Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck?

Cal 39 owners: I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Miller Boston, MA 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose"

Hi Mark,, Maybe you should consider one of those porta-boats that fold up. I have a Cal 2-27 friend that has a 18' one that saves a lot of space, and is very compact to take on his boat. I have been thinking of alternatives to a dinghy as well and looking at that option. Good luck in your search! Jim Ives - Kool BeansRochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mi… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Cal 39 owners: I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Miller Boston, MA 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose"

Or a nesting pram? I'm finishing up a 8' that folds to 4'. Haven't figured out how to lash it on deck yet so I'm glad that you brought it up! On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mark,, > > Maybe you should consider one of those porta-boats that fold up. I have a Cal 2-27 friend that has a 18' one that saves a lot of space, and is very compact to take on his boat. I have been thinking of alternatives to a dinghy as well and looking at that option. > > Good luck in your search! > > Jim Ives - Kool Beans > Rochester, NY > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: mi… [at] yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? > > > Cal 39 owners: > I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mark Miller > Boston, MA > 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose" > > >

I would ask myself when buying any dingy, If I have to leave in the middle of a night or day during a sudden storm condition with breaking seas and high waves how will it tow and if it swamps will it survive being subjected to the stress of an 8' fishing lure taking multiple dives? Just a thought. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ives To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Hi Mark,, Maybe you should consider one of those porta-boats that fold up. I have a Cal 2-27 friend that has a 18' one that saves a lot of space, and is very compact to take on his boat. I have been thinking of alternatives to a dinghy as well and looking at that option. Good luck in your search! Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mi… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Cal 39 owners: I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Miller Boston, MA 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose" __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6884 (20120214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6887 (20120215) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

At that point who really cares! Save yourself your crew and your ship, the support boats are expendable. I trust you have a liferaft. My Best, Mike From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? I would ask myself when buying any dingy, If I have to leave in the middle of a night or day during a sudden storm condition with breaking seas and high waves how will it tow and if it swamps will it survive being subjected to the stress of an 8' fishing lure taking multiple dives? Just a thought. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro >From: Jim Ives >To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:43 PM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? > > >Hi Mark,, > >Maybe you should consider one of those porta-boats that fold up. I have a Cal 2-27 friend that has a 18' one that saves a lot of space, and is very compact to take on his boat. I have been thinking of alternatives to a dinghy as well and looking at that option. > >Good luck in your search! > >Jim Ives - Kool Beans >Rochester, NY > > > >________________________________ >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >From: mi… [at] yahoo.com >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? > > >Cal 39 owners: >I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Mark Miller >Boston, MA >1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose" > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6884 (20120214) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6887 (20120215) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I would think your roller furling sail would have no problem tacking over a boat, unless it is a deck sweeper (which would rarely be found on a roller furler, IMHO.) We tack over a spinnaker pole all the time, which probably has a similar height profile. Key point is to not have an exposed edge that catches the lazy sheet during a tack. As for securing the boat, a number of ways could be used. I would first look into padeyes. [http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-m2/articulated-padeyes-for-sailboat-221671.jpg] There is also a Kit boat with $65 plans, that might work well on a foredeck, if you modified it a bit to fit and conform to the cabin top - keeping much of the dinghy as possible off the forepeak of the deck. The design naturally has a relief at the bolting section than could be exploited to make it really fit nicely. The kit boat is set up to motor, row, or sail [http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0konGsg0uF6Ot0mf8qHcm0Ix9hiIinLjtuIfcAu2UcBc8LFtV]<http://www.google.com/imgres?q=dinghy+foredeck&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1T4RNRN_enUS453US453&biw=1011&bih=618&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Oa_CW0rX54tXqM:&imgrefurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/page14.htm&docid=4IfTVWn1ak0xaM&imgurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/userimages/ondeckweb.JPG&w=331&h=448&ei=wTQ8T8rEAqHq2QX9rZzzBg&zoom=1> B&B Yacht Designs 196 Elm St., Vandemere, N.C. 28587-9755 USA Phone: 252-745-4793 Order line: 877-288-0941 [http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/S9nestedwithoars.jpg] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mi… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Cal 39 owners: I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Miller Boston, MA 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose"

We simply put the tow line around a winch and cranked the dingy along side of the cal 20, both of us grabbed the side of the dingy rolled it to where the water spilled out. We were wing and wing with whisker pole up and surfing. There were no damages to the dingy or the cal. It was definitely a two man job! Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: mike farrell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? At that point who really cares! Save yourself your crew and your ship, the support boats are expendable. I trust you have a liferaft. My Best, Mike From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? I would ask myself when buying any dingy, If I have to leave in the middle of a night or day during a sudden storm condition with breaking seas and high waves how will it tow and if it swamps will it survive being subjected to the stress of an 8' fishing lure taking multiple dives? Just a thought. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ives To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Hi Mark,, Maybe you should consider one of those porta-boats that fold up. I have a Cal 2-27 friend that has a 18' one that saves a lot of space, and is very compact to take on his boat. I have been thinking of alternatives to a dinghy as well and looking at that option. Good luck in your search! Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mi… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Cal 39 owners: I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Miller Boston, MA 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose" __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6884 (20120214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6887 (20120215) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6887 (20120215) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6887 (20120215) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

If you keep your dingy on deck at our marina you make the pigeons very happy. Allen [image: pigeon.jpg] On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > I would think your roller furling sail would have no problem tacking > over a boat, unless it is a deck sweeper (which would rarely be found on a > roller furler, IMHO.)**** > > ** ** > > We tack over a spinnaker pole all the time, which probably has a similar > height profile.**** > > ** ** > > Key point is to not have an exposed edge that catches the lazy sheet > during a tack.**** > > ** ** > > As for securing the boat, a number of ways could be used. I would first > look into padeyes.**** > > ** ** > > [image: > http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-m2/articulated-padeyes-for-sailboat-221671.jpg] > **** > > ** ** > > There is also a Kit boat with $65 plans, that might work well on a > foredeck, if you modified it a bit to fit and conform to the cabin top – > keeping much of the dinghy as possible off the forepeak of the deck. The > design naturally has a relief at the bolting section than could be > exploited to make it really fit nicely.**** > > ** ** > > The kit boat is set up to motor, row, or sail**** > > [image: > http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0konGsg0uF6Ot0mf8qHcm0Ix9hiIinLjtuIfcAu2UcBc8LFtV]<http://www.google.com/imgres?q=dinghy+foredeck&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1T4RNRN_enUS453US453&biw=1011&bih=618&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Oa_CW0rX54tXqM:&imgrefurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/page14.htm&docid=4IfTVWn1ak0xaM&imgurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/userimages/ondeckweb.JPG&w=331&h=448&ei=wTQ8T8rEAqHq2QX9rZzzBg&zoom=1> > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *B&B Yacht Designs*** > > *196 Elm St.,*** > > *Vandemere, N.C. 28587-9755 USA*** > > *Phone: 252-745-4793*** > > *Order line: 877-288-0941*** > > ** ** > > [image: http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/S9nestedwithoars.jpg]**** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: mi… [at] yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? > > **** > > Cal 39 owners: > I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a > tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the > hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have > experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and > I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. > Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your > approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mark Miller > Boston, MA > 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose"**** > > **** > > >

Is that dinghy in the poop deck? Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Allen Edwards [mailto:al… [at] gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 07:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Mark Miller If you keep your dingy on deck at our marina you make the pigeons very happy. Allen [pigeon.jpg] On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I would think your roller furling sail would have no problem tacking over a boat, unless it is a deck sweeper (which would rarely be found on a roller furler, IMHO.) We tack over a spinnaker pole all the time, which probably has a similar height profile. Key point is to not have an exposed edge that catches the lazy sheet during a tack. As for securing the boat, a number of ways could be used. I would first look into padeyes. [http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-m2/articulated-padeyes-for-sailboat-221671.jpg] There is also a Kit boat with $65 plans, that might work well on a foredeck, if you modified it a bit to fit and conform to the cabin top – keeping much of the dinghy as possible off the forepeak of the deck. The design naturally has a relief at the bolting section than could be exploited to make it really fit nicely. The kit boat is set up to motor, row, or sail [http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0konGsg0uF6Ot0mf8qHcm0Ix9hiIinLjtuIfcAu2UcBc8LFtV]<http://www.google.com/imgres?q=dinghy+foredeck&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1T4RNRN_enUS453US453&biw=1011&bih=618&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Oa_CW0rX54tXqM:&imgrefurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/page14.htm&docid=4IfTVWn1ak0xaM&imgurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/userimages/ondeckweb.JPG&w=331&h=448&ei=wTQ8T8rEAqHq2QX9rZzzBg&zoom=1> B&B Yacht Designs 196 Elm St., Vandemere, N.C. 28587-9755 USA Phone: 252-745-4793<tel:252-745-4793> Order line: 877-288-0941<tel:877-288-0941> [http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/S9nestedwithoars.jpg] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019<tel:503.863.4019> Cell to cell calls To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> From: mi… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:mi… [at] yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? Cal 39 owners: I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Miller Boston, MA 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose"

It certainly is. I would say I have never seen so much bird poop but there was this powerboat... I would post the pictures but you don't want to see them. Allen On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > ** Is that dinghy in the poop deck? > > Cheers, > > Timm Lessley > (Sent from Blackberry) > (503) 863-4019 > > *From*: Allen Edwards [mailto:al… [at] gmail.com] > *Sent*: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 07:59 PM > *To*: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Subject*: Re: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 > foredeck? Mark Miller > > > > If you keep your dingy on deck at our marina you make the pigeons very > happy. > > Allen > > [image: pigeon.jpg] > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I would think your roller furling sail would have no problem tacking >> over a boat, unless it is a deck sweeper (which would rarely be found on a >> roller furler, IMHO.)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We tack over a spinnaker pole all the time, which probably has a similar >> height profile.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Key point is to not have an exposed edge that catches the lazy sheet >> during a tack.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> As for securing the boat, a number of ways could be used. I would first >> look into padeyes.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: >> http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-m2/articulated-padeyes-for-sailboat-221671.jpg] >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> There is also a Kit boat with $65 plans, that might work well on a >> foredeck, if you modified it a bit to fit and conform to the cabin top – >> keeping much of the dinghy as possible off the forepeak of the deck. The >> design naturally has a relief at the bolting section than could be >> exploited to make it really fit nicely.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The kit boat is set up to motor, row, or sail**** >> >> [image: >> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0konGsg0uF6Ot0mf8qHcm0Ix9hiIinLjtuIfcAu2UcBc8LFtV]<http://www.google.com/imgres?q=dinghy+foredeck&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1T4RNRN_enUS453US453&biw=1011&bih=618&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Oa_CW0rX54tXqM:&imgrefurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/page14.htm&docid=4IfTVWn1ak0xaM&imgurl=http://www.nestawayboats.com/userimages/ondeckweb.JPG&w=331&h=448&ei=wTQ8T8rEAqHq2QX9rZzzBg&zoom=1> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *B&B Yacht Designs*** >> >> *196 Elm St.,*** >> >> *Vandemere, N.C. 28587-9755 USA*** >> >> *Phone: 252-745-4793*** >> >> *Order line: 877-288-0941*** >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/S9nestedwithoars.jpg]**** >> >> Cheers,**** >> >> * * >> >> *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* >> >> *Timm Lessley* >> >> 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** >> >> ** ** >> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> From: mi… [at] yahoo.com >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:38:34 +0000 >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Carrying a 8' hard dinghy on a Cal 39 foredeck? >> >> **** >> >> Cal 39 owners: >> I'm thinking about buying a 8' hard dinghy (e.g., like a Walker Bay) as a >> tender for my Cal 39. Without getting into all the debates involved in the >> hard vs. inflatable decision, I'm wondering if any Cal 39 owners have >> experience carrying a hard dinghy on their foredecks while underway, and >> I'm curious about the clearance for tacking a roller-furled genoa over it. >> Also, if anyone has experience doing so, I'm interested to hear what your >> approach has been to lashing it down. Any input would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark Miller >> Boston, MA >> 1979 Cal 39 "Old Jack Rose"**** >> >> **** >> >> > >