engine compartment cleaner

I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. Thanks again, Steve 1966 "Runamuk"

Steve, I used "Super Clean" from Castrol. It's basically a concrete degreaser. Also loose paint was scraped away. Wear a mask. Vacuum a lot. Use lots of water from the garden hose to flush. We used white bilge coat, but I'm sure there is a less costly alternative. It's time consuming and a filthy project. Good luck & have fun. Drink plenty of beer. Michael From: Steven pishioneri <st… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 4:43 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. Thanks again, Steve 1966 "Runamuk"

For cleaning something like that I would start with 1. a solvent like turpentine or paint thinner to mostly remove the oils, 2. then follow up with soap solution, and then 3. finish with oxalic cleanser like Barkeeper's friend. 4. Final wet sand with soapy water 5. Rinse with fresh water As for paint, well there are many options. I'm sold on West Marine type (Petit) one part polyurethane. Very hard and tough when applied correctly. [http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/21700/1d/content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/5437124.jpg] *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'* (..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven pishioneri Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. Thanks again, Steve 1966 "Runamuk"

TSP is a good cleaner if it is still available. On 3/7/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > For cleaning something like that I would start with > > 1.a solvent like turpentine or paint thinner to mostly remove the oils, > > 2.then follow up with soap solution, and then > > 3.finish with oxalic cleanser like Barkeeper's friend. > > 4.Final wet sand with soapy water > > 5.Rinse with fresh water > > As for paint, well there are many options. I'm sold on West Marine > type (Petit) one part polyurethane. Very hard and tough when applied > correctly. > > http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/21700/1d/content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/5437124.jpg > > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·'* (..........-*/_/)/*** > > *cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70* > > *Timm Lessley* > > *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Steven pishioneri > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:43 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner > > I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop > for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering > if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine > compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, > using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there > own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? > > Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > 1966 "Runamuk" > >

Roline, There's tsp and there's TSP. Traditional tsp was tri-sodium phosphate, and sold by many companies. It fell out of favor during the campaign to get phosphate compounds out of the environment, and disappeared from the market. Then someone started selling something called TSP, but with no real tsp. Recently I have noticed that the real stuff is again being sold, at least here in Illinois, but I bet not in Ca. The real stuff cleans well, not sure about the other. Now let's hear from our chemists. David Dobbs From: roline <ro… [at] charter.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner TSP is a good cleaner if it is still available. On 3/7/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: >For cleaning something like that I would start with >1. a solvent like turpentine or paint thinner to mostly remove the oils, >2. then follow up with soap solution, and then >3. finish with oxalic cleanser like Barkeeper’s friend. >4. Final wet sand with soapy water >5. Rinse with fresh water > >As for paint, well there are many options. I’m sold on West Marine type (Petit) one part polyurethane. Very hard and tough when applied correctly. > > >*´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) >(¸.·´ (¸.·'* (......….-_/) >Timm Lessley > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven pishioneri >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:43 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner > > > I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? > Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. > Thanks again, > Steve > 1966 "Runamuk"

If this isn't the real stuff they fooled me http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202258112/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=tsp&storeId=10051 Allen On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:03 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Roline, > There's tsp and there's TSP. Traditional tsp was tri-sodium phosphate, > and sold by many companies. It fell out of favor during the campaign to > get phosphate compounds out of the environment, and disappeared from the > market. Then someone started selling something called TSP, but with no > real tsp. Recently I have noticed that the real stuff is again being sold, > at least here in Illinois, but I bet not in Ca. The real stuff cleans > well, not sure about the other. > Now let's hear from our chemists. > David Dobbs > > ------------------------------ > *From:* roline <ro… [at] charter.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Cc:* ti… [at] ch2m.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner > > TSP is a good cleaner if it is still available. > > On 3/7/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > > For cleaning something like that I would start with > 1. a solvent like turpentine or paint thinner to mostly remove the > oils, > 2. then follow up with soap solution, and then > 3. finish with oxalic cleanser like Barkeeper’s friend. > 4. Final wet sand with soapy water > 5. Rinse with fresh water > > As for paint, well there are many options. I’m sold on West Marine type > (Petit) one part polyurethane. Very hard and tough when applied correctly. > [image: > http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/21700/1d/content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/5437124.jpg] > > > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·'* (......….-*_/)** * > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > *Timm Lessley* > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > *On Behalf Of *Steven pishioneri > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:43 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner > > > I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop > for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering if > anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine compartment. I > want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, using marine paint. > Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there own a cal with original > Volvo Penta engine? > Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. > Thanks again, > Steve > 1966 "Runamuk" > > > >

Don't know about the States, but tri-sodium-phosphate is available on the shelf in powder form. Its the best you can use but its nasty so take all the necessary precautions including proper ventilation. The other trick that Joe D recommended in a conversation we had a while back was to use brake fluid to get rid of the initial deposits as it dissolves most petrochemical residue, then wash down with TSP, (or the other way around and repeat) then soap and water, As far as prepping for paint, follow the manufactures specs once you have a clean surface. Whats interesting is the half the chemicals on the shelf at Ace, like MEK and toluene have been banned for consumer use up here. Interesting. They are good but known carcinogens. In our over regulated land, these are not available, but McDonalds which is like 80 percent transfat is allowed. Have a degree in chemistry but never actually used it. Worked in a different field...:) /ch

On 3/7/2012 10:03 PM, david dobbs wrote: > Roline, > There's tsp and there's TSP. Traditional tsp was tri-sodium > phosphate, and sold by many companies. It fell out of favor during > the campaign to get phosphate compounds out of the environment, and > disappeared from the market. Then someone started selling something > called TSP, but with no real tsp. Recently I have noticed that the > real stuff is again being sold, at least here in Illinois, but I bet > not in Ca. The real stuff cleans well, not sure about the other. > Now let's hear from our chemists. Or how about from the people who worry about our waters. Phosphorus was a big problem in the Great Lakes, leading to massive blooms of algae. Then we started cleaning up our water and eventually banned various detergents containing phosphorus. The algae, especially the cladophora that washed up on the beaches in big, stinky piles, diminished. But then the zebra mussels invaded from eastern Europe, followed by their more adaptable cousins, the quagga mussels. Among other things, they clarify the water, allowing greater light penetration and more plant growth. They also concentrate various substances in their feces and psuedofeces, increasing the amounts available on the bottom. Now the algae are back with a vengeance. Big, stinky piles are on our beaches again, and they are mucky to walk in when they decay. Read about it here: > http://www.newswise.com/articles/return-of-the-slime#.T1HjInvp5tQ.facebook I'm a volunteer science instructor for the schoolship program here. We do a fish trawl to catch forage fish for the kids to identify and count. A couple years ago the trawl net was clogged with huge amounts of algae at each trawl. Cleaning the net (and locating the fish) was a big pain. Now the problem has diminished some, but elsewhere it's a problem. There's a push to eliminate phosphorus from lawn fertilizers. Apparently it's rarely needed in this region. I've never quite figured out putting fertilizer on the lawn anyway--the more you encourage the grass, the more it grows and the more time you've got to spend cutting it instead of sailing. I let my lawn go dormant in the summer. The neighbors, who never go sailing, sit at home and are horrified as they gaze over their green expanses. I'm on the Cal 20. Who's having more fun? Chris Campbell > David Dobbs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* roline <ro… [at] charter.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Cc:* ti… [at] ch2m.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner > > TSP is a good cleaner if it is still available. > > On 3/7/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com > <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: >> For cleaning something like that I would start with >> 1. a solvent like turpentine or paint thinner to mostly remove the oils, >> 2. then follow up with soap solution, and then >> 3. finish with oxalic cleanser like Barkeeper’s friend. >> 4. Final wet sand with soapy water >> 5. Rinse with fresh water >> As for paint, well there are many options. I’m sold on West Marine >> type (Petit) one part polyurethane. Very hard and tough when applied >> correctly. >> http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/21700/1d/content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/5437124.jpg >> *´¨) >> ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) >> (¸.·´ (¸.·'* (......….-*/_/)/** * >> *cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70* >> *Timm Lessley* >> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven pishioneri >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:43 PM >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner >> I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' >> flattop for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was >> wondering if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for >> engine compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny >> white, using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone >> out there own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? >> Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. >> Thanks again, >> Steve >> 1966 "Runamuk" > >

Couldn't agree with you more, Chris! We have gone a step further and totally eliminated grass from our front yard at our home in California. There are 16 roses, a magnolia, 5 trees, a lemon tree, a cherry tree, crepe myrtles, azaleas, various bulbs, and lots of daisies. The whole yard is mulched between the plants. Water use is now 1/3 what it was when the yard was planted with grass and we have the added benefit of much lower energy consumption in the house because the whole front yard is 20 degrees cooler on average than it was. The mulch provides most of the nutrient needs to the plants as it decomposes as well as keeping the drip sprinklers from having any run-off onto the sidewalks and street. My new home in Oregon has the same type of front yard as well as 3 of my new neighbors. It is very attractive as well as efficient. The only high maintenance (pruning) plants are the roses, but having fresh cut flowers on the dinner table from March through December is worth the work! And yes, an added benefit is the lack of mowing gives me free weekends to spend on the boat sailing instead of mowing! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS Tie in to the thread -- we plan on cleaning the garage floor of the new house with TSP before we move in and coating the floor with a good epoxy paint. I will use a bucket of fresh water to rinse rather than the hose and capture the rinse water with my shop vac. Then I can let the material dry and dispose of the residue in the trash rather than washing it down the driveway and into the Willamette River. On Mar 8, 2012, at 7:03 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > On 3/7/2012 10:03 PM, david dobbs wrote: >> >> Roline, >> There's tsp and there's TSP. Traditional tsp was tri-sodium phosphate, and sold by many companies. It fell out of favor during the campaign to get phosphate compounds out of the environment, and disappeared from the market. Then someone started selling something called TSP, but with no real tsp. Recently I have noticed that the real stuff is again being sold, at least here in Illinois, but I bet not in Ca. The real stuff cleans well, not sure about the other. >> Now let's hear from our chemists. > > Or how about from the people who worry about our waters. Phosphorus was a big problem in the Great Lakes, leading to massive blooms of algae. Then we started cleaning up our water and eventually banned various detergents containing phosphorus. The algae, especially the cladophora that washed up on the beaches in big, stinky piles, diminished. But then the zebra mussels invaded from eastern Europe, followed by their more adaptable cousins, the quagga mussels. Among other things, they clarify the water, allowing greater light penetration and more plant growth. They also concentrate various substances in their feces and psuedofeces, increasing the amounts available on the bottom. Now the algae are back with a vengeance. Big, stinky piles are on our beaches again, and they are mucky to walk in when they decay. Read about it here: >> http://www.newswise.com/articles/return-of-the-slime#.T1HjInvp5tQ.facebook > I'm a volunteer science instructor for the schoolship program here. We do a fish trawl to catch forage fish for the kids to identify and count. A couple years ago the trawl net was clogged with huge amounts of algae at each trawl. Cleaning the net (and locating the fish) was a big pain. Now the problem has diminished some, but elsewhere it's a problem. > > There's a push to eliminate phosphorus from lawn fertilizers. Apparently it's rarely needed in this region. I've never quite figured out putting fertilizer on the lawn anyway--the more you encourage the grass, the more it grows and the more time you've got to spend cutting it instead of sailing. I let my lawn go dormant in the summer. The neighbors, who never go sailing, sit at home and are horrified as they gaze over their green expanses. I'm on the Cal 20. Who's having more fun? > > Chris Campbell > >> David Dobbs >> >> From: roline <ro… [at] charter.net> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Cc: ti… [at] ch2m.com >> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner >> >> TSP is a good cleaner if it is still available. >> >> On 3/7/2012 8:10 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: >>> >>> For cleaning something like that I would start with >>> 1. a solvent like turpentine or paint thinner to mostly remove the oils, >>> 2. then follow up with soap solution, and then >>> 3. finish with oxalic cleanser like Barkeeper’s friend. >>> 4. Final wet sand with soapy water >>> 5. Rinse with fresh water >>> >>> As for paint, well there are many options. I’m sold on West Marine type (Petit) one part polyurethane. Very hard and tough when applied correctly. >>> <Mail Attachment.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> *´¨) >>> ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) >>> (¸.·´ (¸.·'* (......….-_/) >>> <Mail Attachment.png> >>> Timm Lessley >>> >>> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven pishioneri >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:43 PM >>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] engine compartment cleaner >>> >>> >>> I have removed our original Volvo Penta MD2 from our 1966 28' flattop for rebuild and am close to putting engine back in and was wondering if anyone had some thoughts into cleaning solution for engine compartment. I want to clean it then repaint it nice shinny white, using marine paint. Something cheap and easy?? Also, anyone out there own a cal with original Volvo Penta engine? >>> Thanks group...love reading all great ideas on this site. >>> Thanks again, >>> Steve >>> 1966 "Runamuk" >> >> >

On 3/8/2012 8:45 AM, chris123 wrote: > > > Don't know about the States, but tri-sodium-phosphate is available on > the shelf in powder form. Its the best you can use but its nasty so > take all the necessary precautions including proper ventilation. The > other trick that Joe D recommended in a conversation we had a while > back was to use brake fluid to get rid of the initial deposits ********* Not brake fluid, which is oil based. Use "Brakleen" which is an outstanding degreaser. Joe D > as it dissolves most petrochemical residue, then wash down with TSP, > (or the other way around and repeat) then soap and water, As far as > prepping for paint, follow the manufactures specs once you have a > clean surface. > > Whats interesting is the half the chemicals on the shelf at Ace, like > MEK and toluene have been banned for consumer use up here. > Interesting. They are good but known carcinogens. In our over > regulated land, these are not available, but McDonalds which is like > 80 percent transfat is allowed. > > Have a degree in chemistry but never actually used it. Worked in a > different field...:) > > /ch > > > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*