Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal

I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc

Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

David, do you like a shiny or a flat appearing interior? Thanks Charlie annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

Charlie, I was thinking semi-gloss, usually easiest to keep clean. David From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal David, do you like a shiny or a flat appearing interior? Thanks Charlie annapolis From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From:Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast?? christine stark of the Sea Dame Cal 25 1970 #1165 From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com wOU

Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. [cid:image002.jpg@01CCECD4.68EC72D0] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

Thanks Rod.....the name just escaped me. Best regards /ch On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com>wrote: > ** > > > I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". >

Petite was used on this restoration and it looks pretty good. You may wish to consult with "Wilkie" D Owens as he did Mariposa's interior completely white. http://sailingvoyage.com/photos/index.php/Cal-20-Restoration http://www.mariposasailing.com/ Its a rather nice clean look that I personally think makes the boat look bigger and pending on where you sail, keeps the moss, bugs and mildew under control. Best regards ch On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:43 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though > mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting > used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping > the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace > it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark > Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. > Thanks, > David Dobbs CAL29 411 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal > > > I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out > the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be > wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in > mid-1970's. > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > former co-owner of "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes: > > > Greets: > > Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > > -- > /ch > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > > > > > > -- /ch

Timmo, just curious. Do you have a huge indexed archive of photos, or do you go out in the back yard and take pictures on the spot? My photo archive has pictures with names like DSC 0231 and DSC 317. You know, if you kept some cats in California Girl, after a while you would not notice the boat smell. Just trying to help. I prefer a flat appearance inside the boat and have had reasonable success using high grade exterior flat off white house paint (after the grinding and the sanding.- I do like those flapper disks in a grinder). All wood is in “natural” condition. Overhead is a layer of glas cloth over the deck ply. Wood maintains its grainy appearance. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. [Description: cid:image002.jpg@01CCECD4.68EC72D0] Cheers, [Description: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

That would be 2,000 pounds. Seems like a bit much. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > Interior Paint.**** > > ** ** > > I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one.**** > > ** ** > > What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like:**** > > ** ** > > **1. ***Latex Interior Paint “rots*”. - gets a nasty boat odor, > that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating > paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright > Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get > to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a > 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with > orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed > all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, > with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, > and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I > have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural > components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the > next decision to cover or not.**** > > **2. ***“Paint” is porous*. All my wooden surfaces that were > painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from > wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out > my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the > surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost > significant weight. **** > > ** ** > > California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this > drying and other removal of extra crud.**** > > ** ** > > All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look.**** > > **** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *david dobbs > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:43 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though > mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting > used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping > the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace > it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark > Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last.**** > > Thanks,**** > > David Dobbs CAL29 411**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** > > ** ** > > **** > > I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out > the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be > wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in > mid-1970's.**** > > **** > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** > > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201**** > > former co-owner of "NODROG"**** > > 1970 CAL 21 #285**** > > **** > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes:**** > > **** > > Greets: > > Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > > -- > /ch**** > > **** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > >

oops. I did that for a half hull so it would be 4,000 pounds for 134 sq feet area times 3 inches is 34 cubic feet times 2 for the full hull or 68 cubic feet times 62 pounds per cubic feet. Allen On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > That would be 2,000 pounds. Seems like a bit much. > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Interior Paint.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like:*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> **1. ***Latex Interior Paint “rots*”. - gets a nasty boat odor, >> that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating >> paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright >> Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get >> to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a >> 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with >> orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed >> all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, >> with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, >> and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I >> have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural >> components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the >> next decision to cover or not.**** >> >> **2. ***“Paint” is porous*. All my wooden surfaces that were >> painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from >> wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out >> my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the >> surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost >> significant weight. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this >> drying and other removal of extra crud.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look.**** >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Cheers,**** >> >> * * >> >> *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* >> >> *Timm Lessley* >> >> 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *david dobbs >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:43 PM >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though >> mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting >> used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping >> the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace >> it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark >> Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last.**** >> >> Thanks,**** >> >> David Dobbs CAL29 411**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out >> the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be >> wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in >> mid-1970's.**** >> >> **** >> >> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** >> >> 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201**** >> >> former co-owner of "NODROG"**** >> >> 1970 CAL 21 #285**** >> >> **** >> >> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> >> writes:**** >> >> **** >> >> Greets: >> >> Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 >> >> -- >> /ch**** >> >> **** >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* >> The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried >> <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> >> consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> >> > >

Charlie, are you suggesting eliminating boat odors by keeping slightly used cat litter under the V berth or in the head? Does the ammonia neutralize mildew vapor, or just mask it? I just go over me bulkheads, decks, and overhead once a year with mild bleach solution and detergent to remove them little black spot critters with bad breath, and used a small heat appliance on the saloon deck. I had a mini ozone/ion generator I got on Ebay working inside, oxidizing bugs and odors, until the computer fan inside it crapped out. I don't know that the latex rots, but maybe the mildew critters like to eat some of it. Does that mean they don't like to eat epoxy, or is that next? Microbes can eat the strangest things, thank goodness. Some are learning to eat various types of plastic. Jerry Oh I forgot to ask, anyone want some used cat litter? Maybe I shouldn't have remembered. I finally found the cell phone I lost, stuck between two cushions in me V berth, but now I can't find its charger, and they say it's an old phone. Old? I just bought it four years ago and I still haven't learned how to use it to take pictures. It's a Kyocera Cyclops, and now, with dead batteries, it's blind as a Greek odyssey. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: Interior Paint Timmo, just curious. Do you have a huge indexed archive of photos, or do you go out in the back yard and take pictures on the spot? My photo archive has pictures with names like DSC 0231 and DSC 317. You know, if you kept some cats in California Girl, after a while you would not notice the boat smell. Just trying to help. I prefer a flat appearance inside the boat and have had reasonable success using high grade exterior flat off white house paint (after the grinding and the sanding.- I do like those flapper disks in a grinder). All wood is in “natural” condition. Overhead is a layer of glas cloth over the deck ply. Wood maintains its grainy appearance. Cheers Charlie

Unless your mast is wood, I would not recommend using heat. Read this thread on Sailing anarchy. http://tinyurl.com/83a7xww I would probably go the sanding route, but “they” also use [GAR343 KLEAN-STRIP Aircraft Paint Stripper 1 Gallon] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE STARK Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast?? christine stark of the Sea Dame Cal 25 1970 #1165 From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> wOU

On 2/16/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > Interior Paint. > > I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. > > What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: > My Cal 20 had that strange goop that Jensen Marine applied as an interior finish. Where it wanted to stick, it could not be removed, and where it wanted to be free, it peeled freely. I used the strongest paint remover I could find and endured the fumes while it removed the most tenacious of the stuff. Not wanting to repeat that, and wanting something that would look right, I bought Pettit's "Dura-White" interior paint. They advertise that it will stick to anything, glossy or otherwise, it's washable, and it has antimildew properties. Sounded good. I took a chip of the original Cal 20 interior paint down to the local Ace Hardware and had them tint my Dura-White to match the original, a buff color. I've been happy with it. It was easy to apply, it has a nice semigloss look, and I can wash off the @#$%&**!!! spider droppings. When I do something like interior painting, I want to do a careful job once so it looks good. The cost of the Dura-White did not deter me because I have learned that sometimes boat products really are superior to non-boat products in a marine environment. I don't really trust their assurances about sticking to anything just because I'm a skeptic, so I do thorough surface prep before painting (washing, sanding). Chris Campbell > >

Chris, I think the stuff is now called “EZ Cabin-Coat”. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint On 2/16/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: My Cal 20 had that strange goop that Jensen Marine applied as an interior finish. Where it wanted to stick, it could not be removed, and where it wanted to be free, it peeled freely. I used the strongest paint remover I could find and endured the fumes while it removed the most tenacious of the stuff. Not wanting to repeat that, and wanting something that would look right, I bought Pettit's "Dura-White" interior paint. They advertise that it will stick to anything, glossy or otherwise, it's washable, and it has antimildew properties. Sounded good. I took a chip of the original Cal 20 interior paint down to the local Ace Hardware and had them tint my Dura-White to match the original, a buff color. I've been happy with it. It was easy to apply, it has a nice semigloss look, and I can wash off the @#$%&**!!! spider droppings. When I do something like interior painting, I want to do a careful job once so it looks good. The cost of the Dura-White did not deter me because I have learned that sometimes boat products really are superior to non-boat products in a marine environment. I don't really trust their assurances about sticking to anything just because I'm a skeptic, so I do thorough surface prep before painting (washing, sanding). Chris Campbell

"Combined waterline defined" DISPLACEMENT: The sum of the bow and stern measurement, measured at the bow from the waterline to the top of the factory stem fitting (adjacent to the headstay), and at the stern from the waterline to the top of the taffrail (adjacent to the backstay), shall not exceed 97.0". Other restrictions on displacement, such as bunk cushions, table, forward cabin door, etc., are waived. Some Fleet Measurements using the combined waterline. [cid:image004.png@01CCED47.A3840160] HOW THE MEASUREMENT IS TAKEN [cid:image006.png@01CCED47.A3840160] [cid:image011.png@01CCED47.A3840160] Theoretical Displacement Height is 3.45' + 4.78' = 8.23' = 98.76" (see Persephone "1000 pounds less keel") Measured Weights of the TPAC Fleet. Cert# Boatname Sail# Class Designer Beam Draft LOA Disp Verses CalGal 40979 CALIFORNIA GIRL USA-6853 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.70 39.30 15,602.00 - 40046 CALLISTO USA-8540 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.70 39.30 15,224.00 (378.00) 40988 CELEBRITY USA-7950 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.80 39.30 16,262.00 660.00 40941 FLYING CLOUD USA-7571 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.80 39.30 15,463.00 (139.00) 40775 IKAIKA Tartan 3700 USA-29004 Cal 40 JACKET 12.70 7.50 37.00 18,864.00 3,262.00 40911 ILLUSION USA-57 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.80 39.30 16,262.00 660.00 40939 JOHN B USA-7944 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.90 39.30 17,005.00 1,403.00 41282 PASSAGE NORTH USA-16666 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.80 39.30 16,020.00 418.00 40919 RALPHIE USA-56229 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.70 39.30 15,310.00 (292.00) 40884 RANGER USA-7804 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.80 39.30 16,009.00 407.00 40826 REDHEAD USA-7817 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.90 39.30 16,940.00 1,338.00 40916 SEAFIRE USA-169 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.80 39.30 17,226.00 1,624.00 40912 WILLOW WIND USA-7028 Cal 40 LAPWORTH, WM 10.90 5.70 39.30 15,722.00 120.00 BASIS OF CLAIM California Girl was the a bit heavier that Flying Cloud (139#) which had a float height of 94.5; Ours was similar. After removal of all the excess gear and paint, table, doors, Hawaii water tank, SSB, Repair kits and spares, California Girl now floats at a combined waterline of 98.25", which is a 3.75" difference than where I started from, and the basis of my 3" claim. Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:00 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint oops. I did that for a half hull so it would be 4,000 pounds for 134 sq feet area times 3 inches is 34 cubic feet times 2 for the full hull or 68 cubic feet times 62 pounds per cubic feet. Allen On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> wrote: That would be 2,000 pounds. Seems like a bit much. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint "rots". - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4"grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it - until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. "Paint" is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee'd epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3" on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All "boat smells" are now gone, and I rather like the "natural" look. [cid:image002.jpg@01CCED42.1889A4C0] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019<tel:503.863.4019> Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com<mailto:rj… [at] juno.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: Greets: Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

On 2/17/2012 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > Chris, I think the stuff is now called “EZ Cabin-Coat”. > Sho 'nuff. I hate it when they do that. You find a useful product and they go and fiddle with it. Maybe it's just because they now offer grey and off-white. The product description online does not get very specific. And then there's the "EZ" label, which I view in the same dim light as "lite." Consider "lite" beer, which is to beer as a video sailing game is to sailing. Chris Campbell > >

FYI, This is a repeat, I think, but here is what we did to Magic... power sanded off the old paint, alumiprep followed by alodine, then three coats of Awlgrip epoxy primer, and finally two coats of Awlgrip Topcoat.... two weeks from stepping to restepping the rig. The rig was rewired for steaming and tri-color lights as well as VHF. We also installed a crane for dual spinnaker halyards, and I had new sheaves turned for the masthead. It helps if you have a enthusiastic crew to help. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefsail/sets/72157622081060993/ --Michael-- From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Unless your mast is wood, I would not recommend using heat. Read this thread on Sailing anarchy. http://tinyurl.com/83a7xww I would probably go the sanding route, but “they” also use Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE STARK Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast?? christine stark of the Sea Dame Cal 25 1970 #1165 From:r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From:Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com wOU

Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

On 2/17/2012 11:34 AM, Randy Alcorn wrote: > > My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason > being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? I've read comparisons of the waterproofing ability of various finishes. Oil is quite transparent to moisture in terms of vapor transmission or absorption, although it may form a bit of a surface barrier to let you wipe up splashes before they soak in. If the issue is moisture content of the wood, you may want to keep that dehumidifier on the job, and perhaps consider a varnish finish, or even a suitable clear-finish epoxy covered with varnish. And remember that if the goal is to keep moisture out, you have to do both sides. > As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; > "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until > i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the > beam or something. My Cal 20 looked like it had leprosy or some other loathsome disease below, with big curls of peeling paint. I felt that it reflected poorly on her skipper, so after tolerating it for a few years I designated it a "major project" and got to work. This was done in our non-sailing season, for the most part, so it didn't subtract from sailing time. Non-sailing season is when the water turns solid (or is supposed to; this year is en exception). Chris Campbell >

One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? [cid:image003.jpg@01CCED59.C90B8770] Or maybe? [cid:image004.jpg@01CCED59.C90B8770] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. [cid:image002.jpg@01CCED59.11208D40] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

I let interior "sprucing up" go until she could no longer tolerate it. Her satisfaction with and enjoyment of the boat raises most of her preferred projects to the top of the project list. And she loves to sail and race the T/2 and to sail and live on the CC36, and is good and dependable crew, and stands her share of watches at the helm and helps keep me from making some of my many mistakes. Here's to my bride, Barbara, and the much more entertaining sailing I enjoy and the much nicer boats I sail on because of her. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: cc… [at] lsnm.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:52:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint On 2/17/2012 11:34 AM, Randy Alcorn wrote: My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? I've read comparisons of the waterproofing ability of various finishes. Oil is quite transparent to moisture in terms of vapor transmission or absorption, although it may form a bit of a surface barrier to let you wipe up splashes before they soak in. If the issue is moisture content of the wood, you may want to keep that dehumidifier on the job, and perhaps consider a varnish finish, or even a suitable clear-finish epoxy covered with varnish. And remember that if the goal is to keep moisture out, you have to do both sides. As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. My Cal 20 looked like it had leprosy or some other loathsome disease below, with big curls of peeling paint. I felt that it reflected poorly on her skipper, so after tolerating it for a few years I designated it a "major project" and got to work. This was done in our non-sailing season, for the most part, so it didn't subtract from sailing time. Non-sailing season is when the water turns solid (or is supposed to; this year is en exception). Chris Campbell

On 2/17/2012 11:55 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like > > Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? > > Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? > If weight saving is the goal, with perhaps an eye toward aesthetics as well, how about an aluminum ladder with some wood trim? Chris Campbell > >

I see I made some errors in my calculations. I assumed deck profile and it should have been waterline profile. Plus, you are actually saying the boat came up from the water 1.5 inches bow and stern for your total of 3 inches. Doing a rough correction for that I would get a 1500 pound change. That I could believe as my calculation isn't that precise anyway. Sorry about the error. Me bad. But are you saying your boat is now illegal? You better add some weight back. Allen On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:42 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > *“Combined waterline defined”* > > *DISPLACEMENT*: The sum of the bow and stern measurement, measured at the > bow from the waterline to the top of the factory stem fitting (adjacent to > the headstay), and at the stern from the waterline to the top of the > taffrail (adjacent to the backstay), *shall not exceed 97.0**”.* Other > restrictions on displacement, such as bunk cushions, table, forward cabin > door, etc., are waived.**** > > ** ** > > *Some Fleet Measurements using the combined waterline.***** > > **** > > *HOW THE MEASUREMENT IS TAKEN* > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > **** > > Theoretical Displacement Height is 3.45’ + 4.78’ = 8.23’ = 98.76” (see > Persephone “1000 pounds less keel”)**** > > ** ** > > *Measured Weights of the TPAC Fleet.* > > Cert#**** > > Boatname**** > > Sail#**** > > Class**** > > Designer**** > > Beam **** > > Draft **** > > LOA **** > > Disp **** > > Verses CalGal **** > > **** > > **** > > *40979* > > *CALIFORNIA GIRL* > > *USA-6853* > > *Cal 40* > > *LAPWORTH, WM * > > * 10.90 * > > * 5.70 * > > * 39.30 * > > * 15,602.00 * > > * - * > > 40046**** > > CALLISTO**** > > USA-8540**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.70 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 15,224.00 **** > > (378.00)**** > > 40988**** > > CELEBRITY**** > > USA-7950**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.80 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 16,262.00 **** > > 660.00 **** > > *40941* > > *FLYING CLOUD* > > *USA-7571* > > *Cal 40* > > *LAPWORTH, WM * > > * 10.90 * > > * 5.80 * > > * 39.30 * > > * 15,463.00 * > > * (139.00)* > > 40775**** > > IKAIKA Tartan 3700**** > > USA-29004**** > > Cal 40**** > > JACKET**** > > 12.70 **** > > 7.50 **** > > 37.00 **** > > 18,864.00 **** > > 3,262.00 **** > > *40911* > > *ILLUSION* > > *USA-57* > > *Cal 40* > > *LAPWORTH, WM * > > * 10.90 * > > * 5.80 * > > * 39.30 * > > * 16,262.00 * > > * 660.00 * > > 40939**** > > JOHN B**** > > USA-7944**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.90 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 17,005.00 **** > > 1,403.00 **** > > 41282**** > > PASSAGE NORTH**** > > USA-16666**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.80 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 16,020.00 **** > > 418.00 **** > > 40919**** > > RALPHIE**** > > USA-56229**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.70 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 15,310.00 **** > > (292.00)**** > > 40884**** > > RANGER**** > > USA-7804**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.80 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 16,009.00 **** > > 407.00 **** > > 40826**** > > REDHEAD**** > > USA-7817**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.90 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 16,940.00 **** > > 1,338.00 **** > > 40916**** > > SEAFIRE**** > > USA-169**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.80 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 17,226.00 **** > > 1,624.00 **** > > 40912**** > > WILLOW WIND**** > > USA-7028**** > > Cal 40**** > > LAPWORTH, WM **** > > 10.90 **** > > 5.70 **** > > 39.30 **** > > 15,722.00 **** > > 120.00 **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *BASIS OF CLAIM * > > ** ** > > California Girl was the a bit heavier that Flying Cloud (139#) which had a > float height of 94.5; Ours was similar.**** > > ** ** > > After removal of all the excess gear and paint, table, doors, Hawaii water > tank, SSB, Repair kits and spares, California Girl now floats at a combined > waterline of 98.25”, which is a 3.75” difference than where I started from, > and the basis of my 3” claim.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:00 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint**** > > ** ** > > **** > > oops. I did that for a half hull so it would be 4,000 pounds for 134 sq > feet area times 3 inches is 34 cubic feet times 2 for the full hull or 68 > cubic feet times 62 pounds per cubic feet.**** > > ** ** > > Allen**** > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > wrote:**** > > That would be 2,000 pounds. Seems like a bit much.**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote:**** > > **** > > Interior Paint.**** > > **** > > I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one.**** > > **** > > What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like:**** > > **** > > 1. *Latex Interior Paint “rots*”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that > never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot > smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the > equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this > stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder > with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital > sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the > paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with > straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I > have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have > been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural > components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the > next decision to cover or not.**** > > 2. *“Paint” is porous*. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or > varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood > surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my > interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the > surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost > significant weight. **** > > **** > > California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this > drying and other removal of extra crud.**** > > **** > > All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look.**** > > **** > > **** > > Cheers,**** > > * ***** > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]***** > > *Timm Lessley***** > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > **** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *david dobbs > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:43 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** > > **** > > **** > > Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though > mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting > used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping > the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace > it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark > Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last.**** > > Thanks,**** > > David Dobbs CAL29 411**** > > **** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** > > **** > > **** > > I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out > the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be > wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in > mid-1970's.**** > > **** > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** > > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201**** > > former co-owner of "NODROG"**** > > 1970 CAL 21 #285**** > > **** > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes:**** > > **** > > Greets: > > Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > > -- > /ch**** > > **** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > **** > > >

spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture.**** > > That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter.** > ** > > ** ** > > I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing.**** > > ** ** > > Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like > **** > > Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest?**** > > ** ** > > Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use?**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > Or maybe?**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Randy Alcorn > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint**** > > ** ** > > Timm,**** > > **** > > I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was > surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% > setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon > every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a > week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much > water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much > salt is coming out of the wood paneling. **** > > **** > > My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason > being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior > paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am > letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do > a major project, like replace the beam or something.**** > > **** > > Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream.**** > > **** > > Respectfully**** > > Randy**** > > CAL 2-29**** > > Out Patient**** > > Channel Islands Ca**** > > ** ** > > **** > > *From:* "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Interior Paint.**** > > **** > > I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one.**** > > **** > > What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like:**** > > **** > > 1. *Latex Interior Paint “rots*”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that > never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot > smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the > equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this > stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder > with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital > sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the > paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with > straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I > have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have > been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural > components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the > next decision to cover or not.**** > > 2. *“Paint” is porous*. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or > varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood > surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my > interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the > surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost > significant weight. **** > > **** > > California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this > drying and other removal of extra crud.**** > > **** > > All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look.**** > > **** > > **** > > Cheers,**** > > * ***** > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]***** > > *Timm Lessley***** > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > >

I think a beer keg or two might just get me there - I think Charlie would agree? Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:23 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAl 40 "waterline study". But are you saying your boat is now illegal? You better add some weight back. Allen

I would use Trex for the stair treads and a SS rail with welded 1" platform for the treads on both side. Bolt on, bolt off. Mill the Trex to get the pattern off with a standard electric planner. Then you have a very nice tread that is rough to the touch, looks like teak, but is made of poylester resin and wood fibre. Totally water proof, needs no maintenance, and does not absorb water. If you want too, you can add varies gripy tread materials on top if you require additional tracksion. The benefit is that its super strong and very very light. /ch

That thread confirms that there are exactly as many opinions out there as there are sailors. I did not notice the part about no heat, or are you just adding one more opinion? Allen On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:45 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > Unless your mast is wood, I would not recommend using heat.**** > > ** ** > > Read this thread on Sailing anarchy. **** > > ** ** > > http://tinyurl.com/83a7xww **** > > ** ** > > I would probably go the sanding route, but “they” also use **** > > ** ** > > [image: GAR343 KLEAN-STRIP Aircraft Paint Stripper 1 Gallon]**** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *CHRISTINE STARK > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:11 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast??**** > > christine stark**** > > of the**** > > Sea Dame**** > > Cal 25**** > > 1970 **** > > #1165**** > > > **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint > > **** > > semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the > inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. > Still looks gdoc. > Reggie > **** > ------------------------------ > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: tm… [at] yahoo.com > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal > > **** > > Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though > mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting > used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping > the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace > it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark > Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last.**** > > Thanks,**** > > David Dobbs CAL29 411**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal**** > > ** ** > > **** > > I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out > the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be > wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in > mid-1970's.**** > > **** > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** > > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201**** > > former co-owner of "NODROG"**** > > 1970 CAL 21 #285**** > > **** > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes:**** > > **** > > Greets: > > Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > > -- > /ch**** > > **** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > wOU**** > > **** > > >

Michael, Where did you get your spinnaker bail? Lafiel? Best Randy From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping FYI, This is a repeat, I think, but here is what we did to Magic... power sanded off the old paint, alumiprep followed by alodine, then three coats of Awlgrip epoxy primer, and finally two coats of Awlgrip Topcoat.... two weeks from stepping to restepping the rig. The rig was rewired for steaming and tri-color lights as well as VHF. We also installed a crane for dual spinnaker halyards, and I had new sheaves turned for the masthead. It helps if you have a enthusiastic crew to help. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefsail/sets/72157622081060993/ --Michael-- From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Unless your mast is wood, I would not recommend using heat. Read this thread on Sailing anarchy. http://tinyurl.com/83a7xww I would probably go the sanding route, but “they” also use Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE STARK Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast?? christine stark of the Sea Dame Cal 25 1970 #1165 From:r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From:Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com wOU

Yep, the paint is typically thin, and adhered to a good heat transfer material, so my belief is that you would scratch more metal, than remove paint. If you got it real hot, I would fear warping or ruining the material heat treating process (softening the mast). All of this is speculation... Sanding and chemicals really work. Heat?, dunno, I doubt it... and cannot recommend it from my experience. I'm relating this to an old boy scout trick I learned, boiling water in a paper cup - in a camp fire. Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:36 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping That thread confirms that there are exactly as many opinions out there as there are sailors. I did not notice the part about no heat, or are you just adding one more opinion? Allen

Randy, I got the spinnaker bail from Rig-Rite, part number K-10435D6P, $179 + $15 for shipping in 2009, as seen at http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/mh_spinnaker_bails.html. I had a bit of the SS trimmed off and some new holes drilled to match up with the masthead. We don't often need a port & starboard spinnaker halyard, but it dows come in handy at times. When at the dock, I run messenger lines. FYI, as for the masthead sheaves, I had them turned by Zephyrwerks in Port Townsend, WA. All four totaled $136 including shipping. Anyone here want to come to Florida and help me seal my hull-to-deck joint & replace the rub rail ???? Free beer. :) --Michael-- From: Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping (Michael) Michael, Where did you get your spinnaker bail? Lafiel? Best Randy From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping FYI, This is a repeat, I think, but here is what we did to Magic... power sanded off the old paint, alumiprep followed by alodine, then three coats of Awlgrip epoxy primer, and finally two coats of Awlgrip Topcoat.... two weeks from stepping to restepping the rig. The rig was rewired for steaming and tri-color lights as well as VHF. We also installed a crane for dual spinnaker halyards, and I had new sheaves turned for the masthead. It helps if you have a enthusiastic crew to help. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefsail/sets/72157622081060993/ --Michael-- From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Unless your mast is wood, I would not recommend using heat. Read this thread on Sailing anarchy. http://tinyurl.com/83a7xww I would probably go the sanding route, but “they” also use Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE STARK Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast?? christine stark of the Sea Dame Cal 25 1970 #1165 From:r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From:Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com wOU

Interesting. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > Yep, the paint is typically thin, and adhered to a good heat transfer > material, so my belief is that you would scratch more metal, than remove > paint. If you got it real hot, I would fear warping or ruining the material > heat treating process (softening the mast). All of this is speculation… > Sanding and chemicals really work. **** > > ** ** > > Heat?, dunno, I doubt it… and cannot recommend it from my experience.**** > > ** ** > > I’m relating this to an old boy scout trick I learned, boiling water in a > paper cup - in a camp fire.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > * * > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 11:36 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping**** > > ** ** > > **** > > That thread confirms that there are exactly as many opinions out there as > there are sailors.**** > > ** ** > > I did not notice the part about no heat, or are you just adding one more > opinion?**** > > ** ** > > Allen**** > > >

Yeah, spruce not so good for a step. But it is a light boat wood. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > I would use Trex for the stair treads and a SS rail with welded 1" > platform for the treads on both side. Bolt on, bolt off. > > Mill the Trex to get the pattern off with a standard electric planner. > Then you have a very nice tread that is rough to the touch, looks like > teak, but is made of poylester resin and wood fibre. Totally water proof, > needs no maintenance, and does not absorb water. If you want too, you can > add varies gripy tread materials on top if you require additional > tracksion. > > The benefit is that its super strong and very very light. > > /ch > > > >

Spruce could work if it was dried properly about an 1" thick and very selective on the grain pattern. In Labrador where fishing dorys are still family build they build them in the fall then put them in the bay load them with rocks and sink them for the winter. In the spring when it ices out they pull them out, dry them a bit and paint them with whatever color is available. Build from spruce that are pretty close to the tree line....swells the boards real tight. Lasts about 5-6 years. Then they build a new one. Blew me away the first time I saw it...:) /ch On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Yeah, spruce not so good for a step. But it is a light boat wood. > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I would use Trex for the stair treads and a SS rail with welded 1" >> platform for the treads on both side. Bolt on, bolt off. >> >> Mill the Trex to get the pattern off with a standard electric planner. >> Then you have a very nice tread that is rough to the touch, looks like >> teak, but is made of poylester resin and wood fibre. Totally water proof, >> needs no maintenance, and does not absorb water. If you want too, you can >> add varies gripy tread materials on top if you require additional >> tracksion. >> >> The benefit is that its super strong and very very light. >> >> /ch >> >> >> > > > > -- /ch

Use a soda blaster to remove paint from the mast wont hurt aluminium. And the soda hoses away ants its green Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 20:31:40 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Interesting. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, < ti… [at] ch2m.com > wrote: Yep, the paint is typically thin, and adhered to a good heat transfer material, so my belief is that you would scratch more metal, than remove paint. If you got it real hot, I would fear warping or ruining the material heat treating process (softening the mast). All of this is speculation… Sanding and chemicals really work. Heat?, dunno, I doubt it… and cannot recommend it from my experience. I’m relating this to an old boy scout trick I learned, boiling water in a paper cup - in a camp fire. Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:36 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping That thread confirms that there are exactly as many opinions out there as there are sailors. I did not notice the part about no heat, or are you just adding one more opinion? Allen

WOW Timm, that link has all the answers,, thanks christine stark, of the Sea Dame 1970 Cal 25 #1160 MDR, Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 17, 2012 5:45:51 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Unless your mast is wood, I would not recommend using heat. Read this thread on Sailing anarchy. http://tinyurl.com/83a7xww I would probably go the sanding route, but “they” also use Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE STARK Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint Would heat stripping technique work on taking off paint on the mast?? christine stark of the Sea Dame Cal 25 1970 #1165 From:r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 16, 2012 4:46:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] boat interior paint semi-gloss bathroom paint. Bullseye and Zinser? O think we did the inside of ours about 9 years ago. Mildew resistance, humidity tollerant. Still looks gdoc. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal Rod's correct, Yacht Specialties Inc. Says so on my unit, even though mine was converted from a tiller. Yes, I like the wheel, took some getting used to. I have a painting question, this one inside. I am heat stripping the paint in the main cabin down to the glass. What do I use to replace it? The ports are out also, am replacing the old with ones from Mark Plastics, but I want the paint to look nice and last. Thanks, David Dobbs CAL29 411 From:Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 OEM pedestal I think it was "YACHT SPECIALTIES". I believe that EDSON has bought out the spare parts for YS, after YS went out of business, but I could be wrong. I am sure about YS being the supplier of the pedestals, at least in mid-1970's. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:44:18 -0500 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >Greets: > >Forgot this one. Who was original supplier for the pedistal on the 29 > >-- >/ch > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com wOU

Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. >That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. > >I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. > >Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like >Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? > >Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? > > >Or maybe? > > >Cheers, > >Timm Lessley >503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn >Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint > >Timm, > >I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. > >My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. > >Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. > >Respectfully >Randy >CAL 2-29 >Out Patient >Channel Islands Ca > > >From:"ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint > > >Interior Paint. > >I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. > >What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: > >1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. >2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. > >California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. > >All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. > >Cheers, > >Timm Lessley >503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls > >____________________________________________________________ >53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 >The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried >consumerproducts.com > >

How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, > too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not > cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! > Jerry > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway > > > spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > ** > > One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture.**** > That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter.** > ** > ** ** > I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing.**** > ** ** > Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like > **** > Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest?**** > ** ** > Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use?**** > ** ** > **** > ** ** > Or maybe?**** > ** ** > **** > ** ** > Cheers,**** > * * > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > *Timm Lessley* > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > ** ** > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Randy Alcorn > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint**** > ** ** > Timm,**** > **** > I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was > surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% > setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon > every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a > week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much > water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much > salt is coming out of the wood paneling. **** > **** > My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason > being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior > paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am > letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do > a major project, like replace the beam or something.**** > **** > Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream.**** > **** > Respectfully**** > Randy**** > CAL 2-29**** > Out Patient**** > Channel Islands Ca**** > ** ** > **** > *From:* "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint**** > ** ** > **** > Interior Paint.**** > **** > I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one.**** > **** > What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like:*** > * > **** > 1. *Latex Interior Paint “rots*”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that > never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot > smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the > equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this > stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder > with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital > sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the > paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with > straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I > have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have > been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural > components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the > next decision to cover or not.**** > 2. *“Paint” is porous*. All my wooden surfaces that were painted > or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood > surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my > interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the > surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost > significant weight. **** > **** > California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this > drying and other removal of extra crud.**** > **** > All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look.**** > **** > **** > Cheers,**** > * ***** > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]***** > *Timm Lessley***** > 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls**** > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc> > **** > **** > ** ** > > > > >

That brings to mind what I should do with my circa '79 224 Condor hang glider. It was in a fire hot enuff to melt off the carrying cover, but not enuff to damage the sail or the appearance of the tubes, except in a two small spots along the keel which could be fixed with sail repair tape. One of these days I'll fly it off the sand bluffs, but I'll need a harness for an extra big guy...me. My other problem is my weak back, the durn thing weighs at least 75 lbs. or so. So, how hot do you have to heat aluminum to affect it's hardness, and how do they make aluminum hard to begin with? The nice thing about the glider is that it doesn't weigh anything after you launch., and it don't collect barnacles. Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Interesting. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >Yep, the paint is typically thin, and adhered to a good heat transfer material, so my belief is that you would scratch more metal, than remove paint. If you got it real hot, I would fear warping or ruining the material heat treating process (softening the mast). All of this is speculation… Sanding and chemicals really work. > >Heat?, dunno, I doubt it… and cannot recommend it from my experience. > >I’m relating this to an old boy scout trick I learned, boiling water in a paper cup - in a camp fire. > >Cheers, > >Timm Lessley >503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards >Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:36 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping > > >That thread confirms that there are exactly as many opinions out there as there are sailors. > >I did not notice the part about no heat, or are you just adding one more opinion? > >Allen

Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots - they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon - self reefing mast that at 60' weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. [Ocean Planet] [http://news.mesailing.com/msp/images/ocean_planet_monhegan_start_2005.jpg] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That's why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy's former Conquest? Who's heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? [cid:image002.jpg@01CCEE1D.74D8CF90] Or maybe? [cid:image003.jpg@01CCEE1D.74D8CF90] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint "rots". - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4"grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it - until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. "Paint" is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee'd epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3" on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All "boat smells" are now gone, and I rather like the "natural" look. [cid:image004.jpg@01CCEE1D.74D8CF90] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots – they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon – self reefing mast that at 60’ weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

The whole wooden boat, including everything - hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots - they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon - self reefing mast that at 60' weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That's why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy's former Conquest? Who's heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint "rots". - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4"grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it - until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. "Paint" is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee'd epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3" on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All "boat smells" are now gone, and I rather like the "natural" look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything - hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots - they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon - self reefing mast that at 60' weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That's why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy's former Conquest? Who's heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint "rots". - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4"grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it - until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. "Paint" is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee'd epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3" on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All "boat smells" are now gone, and I rather like the "natural" look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

That is wickedly light and I should have realized you were talking about the entire boat, but it seems like too light for that. Amazing! Both of these boats are amazing. I wonder why I haven't seen "Enchantress" around Santa Barbara? Time to buy some more lottery tickets. Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:54 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything – hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots – they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon – self reefing mast that at 60’ weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

Some of the J (Johnstone - maybe all of them) models were built with balsa-cored hulls to save weight. Ultimately, the boats get leaks into the balsa and get heavy (not good for a racer). Repair is complex and usually not worth it. The J/24 fleet in town used to be the big group, but is now dying (woos problems and competition from newer Js like the J/80). How about making the cabin steps from close-celled foam that is glased over with cloth? Would that be strong enough? Could add a couple lateral hardwood ridges to the bottom. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:55 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wooden boat building, lightweight Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, [Description: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything - hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, [Description: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots - they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon - self reefing mast that at 60' weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That's why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy's former Conquest? Who's heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint "rots". - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4"grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it - until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. "Paint" is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee'd epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3" on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All "boat smells" are now gone, and I rather like the "natural" look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

David, only if you like sleeping in a fold out pipe rack while wearing a helmet. Or doing your business in a bucket. That weight saving comes at a price. Speaking of odors, one of the first critical activities for the port crew, when a Volvo boat comes into port, is to completely wash out and fumigate the boat. And that was not because of cats. I kind of like my old slow heavy CALs. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wooden boat building, lightweight That is wickedly light and I should have realized you were talking about the entire boat, but it seems like too light for that. Amazing! Both of these boats are amazing. I wonder why I haven't seen "Enchantress" around Santa Barbara? Time to buy some more lottery tickets. Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:54 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything - hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots - they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon - self reefing mast that at 60' weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That's why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy's former Conquest? Who's heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint "rots". - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4"grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it - until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. "Paint" is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee'd epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3" on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All "boat smells" are now gone, and I rather like the "natural" look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>

Uggh. My research indicates that polyester melts at 400 degrees, and that holding aircraft alloy at 400 degrees for a length of time, such as in a fire, can reduce the strength or resistance to deformity by 40 percent. So, ok to fly hang glider that's been in a fire, but not pull too many G's and get ready to throw emergency chute. Ouch. More broken bones and body pain, but at least I won't get hypothermia and drown. Jerry PS. I guess I could attach the kite to a winch on a stubby mast, say 18' tall, and use it as a sail, or even let it go skyward like a kite board. Wonder how that will affect my PHRF? From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping That brings to mind what I should do with my circa '79 224 Condor hang glider. It was in a fire hot enuff to melt off the carrying cover, but not enuff to damage the sail or the appearance of the tubes, except in a two small spots along the keel which could be fixed with sail repair tape. One of these days I'll fly it off the sand bluffs, but I'll need a harness for an extra big guy...me. My other problem is my weak back, the durn thing weighs at least 75 lbs. or so. So, how hot do you have to heat aluminum to affect it's hardness, and how do they make aluminum hard to begin with? The nice thing about the glider is that it doesn't weigh anything after you launch., and it don't collect barnacles. Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping Interesting. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >Yep, the paint is typically thin, and adhered to a good heat transfer material, so my belief is that you would scratch more metal, than remove paint. If you got it real hot, I would fear warping or ruining the material heat treating process (softening the mast). All of this is speculation… Sanding and chemicals really work. > >Heat?, dunno, I doubt it… and cannot recommend it from my experience. > >I’m relating this to an old boy scout trick I learned, boiling water in a paper cup - in a camp fire. > >Cheers, > >Timm Lessley >503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards >Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:36 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Mast paint stripping > > >That thread confirms that there are exactly as many opinions out there as there are sailors. > >I did not notice the part about no heat, or are you just adding one more opinion? > >Allen

Gerry, Maybe you need one of these? [Pocket Maxi AAPT with world-record 4,500 sf OutLeader kite] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel PS. I guess I could attach the kite to a winch on a stubby mast, say 18' tall, and use it as a sail, or even let it go skyward like a kite board. Wonder how that will affect my PHRF?

Gee Whizz, that ought to be required equipment on all blue water boats, in case mast goes over the side. On an unrelated note, when Dove, the Lapworth 24 lost it's mast after entering the Indian Ocean, Robin Graham made such good time getting to Africa under jury rig that no one realized there had been a problem until he arrived in port.With my monstrous wing I'd need at least 18' of mast to support the balance point on the keel of the wing, the total wing span is 32' to 34'. Jerry From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Gerry's new sail - no mast required. Gerry, Maybe you need one of these? Cheers, Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel PS. I guess I could attach the kite to a winch on a stubby mast, say 18' tall, and use it as a sail, or even let it go skyward like a kite board. Wonder how that will affect my PHRF?

Hmm. Nice bronze winches (!?). Eric's got some real big ones, and I hope I talked him out of scrapping them this morning. They're off a Witbread racer, or similar, I believe. Enchantress looks like an odd mixture of real old and real new; looks like it should have a triple expansion steam engine auxiliary with a tall black stack, the styling reminds me of the old early 20th century tug boats I recall seeing in NYC harbor, from the observation deck of a Jersey Central R.R. ferry, back in the day, pulling barges with rail cars of the Lackawanna Railraod across the Hudson River. The pretty gal with long blonde hair adds a nice touch to the pictures. Jerry From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wooden boat building, lightweight That is wickedly light and I should have realized you were talking about the entire boat, but it seems like too light for that. Amazing! Both of these boats are amazing. I wonder why I haven't seen "Enchantress" around Santa Barbara? Time to buy some more lottery tickets. Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:54 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything – hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycellcored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots – they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon – self reefing mast that at 60’ weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg><image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From:"ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

That is the yard where we launched our Cal 33-2 when we moved up to Portland! They have one of Disney's Pyewackets in storage -- now owned by some Japanese billionaire. You can walk back on the yard and crawl up through the keel mounting structure and look around the interior. Nothing but pipe racks and braces and struts! They have an incredible history of building fast, strong boats. Their history page on their website is quite inspiring. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS They did about $6000 in work on my boat and it was extremely well done! Very professional operation and the cleanest boat yard I have ever been in! From: "timmothy lessley" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:54:56 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wooden boat building, lightweight Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70 Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything – hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70 Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots – they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon – self reefing mast that at 60’ weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel < so… [at] yahoo.com > wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards < al… [at] gmail.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, < ti… [at] ch2m.com > wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: " ti… [at] ch2m.com " < ti… [at] ch2m.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots ”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous . All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

So Don, I live in Portland, and am even home sometimes. If you are still here we should hook-up sometime for a meet n greet. I’ll be in the arctic for the next few weeks till May(?) building a gas plant… stay in contact. [cid:image001.jpg@01CCEC88.74656050] Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dn… [at] comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:37 PM To: Cal Boats Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wooden boat building, lightweight That is the yard where we launched our Cal 33-2 when we moved up to Portland! They have one of Disney's Pyewackets in storage -- now owned by some Japanese billionaire. You can walk back on the yard and crawl up through the keel mounting structure and look around the interior. Nothing but pipe racks and braces and struts! They have an incredible history of building fast, strong boats. Their history page on their website is quite inspiring. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS They did about $6000 in work on my boat and it was extremely well done! Very professional operation and the cleanest boat yard I have ever been in! From: "timmothy lessley" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:54:56 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wooden boat building, lightweight Interesting cored wooden boats, light fast and strong. Similar to old school cold molded. Uses Butternut for interiors to keep weight down. http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_haven.pdf http://www.schoonercreek.com/images/building_enchantress.pdf Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. The whole wooden boat, including everything – hull, engine, electronics, spars, everything is 17,200# That is wickedly light? Cheers, [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New Companionway - light wood. Timm, Is that a typo or isn't that an awful lot of weight for a 60' mast of any construction? Wilkie On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:25 AM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: Oddly enough the yard I asked for an answer on this subject, pioneered Divinycell cored wooden sailboats that can make over 30 knots – they built the first USA Vendee finishing Yacht. A wild machine with an unstayed Carbon – self reefing mast that at 60’ weighed in at @17,200#. He uses Butternut (White Walnut) for interior light structural materials, including the companion way latter. Never heard of the stuff - ~23-28# per cubic foot. <image006.jpg> <image007.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway How about wrapping the basla wood in some kind of cloth before soaking it with the epoxy? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Basla wood! I used to build model boats out of the stuff...and aircraft, too. Dry redwood is pretty light, and with a coating of epoxy or..why not cheap polyester resin..might work to harden the surface. Tread lightly! Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Drying and New Companionway spruce. My mast, boom, and spinnaker are made of it. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: One of the major jobs of wood in a tree is to suck up moisture. That’s why I sealed it with a barrier of epoxy to keep the boat lighter. I too was surprised by the volume of water I got out. Simply amazing. Next job is lightening the companionway stairs. Maybe doing something like Mike Kennedy’s former Conquest? Who’s heard of a wood that is strong and light for marine use? <image002.jpg> Or maybe? <image003.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Timm, I recently placed a small sears dehumidifier in my interior, I was surprised how much moister came out the first three weeks. At the 65% setting, I emptied a gallon a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks then a gallon every other day for a couple of weeks after. It now sucks up a gallon a week. I am amazed these old interiors are that wet. I sucked out so much water the wood now rattles when I run the engine. I am also amazed how much salt is coming out of the wood paneling. My plan is to wash the salt out and rub oil back into the wood, reason being, oil is lighter than water and seals the wood? As far as the interior paint goes, I am following Roger Jones advice; "just go out and sail". I am letting it just flake and fall off until i have to pull the boat out and do a major project, like replace the beam or something. Thanks for sharing all this with us, California Girl is a dream. Respectfully Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Interior Paint Interior Paint. I think I probably fell off the deep end with this one. What I discovered is that paint has two properties that I do not like: 1. Latex Interior Paint “rots”. - gets a nasty boat odor, that never disappears. The only success that I have had in eliminating paint rot smell is to paint with a polyurethane, something like Bright Sides or the equivalent from West Marine. Unfortunately the only way to get to this stage is to remove all the paint. I removed the paint with a 4”grinder with a spiral flapper wheel, then smoothed out the surfaces with orbital sander. I removed @ 60lbs of paint and excess resin. I also removed all the paint from every locker with a Multimaster and sealed the surfaces, with straight epoxy. Currently California Girl is without interior paint, and I have sealed all surfaces with West System Epoxy, using a squeegee. I have been able to monitor the plywood core and watch other structural components. Maybe it is not pretty, so far I like it – until I can make the next decision to cover or not. 2. “Paint” is porous. All my wooden surfaces that were painted or varnished were wet inside. I removed all paint and varnish from wood surfaces and using electric heat and a humidifier, seriously dried out my interior. Once completely dried out I again squeegee’d epoxy on the surfaces. Pieces that I could weigh (like covers and hatches) lost significant weight. California Girl came up 3” on the combined waterline once I did all this drying and other removal of extra crud. All “boat smells” are now gone, and I rather like the “natural” look. <image004.jpg> Cheers, <image001.png> Timm Lessley 503.863.4019 Cell to cell calls 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f3d884deb915165989fst01duc>