'70 Cal 34 sail dilemma

Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts?

I had roller furling on Papoose for about 15 years and hanked on sails for the last about 5 years. It is a lot easier to change sails that are hanked on. The hanked on sails are fit the boat better because there isn't that big drum there. If you only use one sail, roller furling is easier to deal with. One of the issues I had here in SF Bay was that I often had the wrong sail up or left the wrong sail up last time for the day I am in. If you have a large sail furled up and need a small sail, it is kind of a pain. There were also times in high winds where it was difficult to get the sail furled up. My sails could not be partially furled so that might have been a contributing factor but I am told that you really cannot get a good sail shape with a partially furled sail anyway. I don't think there is a clear winner but I am sticking with my hanked on sails. That is my preference. Hope this helps. I assume everyone else is going to advise going with the furler. Allen On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here > is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the > original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will > need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling > installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of > original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second > recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to > not deal with it. Thoughts? > > >

Lots of trade offs here. How often do you sail in conditions where you really need the 150%? If you can give up some performance except for exceptional cases, leave the 115% hanked on, get a bag designed to cover the sail while it remains hanked on and you're nearly at the convenience of roller furling. When I go on club trips where the honor of my boat is at stake and I have lots of crew I use my roller furled 150%. What I've discovered for family cruising is that the boat sails well enough under the #3 that I just put that up for the entire trip. Easier to tack, not tempted to switch from the 150% to the #3 when I need to roller reef as I hate the shape of the sail reefed, as I already have the #3 up. If I had hanks and a forestay bag, that would be almost as easy as the roller furler. Sailed on a 69 Cal 34 for many years with hanked sails. Was very suspicious of the roller reefing on my Cal 40 when I got it. Works alright but I did have a learning curve to not have problems with it. John From: Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts?

Reef rite makes neat system called Kiwi slides these can be sewn onto the sail at the hank locations and then the sail can be used on a roller furling bolt rope slot. The reef rite downloader system allows for quick change of sails. Check out their website. I like their design on the reefing system. John Raxter Venture Construction 336-210-8073 (m) On Mar 18, 2012, at 3:33 PM, "Mike" <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts? > >

When we bought Sara E I was delighted with her hank-on jibs, even though only the 110 turned out to be usable. After a few years we could see daylight through even that sail, so were faced with this decision. When we ordered the new sail, we went with a furler. On balance it was a good decision - the furler (Harken) is reliable and smooth-working equipment; now both of us, not just one of us, can deal with the sail; and it's off the foredeck when we deal with ground tackle (which we do a lot) and accompanying mud. I do miss the simplicity and robustness of hank-on sails, though, and if we had had foresails which were not on their last legs we almost surely would have kept on. Bill Symes s/v Sara E (Cal Cruising 36) --- On Sun, 3/18/12, Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 2:33 PM Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts?

My I just add this thought. Keep what you have given that they are in great shape, and when they are blown out, then get the fuller. You are younger now then you will be then so this is the right way to run the experiment. Then in another 7 years, you can offer advice to the next guy who asks this question. :-) Allen On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here > is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the > original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will > need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling > installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of > original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second > recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to > not deal with it. Thoughts? > > >

Wish I had some sais to decide between. Sails were taken off 1977 Cal 34 Mark 3 and now I have to buy all new or used. Plus redoing the interior. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike" <sa… [at] yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:33 PM To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma > Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here > is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the > original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will > need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling > installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of > original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The > second Plus > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Or if you wish to benefit from the advantages of the furler, your sailmaker can add a #6 luff tape after removing the hanks from both sails. Harken makes an excellent product that allows for the removal of the drum when racing with crew. My Best, Mike From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma My I just add this thought. Keep what you have given that they are in great shape, and when they are blown out, then get the fuller. You are younger now then you will be then so this is the right way to run the experiment. Then in another 7 years, you can offer advice to the next guy who asks this question. :-) Allen On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts? > >

Mike, are you sailing with 2 people? Also, where is the winch for your jib? Thanks Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:34 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

To clarify, most likely the 150% is full hoist, so you wouldn't be able to use the sail as a roller furled sail, it would just be on the foil without roller capability. The sail will be too long and you won't be able to use the swivel or the drum. If the other sail is a short enough hoist it might fit on the furler parts. John From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma Or if you wish to benefit from the advantages of the furler, your sailmaker can add a #6 luff tape after removing the hanks from both sails. Harken makes an excellent product that allows for the removal of the drum when racing with crew. My Best, Mike From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma My I just add this thought. Keep what you have given that they are in great shape, and when they are blown out, then get the fuller. You are younger now then you will be then so this is the right way to run the experiment. Then in another 7 years, you can offer advice to the next guy who asks this question. :-) Allen On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Mike <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts? > >

Much of the time I sail with one--- ME. My primary winches are where Bill Lee put them. I take 1 wrap and then crossover to trim from the windward side. My Best, Mike Farrell From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma Mike, are you sailing with 2 people? Also, where is the winch for your jib? Thanks Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:34 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Actually, we have a 150 on our current boat (a Tartan 34C) and we have no problem rolling it up on our furler. The drum has plenty of capacity for a sail this size. I expect that the size of the furling line would play a role in determining the maximum foot length that any given furler could roll up reliably. Alfred --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Courter <cal40john@...> wrote: > > To clarify, most likely the 150% is full hoist, so you wouldn't be able to use the sail as a roller  furled sail, it would just be on the foil without roller capability.  The sail will be too long and you won't be able to use the swivel or the drum.  If the other sail is a short enough hoist it might fit on the furler parts. > > John > > > ________________________________ > From: mike farrell <vectormenow@...> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma > > >  > Or if you wish to benefit from the advantages of the furler, your sailmaker can add a #6 luff tape after removing the hanks from both sails. Harken makes an excellent product that allows for the removal of the drum when racing with crew. >                         My Best, Mike > > From: Allen Edwards <allen.p.edwards@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] '70 Cal 34 sail dilemma > > > > > My I just add this thought.  Keep what you have given that they are in great shape, and when they are blown out, then get the fuller.  You are younger now then you will be then so this is the right way to run the experiment.  Then in another 7 years,  you can offer advice to the next guy who asks this question. :-) > > Allen > > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Mike <santa_barbara_wave@...> wrote: > > > > > >Sailing friends, we are currently working to restore a 1970 Cal 34. Here is our most recent dilemma. We need to decide between utilizing the original jib sails (a 115% and a 150%) that are in great shape but will need to be hanked on, or go with the ease of having roller furling installed. The first option offers the romance and old school charm of original sails and sail bags with the bonus of sailing options. The second recognizes that we aren't getting any younger and it would just be nice to not deal with it. Thoughts? > > > > >