teleflex makes one designed for Sailboats. Single Lever Side Mount Sail Boat Engine Control, CH2100 Volvo does, Mathers are nice, there are many, I have used a Telflex system that was fit onto a 1960s Bristol, it worked. Uflex is another name I have seen, these are side mounted models so I am not sure if that is what you want. Just looked at Edson site, they also sell a side mount single, so looks like it would work, does not always mean it will, so research it and ask your mechanic. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, r good <my1972ih@...> wrote: > > > I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). > > Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. > > there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? > > Reggie >

I think all the shifters mentioned so far are designed to be bulkhead mounted. I'm hoping to find one which is mounted at the pedestal, similar to http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=85_95_216 If you scroll down the page, you may see purchase price numbers which have made me want to find an alternative. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ro… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:42:30 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: single lever shifter/fuel control Teleflex makes one designed for Sailboats. Single Lever Side Mount Sail Boat Engine Control, CH2100 Volvo does, Mathers are nice, there are many, I have used a Telflex system that was fit onto a 1960s Bristol, it worked. Uflex is another name I have seen, these are side mounted models so I am not sure if that is what you want. Just looked at Edson site, they also sell a side mount single, so looks like it would work, does not always mean it will, so research it and ask your mechanic. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, r good <my1972ih@...> wrote: > > > I am looking for a single lever combined shift and fuel control to use at the steering pedestal of my sailboat. Edson builds one, but if I use it I canot use the steering brake on my old non-edson pedestal (and a new Edson control is quite pricey). > > Why do I want one, you ask? To avoid having high RPM shifts from forward to reverse or the opposite. Inexperienced crew, and sometimes over-reved experienced crew, sometimes forget to reduce fuel before shifting, thereby having the potential to cause much drivetrain damage. > > there are others out there, some no longer made, I'm sure. Any ideas? > > Reggie >

On 2/15/2012 1:27 PM, dn… [at] comcast.net wrote: > Great story, Chris! I would have re-hired you and fired the guy that > fired you. And then talked the doctor into paying for sailing lessons! This is not a snarky gripe about doctors. My father, brother, brother-in-law, and brother-in-law's brother-in-law are all orthopedic surgeons (really). That said, a pathologist once gave a lecture to our bar association about pilot errors and mortality in plane crashes. He (a physician, mind you) contended that doctors were the worst pilots because they were accustomed to such deference (especially surgeons). They came to see themselves as omnipotent and wise, so they'd fly off into wretched weather that more modest pilots would avoid. That seemed to be this sailor's problem. He did not need instruction. Chris Campbell > > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To: *"Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:06:59 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] single lever shifter/fuel control > > On 2/15/2012 10:45 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely idiot proof was to underestimate the ingenuity of > complete idiots. > > > I got fired once from the sailboat rental operation where I worked as > a student in the summer. We had a doctor who rented and always > managed to create disasters. One day he came in on a run, smacking > hard into the dock under sail to stop his forward progress. It had > been a long day and I commenced making audible comments about fools > and idiots. The fool in question remonstrated with my boss, who fired me. > > But there was a silver lining. > > The owner of the operation, a sailor, was present, and he agreed with > my evaluation of the situation. I was reinstated within 1/2 hour of > my termination. One of his boats, by the way, was a Cal 20, the first > one I'd ever seen. > > Chris Campbell > >