Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda

Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing Association Facebook page: For those of you who attended Tuesday night's meeting (3-13-12), some of you found out for the first time that despite the L.A. County's, and Director Santos Kriemann's pledge to do everything possible to support boating in Marina del Rey, the exact opposite is true. One of his slides showed the wonderful new boating facility on Mindanao Way, a 'boat house' to house kayaks and El Toros (those tiny prams barely big enough for one adult), but missing is the Santa Monica Windjammer's Y.C. and all the parking and mast up storage, which will be demolished in favor of fancy landscaping with a small pond and artificial brook, as well as all the mast up storage of Pier 77 on the opposite side. Fortunately, as a trained bomber- navigator in the USN I caught it right away, despite his claims that "Oh, the Yacht Club's over there" pointing to where the former Tampico Tilly's/Moose McGillicuty's restaurant is located. Santos plans on putting all the displaced sailboats in his monstrous mechanical robotic multistory boat storage building. I don't think he knows much about masts, booms and rigging, but lots about real estate developing and P.R. which is how he got to be Director of Beaches and Harbors. Never you mind commercial real estate development was STRICTLY forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, 1954, which took America's Federal tax money to finance the purchase of land and building of what is supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational Boating Harbor and Water Park, NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside homes FOR THE TOP FEW PERCENT. This is NOT what any sane person would call Government For the People. This is Government for the Financially and Politically Privileged. It's a fraud and a swindle. It's robbing the average citizen to give to the rich. It's an outrage! Jerry sobel

You are the 99% On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > ** > > > Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing Association > Facebook page: > > For those of you who attended Tuesday night's meeting (3-13-12), some of > you found out for the first time that despite the L.A. County's, and > Director Santos Kriemann's pledge to do everything possible to support > boating in Marina del Rey, the exact opposite is true. One of his slides > showed the wonderful new boating facility on Mindanao Way, a 'boat house' > to house kayaks and El Toros (those tiny prams barely big enough for one > adult), but missing is the Santa Monica Windjammer's Y.C. and all the > parking and mast up storage, which will be demolished in favor of fancy > landscaping with a small pond and artificial brook, as well as all the mast > up storage of Pier 77 on the opposite side. Fortunately, as a trained > bomber- navigator in the USN I caught it right away, despite his claims > that "Oh, the Yacht Club's over there" pointing to where the former Tampico > Tilly's/Moose McGillicuty's restaurant is located. Santos plans on putting > all the displaced sailboats in his monstrous mechanical robotic multistory > boat storage building. I don't think he knows much about masts, booms and > rigging, but lots about real estate developing and P.R. which is how he got > to be Director of Beaches and Harbors. Never you mind commercial real > estate development was STRICTLY forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, > 1954, which took America's Federal tax money to finance the purchase of > land and building of what is supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational > Boating Harbor and Water Park, NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside > homes FOR THE TOP FEW PERCENT. > > This is NOT what any sane person would call Government For the People. > This is Government for the Financially and Politically Privileged. It's a > fraud and a swindle. It's robbing the average citizen to give to the rich. > It's an outrage! > Jerry sobel > > >

Thanks Jerry, Is it too late to stop this land grab? What do you plan to do next? I keep my SC27 inj the dry yard on Treasure Island. Development of TI calls for a 400 boat marina to occupy Clipper Cove. This will take an excellent area away from the Treasure Island Sailing center which has activities for the disabled and blind and disadvantaged in addition to very low cost sailing classes and scholarship. My dry storage fees go directly into the program. TISC pays nothing to the City of San Francisco and SF gets to claim civic service for disadvantaged people which earns "Political Points" I believe that development dollars will trump civic duty in the showdown that will come someday. Until then I enjoy watching a 60lb young sailor boy or girl righting a turtled Opti while their classmates shout encouragment. America's Cup is fine---Youth sailing is finer! Do the right thing because it is right. My Best, Mike Farrell From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda You are the 99% On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing Association Facebook page: > > >For those of you who attended Tuesday night's meeting (3-13-12), some of you found out for the first time that despite the L.A. County's, and Director Santos Kriemann's pledge to do everything possible to support boating in Marina del Rey, the exact opposite is true. One of his slides showed the wonderful new boating facility on Mindanao Way, a 'boat house' to house kayaks and El Toros (those tiny prams barely big enough for one adult), but missing is the Santa Monica Windjammer's Y.C. and all the parking and mast up storage, which will be demolished in favor of fancy landscaping with a small pond and artificial brook, as well as all the mast up storage of Pier 77 on the opposite side. Fortunately, as a trained bomber- navigator in the USN I caught it right away, despite his claims that "Oh, the Yacht Club's over there" pointing to where the former Tampico Tilly's/Moose McGillicuty's restaurant is located. Santos plans on putting all the displaced sailboats in his monstrous mechanical robotic multistory boat storage building. I don't think he knows much about masts, booms and rigging, but lots about real estate developing and P.R. which is how he got to be Director of Beaches and Harbors. Never you mind commercial real estate development was STRICTLY forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, 1954, which took America's Federal tax money to finance the purchase of land and building of what is supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational Boating Harbor and Water Park, NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside homes FOR THE TOP FEW PERCENT. > > >This is NOT what any sane person would call Government For the People. This is Government for the Financially and Politically Privileged. It's a fraud and a swindle. It's robbing the average citizen to give to the rich. It's an outrage! >Jerry sobel

Hi,, I can't agree with you more on this thread. We need quality places where our youth can be exposed to, learn and enjoy the sailing world. It sounds like the current facility is a wonderful place to be. If you have an organization that advocates for individuals that have disabilities, you may want to try and get a Center for Disabilities involved with your group to prevent over zealous governmnet officials from taking away a productive environment. I hate it when government officials only serve there own agendas that are backed by high financed lobbyers. I think that government has lost sight on who they should serve. It seems to me that they think that we serve them.... They need to know otherwise.. Sorry for the short rant, but don't let them take your wonderful facility away.... Jim Ives - Kool BeansRochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ve… [at] yahoo.com Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:11:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda Thanks Jerry, Is it too late to stop this land grab? What do you plan to do next? I keep my SC27 inj the dry yard on Treasure Island. Development of TI calls for a 400 boat marina to occupy Clipper Cove. This will take an excellent area away from the Treasure Island Sailing center which has activities for the disabled and blind and disadvantaged in addition to very low cost sailing classes and scholarship. My dry storage fees go directly into the program. TISC pays nothing to the City of San Francisco and SF gets to claim civic service for disadvantaged people which earns "Political Points" I believe that development dollars will trump civic duty in the showdown that will come someday. Until then I enjoy watching a 60lb young sailor boy or girl righting a turtled Opti while their classmates shout encouragment. America's Cup is fine---Youth sailing is finer! Do the right thing because it is right. My Best, Mike Farrell From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda You are the 99% On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing Association Facebook page: For those of you who attended Tuesday night's meeting (3-13-12), some of you found out for the first time that despite the L.A. County's, and Director Santos Kriemann's pledge to do everything possible to support boating in Marina del Rey, the exact opposite is true. One of his slides showed the wonderful new boating facility on Mindanao Way, a 'boat house' to house kayaks and El Toros (those tiny prams barely big enough for one adult), but missing is the Santa Monica Windjammer's Y.C. and all the parking and mast up storage, which will be demolished in favor of fancy landscaping with a small pond and artificial brook, as well as all the mast up storage of Pier 77 on the opposite side. Fortunately, as a trained bomber- navigator in the USN I caught it right away, despite his claims that "Oh, the Yacht Club's over there" pointing to where the former Tampico Tilly's/Moose McGillicuty's restaurant is located. Santos plans on putting all the displaced sailboats in his monstrous mechanical robotic multistory boat storage building. I don't think he knows much about masts, booms and rigging, but lots about real estate developing and P.R. which is how he got to be Director of Beaches and Harbors. Never you mind commercial real estate development was STRICTLY forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, 1954, which took America's Federal tax money to finance the purchase of land and building of what is supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational Boating Harbor and Water Park, NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside homes FOR THE TOP FEW PERCENT. This is NOT what any sane person would call Government For the People. This is Government for the Financially and Politically Privileged. It's a fraud and a swindle. It's robbing the average citizen to give to the rich. It's an outrage! Jerry sobel

Just the opposite has happened in San Pedro, where we have a brand new marina on minor street that is totally empty. There appears to be slips for all size craft. With the recent downturn of the economy the existing marinas are not full and the city has done what it can to keep the demand rather than letting the supply dictate the price. In any event we have no wait for slips. Mark San Pedro CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda You are the 99% On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing Association Facebook page: For those of you who attended Tuesday night's meeting (3-13-12), some of you found out for the first time that despite the L.A. County's, and Director Santos Kriemann's pledge to do everything possible to support boating in Marina del Rey, the exact opposite is true. One of his slides showed the wonderful new boating facility on Mindanao Way, a 'boat house' to house kayaks and El Toros (those tiny prams barely big enough for one adult), but missing is the Santa Monica Windjammer's Y.C. and all the parking and mast up storage, which will be demolished in favor of fancy landscaping with a small pond and artificial brook, as well as all the mast up storage of Pier 77 on the opposite side. Fortunately, as a trained bomber- navigator in the USN I caught it right away, despite his claims that "Oh, the Yacht Club's over there" pointing to where the former Tampico Tilly's/Moose McGillicuty's restaurant is located. Santos plans on putting all the displaced sailboats in his monstrous mechanical robotic multistory boat storage building. I don't think he knows much about masts, booms and rigging, but lots about real estate developing and P.R. which is how he got to be Director of Beaches and Harbors. Never you mind commercial real estate development was STRICTLY forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, 1954, which took America's Federal tax money to finance the purchase of land and building of what is supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational Boating Harbor and Water Park, NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside homes FOR THE TOP FEW PERCENT. This is NOT what any sane person would call Government For the People. This is Government for the Financially and Politically Privileged. It's a fraud and a swindle. It's robbing the average citizen to give to the rich. It's an outrage! Jerry sobel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6975 (20120317) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6975 (20120317) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

On 3/17/2012 2:55 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing > Association Facebook page: > > Never you mind commercial real estate development was STRICTLY > forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, 1954, which took America's > Federal tax money to finance the purchase of land and building of what > is supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational Boating Harbor and Water > Park, NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside homes FOR THE TOP FEW > PERCENT. If you've done some research about the restrictions imposed on marinas developed with federal money, you ought to be asking around to see if any fellow sailors are connected with local environmental groups and/or trial lawyers who do zoning, planning, land use cases. Those folks typically have a more populist orientation and are more willing to take on cases in the public interest. There may be some administrative remedies, depending on which federal agencies must administer the original funding agreement, approve environmental studies of the new development's impact, etc. There may be state agencies that deal with water issues also. There are often multiple agency reviews required for projects. Try to find the one that's willing to listen. Hollering *in bold face AND CAPS* won't solve the problem, even if it makes you feel better momentarily. You need either large numbers of people, which sometimes impresses elected officials, or legal action, if you don't have numbers. Chris Campbell

I agree with the comment Chris has just made. Btw, where I come from, someone would just file a suit. Find a lawyer with a Cal. :-) And don't say top few percent. It is the top 1%. Allen On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > ** On 3/17/2012 2:55 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Fellow sailors, this is what I posted on our Women's Sailing Association > Facebook page: > > Never you mind commercial real estate development was STRICTLY > forbidden in the Congressional Act of 389, 1954, which took America's > Federal tax money to finance the purchase of land and building of what is > supposed to be a Small Craft Recreational Boating Harbor and Water Park, > NOT A YACHT HARBOR with Luxury waterside homes FOR THE TOP FEW PERCENT. > > > If you've done some research about the restrictions imposed on marinas > developed with federal money, you ought to be asking around to see if any > fellow sailors are connected with local environmental groups and/or trial > lawyers who do zoning, planning, land use cases. Those folks typically > have a more populist orientation and are more willing to take on cases in > the public interest. > > There may be some administrative remedies, depending on which federal > agencies must administer the original funding agreement, approve > environmental studies of the new development's impact, etc. There may be > state agencies that deal with water issues also. There are often multiple > agency reviews required for projects. Try to find the one that's willing > to listen. > > Hollering *in bold face AND CAPS* won't solve the problem, even if it > makes you feel better momentarily. You need either large numbers of > people, which sometimes impresses elected officials, or legal action, if > you don't have numbers. > > Chris Campbell > > >

Would this be called a wet-suit? I agree with the comment Chris has just made. Btw, where I come from, someone would just file a suit. Find a lawyer with a Cal. :-)

What about going to the TV stations with the info about the federal goverment funding a project for 100% of the people, but the developer seems to have dropped a couple of zeros. Not from the price but from the precentage of people who can use it. Dateline: The fleecing of America .

James. Good suggestion. Some of this has been done (contacting mass media, demonstrating), or attempted. I think part of the problem is that the media is owned and controlled by the same group of people who are behind the swindle, otherwise they'd be on this like white on rice from the get-go. These people are swimming in money, and what better way to spend your money then to spend it on a sure thing, like beach front property that you get for next to nothing, after getting the taxpayers to develop and improve it for you. (Kinda reminds me of the series of bank bailouts etc, but folks get offended if you bring that up). After all, MdR was built on a swamp and played-out industrial wasteland and petered out oil wells. It is hard to get people involved. Not only that, but nearly as many get down right "ornery", even infuriated at me, if I bring up the subject. No one wants to be labeled with the term "activist", its like "anarchist"...someone who stands up and rocks the boat (as in.."Sit DOWN, Sit Down, yer rockin dah boat!!..and the devil will drag us under..") Jon, et. al.Wow. More response from aroujnd the USA than right here in Lah Lah Land. But what do you expect. They don't call this Lah Lah Land Not fer Nuthin! Maybe we need to expand our mailing list somehow, maybe it's a percentage thing, as in, the more folks know there is a movement, the more the tiny minority of folks that will rise up, will rise up and fight this. Jerry ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: James Pollock <jp… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda What about going to the TV stations with the info about the federal goverment funding a project for 100% of the people, but the developer seems to have dropped a couple of zeros. Not from the price but from the precentage of people who can use it. Dateline: The fleecing of America >. >

Jerry, May I suggest bringing it up with the Occupy - Los Angeles folks <https://www.facebook.com/occupyLA>? This seems like something right up their alley. I bet they aren't even aware of this. Of course, there will need to be some education about sailing and our community or else we would be labeled as 1 percenters because we have a "yacht". Most peoples' perceptions of sailboat owners are as rich guys. They don't realize that we spent less on our old boats (initially!) than they did with their new Ford Focus and that these boats are our passion and hobby and that many of us forgo life's niceties to keep up with their cost. Something that would help gain their attention would be a simplified and succinct statement of the situation accompanied by the timeline of events and footnotes citing documents supporting your case. I bet you can find a sympathetic ear there. If I were living in Cali still, I would be raising Cain too. Go get 'em, Brother! Mike McElhaney 1965 Cal-20 #737 (TBN), 1965 Cal-40 #44, /Celtic Naut/. On 3/21/2012 12:18 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > James. > Good suggestion. Some of this has been done (contacting mass media, > demonstrating), or attempted. I think part of the problem is that the > media is owned and controlled by the same group of people who are > behind the swindle, otherwise they'd be on this like white on rice > from the get-go. These people are swimming in money, and what better > way to spend your money then to spend it on a sure thing, like beach > front property that you get for next to nothing, after getting the > taxpayers to develop and improve it for you. (Kinda reminds me of the > series of bank bailouts etc, but folks get offended if you bring that > up). After all, MdR was built on a swamp and played-out industrial > wasteland and petered out oil wells. It is hard to get people > involved. Not only that, but nearly as many get down right "ornery", > even infuriated at me, if I bring up the subject. No one wants to be > labeled with the term "activist", its like "anarchist"...someone who > stands up and rocks the boat (as in.."Sit DOWN, Sit Down, yer rockin > dah boat!!..and the devil will drag us under..") > > Jon, et. al.Wow. More response from aroujnd the USA than right here in > Lah Lah Land. But what do you expect. They don't call this Lah Lah > Land Not fer Nuthin! Maybe we need to expand our mailing list somehow, > maybe it's a percentage thing, as in, the more folks know there is a > movement, the more the tiny minority of folks that will rise up, will > rise up and fight this. > Jerry > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* James Pollock <jp… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's > Presentation of Developer's Propaganda > > What about going to the TV stations with the info about the federal > goverment funding a project for 100% of the people, but the developer > seems to have dropped a couple of zeros. Not from the price but from > the precentage of people who can use it. > Dateline: The fleecing of America > > . > > > > > >

I grew up in lala land but am now in northern California but you have my support, for what that is worth... If you would like to write an article I will publish it on L-36.com. Not everyone reads everything on there but it did get over 40,000 pageviews in the last 30 days. It would need some pictures and text and I can do the rest, or you can send a pdf finished article, or anything between. Your choice. Allen L-36.com On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > James. > Good suggestion. Some of this has been done (contacting mass media, > demonstrating), or attempted. I think part of the problem is that the media > is owned and controlled by the same group of people who are behind the > swindle, otherwise they'd be on this like white on rice from the get-go. > These people are swimming in money, and what better way to spend your money > then to spend it on a sure thing, like beach front property that you get > for next to nothing, after getting the taxpayers to develop and improve it > for you. (Kinda reminds me of the series of bank bailouts etc, but folks > get offended if you bring that up). After all, MdR was built on a swamp and > played-out industrial wasteland and petered out oil wells. It is hard to > get people involved. Not only that, but nearly as many get down right > "ornery", even infuriated at me, if I bring up the subject. No one wants to > be labeled with the term "activist", its like "anarchist"...someone who > stands up and rocks the boat (as in.."Sit DOWN, Sit Down, yer rockin dah > boat!!..and the devil will drag us under..") > > Jon, et. al.Wow. More response from aroujnd the USA than right here in Lah > Lah Land. But what do you expect. They don't call this Lah Lah Land Not fer > Nuthin! Maybe we need to expand our mailing list somehow, maybe it's a > percentage thing, as in, the more folks know there is a movement, the more > the tiny minority of folks that will rise up, will rise up and fight this. > Jerry > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* James Pollock <jp… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation > of Developer's Propaganda > > > What about going to the TV stations with the info about the federal > goverment funding a project for 100% of the people, but the developer seems > to have dropped a couple of zeros. Not from the price but from > the precentage of people who can use it. > > Dateline: The fleecing of America > > > . > > > > >

Offer to take a couple of them out for a FREE sailing lesson. Might increase number of boaters and people wanting to save these classics. Sounds like something that has been recently proposed out here in Winthrop harbor, IL. To take away the free public boat ramp and other facilities and build convention center, condos and such on the lake then charge the little guy an arm and both legs to us it. --- On Wed, 3/21/12, mike <mi… [at] wahini.org> wrote: From: mike <mi… [at] wahini.org> Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 11:39 AM Jerry, May I suggest bringing it up with the Occupy - Los Angeles folks ? This seems like something right up their alley. I bet they aren't even aware of this. Of course, there will need to be some education about sailing and our community or else we would be labeled as 1 percenters because we have a "yacht". Most peoples' perceptions of sailboat owners are as rich guys. They don't realize that we spent less on our old boats (initially!) than they did with their new Ford Focus and that these boats are our passion and hobby and that many of us forgo life's niceties to keep up with their cost. Something that would help gain their attention would be a simplified and succinct statement of the situation accompanied by the timeline of events and footnotes citing documents supporting your case. I bet you can find a sympathetic ear there. If I were living in Cali still, I would be raising Cain too. Go get 'em, Brother! Mike McElhaney 1965 Cal-20 #737 (TBN), 1965 Cal-40 #44, Celtic Naut. On 3/21/2012 12:18 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: James. Good suggestion. Some of this has been done (contacting mass media, demonstrating), or attempted. I think part of the problem is that the media is owned and controlled by the same group of people who are behind the swindle, otherwise they'd be on this like white on rice from the get-go. These people are swimming in money, and what better way to spend your money then to spend it on a sure thing, like beach front property that you get for next to nothing, after getting the taxpayers to develop and improve it for you. (Kinda reminds me of the series of bank bailouts etc, but folks get offended if you bring that up). After all, MdR was built on a swamp and played-out industrial wasteland and petered out oil wells. It is hard to get people involved. Not only that, but nearly as many get down right "ornery", even infuriated at me, if I bring up the subject. No one wants to be labeled with the term "activist", its like "anarchist"...someone who stands up and rocks the boat (as in.."Sit DOWN, Sit Down, yer rockin dah boat!!..and the devil will drag us under..") Jon, et. al.Wow. More response from aroujnd the USA than right here in Lah Lah Land. But what do you expect. They don't call this Lah Lah Land Not fer Nuthin! Maybe we need to expand our mailing list somehow, maybe it's a percentage thing, as in, the more folks know there is a movement, the more the tiny minority of folks that will rise up, will rise up and fight this. Jerry ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: James Pollock <jp… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Director of Beaches and Harbor's Presentation of Developer's Propaganda What about going to the TV stations with the info about the federal goverment funding a project for 100% of the people, but the developer seems to have dropped a couple of zeros. Not from the price but from the precentage of people who can use it. Dateline: The fleecing of America .