Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian

Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. /ch Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc

Bathroom fiberglass panel headliner kit, ceiling on Freewind; Cal 9.2. [cid:im… [at] 01CD0804.FD8A67D0] [cid:im… [at] 01CD0804.FD8A67D0] [cid:im… [at] 01CD0804.FD8A67D0] *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:16 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. /ch Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc>theeasyloansite.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc>

Tim, that isn't the ceiling.........I'd like to see how you made the panels fit the CEILING, but you don't show the ceiling in these photos. Your new OVERHEAD does look EXCELLENT though. Rod Johnson On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:23:01 +0000 <ti… [at] ch2m.com> writes: Bathroom fiberglass panel headliner kit, ceiling on Freewind; Cal 9.2. *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-_/) Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:16 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. /ch Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs theeasyloansite.com 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6b381fb4d2c2d8a862st06duc

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Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Tim, that isn't the ceiling.........I'd like to see how you made the panels fit the CEILING, but you don't show the ceiling in these photos. Your new OVERHEAD does look EXCELLENT though. Rod Johnson On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:23:01 +0000 <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> writes: Bathroom fiberglass panel headliner kit, ceiling on Freewind; Cal 9.2. [cid:image002.jpg@01CD0807.0266FEB0] [cid:image003.jpg@01CD0807.0266FEB0] [cid:image004.jpg@01CD0807.0266FEB0] *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:16 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. 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Also trimmed out the head sink using the remaining materials [cid:image001.jpg@01CD080A.484885E0] *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley

Careful, Timm might take some of those ropes he uses on those large traingular sheet like things that make the boat move and hang you up on that tall pole in the front of his boat. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com>wrote: > ** > > > ** > Tim, that isn't the ceiling.........I'd like to see how you made the > panels fit the CEILING, but you don't show the ceiling in these photos. > > Your new OVERHEAD does look EXCELLENT though. > > Rod Johnson > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:23:01 +0000 <ti… [at] ch2m.com> writes: > > > > Bathroom fiberglass panel headliner kit, ceiling on Freewind; Cal 9.2.*** > * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-*_/)** * **** > > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > > *Timm Lessley* > > **** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rodney G. Johnson > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:16 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian**** > > **** > > **** > > Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the > hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to > conform to the compound curves.**** > > **** > > I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a > bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several > CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great > idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid > sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word > "ceiling"?**** > > **** > > On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually > the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was > often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside > of the frames.**** > > **** > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** > > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201**** > > former co-owner of "NODROG"**** > > 1970 CAL 21 #285**** > > **** > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes:**** > > **** > > With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious > solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you > choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton > being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to > give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. > > The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD > and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a > crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The > solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of > maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks > great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. > > Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. > > /ch**** > > **** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR* > Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc> > theeasyloansite.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc> > **** > > **** > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b381fb4d2c2d8a862st06duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b381fb4d2c2d8a862st06duc> > > >

Well, I wouldn't "keel-haul" any of my fellow CAL-List members over terms.....<GRIN!> I just get confused when someone says one thing, but means another <GRIN!>, silly me! My football fan friends who own boats can't understand why I'm so caught up in proper terminology on boats......but then they look at me funny when I assume that "1st Down" is the first time the ball hits the ground, "2nd Down" is the second......etc. And they really laugh when I talk about a player getting a "Home Run" when he enters the end zone! I better be careful......someone might hit me with a "tiller handle"! (yes.....I am pretty sure that when someone says that they are in fact referring to the TILLER........, but on another list someone kept talking about their tiller falling off, so they tied a lanyard to it........turns out it was the RUDDER that kept falling off) Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:03:56 -0700 Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> writes: Careful, Timm might take some of those ropes he uses on those large traingular sheet like things that make the boat move and hang you up on that tall pole in the front of his boat. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> wrote: Tim, that isn't the ceiling.........I'd like to see how you made the panels fit the CEILING, but you don't show the ceiling in these photos. Your new OVERHEAD does look EXCELLENT though. Rod Johnson On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:23:01 +0000 <ti… [at] ch2m.com> writes: Bathroom fiberglass panel headliner kit, ceiling on Freewind; Cal 9.2. *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-_/) Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:16 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. /ch Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs theeasyloansite.com 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

May your gudgeons be pinteled and your athwartships forever yar. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:32 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Tim, that isn't the ceiling.........I'd like to see how you made the panels fit the CEILING, but you don't show the ceiling in these photos. Your new OVERHEAD does look EXCELLENT though. Rod Johnson On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:23:01 +0000 <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> writes: Bathroom fiberglass panel headliner kit, ceiling on Freewind; Cal 9.2. [Description: cid:im… [at] 01CD0804.FD8A67D0] [Description: cid:im… [at] 01CD0804.FD8A67D0] [Description: cid:im… [at] 01CD0804.FD8A67D0] *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [Description: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:16 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. /ch Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc>theeasyloansite.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc> 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b381fb4d2c2d8a862st06duc>consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b381fb4d2c2d8a862st06duc>

No its simple. The overhead sheets are approx 2 feet wide max and run the length of the cabin. You cut them as needed to address the curve and place the battons accordingly. Its a very nice finish when its done. Being 2 feet wide max, they take the curve of the 29 well and you have approx 6 teak battons running the length of the cabin overhead. So it does make it look rather Herreshoff. I gotta see if I can find a picture somewhere. Found one. /ch. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com>wrote: > ** > > > Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the > hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to > conform to the compound curves. > > I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a > bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several > CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great > idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid > sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word > "ceiling"? > > On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually > the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was > often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside > of the frames. > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > former co-owner of "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes: > > > > With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious > solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you > choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton > being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to > give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. > > The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD > and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a > crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The > solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of > maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks > great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. > > Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. > > /ch > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR* > Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc> > theeasyloansite.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc> -- /ch

My task here is done! I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 PS: None of my boats have had ceilings either.......our CAL 21 was painted on the inside of the hull, my DS II has a sort-of "gelcoat" finish.......not as smooth, but most likely that same "stuff" that CAL/JENSEN used on all our old CALs. Luckily it hasn't started to chip or peel! On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0700 Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> writes: according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ceiling you might. 4 Nautical the inside planking of a ship’s bottom and sides. Allen On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: 1. Now I understand the confusion, between conventional vernacular and wood boat terms. Term:ceiling (n) Definition:The lining or inboard sheathing covering the frames of a wooden boat. Usually ceiling is light planking or slats covering the frames in cabin areas to provide insulation, deaden sound, reduce condensation and provide a more finished appearance. (Lubbers beware: the ceiling is located along the inboard sides of a ship, never overhead.) None of my Cals have ceilings… Sorry. *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-_/) Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Yes, I understand how they fit on the overhead, my question is how to fit them to the ceiling as was mentioned in a previous post. I may need to replace the ceiling on a future boat (if surface is worn out vinyl or moldy cloth) so if some one has found a way to use these panels on the ceiling it might be an idea worth exploring. Fitting sheets of fiberglass/plastic to the overhead is fairly straightforward, with little if any compound curves. However, the ceiling (inside of hull) is almost all compound curves and would be hard to cover with large flat panels unless they are somehow remolded to shape. Everyone has shown fantastic pictures of how they fitted panels to the overhead, but I'm still looking for pictures of how owners have fitted these panels to the ceiling as the original post mentioned. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:21 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: No its simple. The overhead sheets are approx 2 feet wide max and run the length of the cabin. You cut them as needed to address the curve and place the battons accordingly. Its a very nice finish when its done. Being 2 feet wide max, they take the curve of the 29 well and you have approx 6 teak battons running the length of the cabin overhead. So it does make it look rather Herreshoff. I gotta see if I can find a picture somewhere. Found one. /ch. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> wrote: Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. /ch Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs theeasyloansite.com -- /ch 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6b7cbc9422f2db32bcst05duc

On 3/22/2012 3:25 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > > My task here is done! > I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> Otherwise stated, you have contributed to the preservation of nautical traditions. Chris Campbell

Ceiling was installed in cargo ships to protect the hull and cargo. Square riggers used this from 1850 to 1930. It is not the overhead! Words count! My Best, Mike Farrell Santa Cruz 27 Yellow Jack (former owner of 8 cal 20's YES 8 Cal 20's) great grandson of Cape Horn Sailor From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian My task here is done! I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 PS: None of my boats have had ceilings either.......our CAL 21 was painted on the inside of the hull, my DS II has a sort-of "gelcoat" finish.......not as smooth, but most likely that same "stuff" that CAL/JENSEN used on all our old CALs. Luckily it hasn't started to chip or peel! On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0700 Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> writes: >according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ceiling you might. >4 Nautical the inside planking of a ship’s bottom and sides. > > >Allen >On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > >> >>1. Now I understand the confusion, between conventional vernacular and wood boat terms. >> >>Term: ceiling (n) >>Definition: The lining or inboard sheathing covering the frames of a wooden boat. Usually ceiling is light planking or slats covering the frames in cabin areas to provide insulation, deaden sound, reduce condensation and provide a more finished appearance. (Lubbers beware: the ceiling is located along the inboard sides of a ship, never overhead.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >>None of my Cals have ceilings… Sorry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>*´¨) >> ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) >>(¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-_/) >>Timm Lessley >> >>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson >>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:37 PM >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian >> >> >>Yes, I understand how they fit on the overhead, my question is how to fit them to the ceiling as was mentioned in a previous post. I may need to replace the ceiling on a future boat (if surface is worn out vinyl or moldy cloth) so if some one has found a way to use these panels on the ceiling it might be an idea worth exploring. >>Fitting sheets of fiberglass/plastic to the overhead is fairly straightforward, with little if any compound curves. However, the ceiling (inside of hull) is almost all compound curves and would be hard to cover with large flat panels unless they are somehow remolded to shape. Everyone has shown fantastic pictures of how they fitted panels to the overhead, but I'm still looking for pictures of how owners have fitted these panels to the ceiling as the original post mentioned. >> >>Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" >> >>On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:21 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >> >>>No its simple. The overhead sheets are approx 2 feet wide max and run the length of the cabin. You cut them as needed to address the curve and place the battons accordingly. >>> >>>Its a very nice finish when its done. Being 2 feet wide max, they take the curve of the 29 well and you have approx 6 teak battons running the length of the cabin overhead. So it does make it look rather Herreshoff. >>> >>>I gotta see if I can find a picture somewhere. Found one. >>> >>> >>>/ch. >>>On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> wrote: >>> >>>Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. >>> >>>I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? >>> >>>On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. >>> >>>Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" >>>1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 >>>former co-owner of "NODROG" >>>1970 CAL 21 #285 >>> >>>On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>>With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. >>>> >>>>The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. >>>> >>>>Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. >>>> >>>>/ch >>>> >>> >>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>>Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR >>>Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs >>>theeasyloansite.com >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>/ch >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 >>The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried >>consumerproducts.com > ____________________________________________________________53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com

Words count! From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian On 3/22/2012 3:25 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: >My task here is done! >I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> Otherwise stated, you have contributed to the preservation of nautical traditions. Chris Campbell

I have learned something here. There are a couple of misuses of the language running around this thread. Basically I think it best summarized as: You don't install something on the ceiling as the ceiling is the thing that is installed on the hull. So, Timm does not have a ceiling just as he states because he removed his ceiling. And Papoose doesn't have ceilings either even though it has frames and all that other old good wood boat stuff. Allen On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Ceiling was installed in cargo ships to protect the hull and cargo. > Square riggers used this from 1850 to 1930. It is not the overhead! > Words count! > My Best, Mike Farrell Santa Cruz 27 Yellow Jack (former > owner of 8 cal 20's YES 8 Cal 20's) great grandson of Cape Horn Sailor > > *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:25 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian > ** > **** > My task here is done! > I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > former co-owner of "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > PS: None of my boats have had ceilings either.......our CAL 21 was painted > on the inside of the hull, my DS II has a sort-of "gelcoat" > finish.......not as smooth, but most likely that same "stuff" that > CAL/JENSEN used on all our old CALs. Luckily it hasn't started to chip or > peel! > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0700 Allen Edwards < > al… [at] gmail.com> writes: > > > according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ceiling you might. > 4* Nautical* the inside planking of a ship’s bottom and sides. > > Allen**** > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote:** > > ** > > **** > **1. **Now I understand the confusion, between conventional > vernacular and wood boat terms.**** > **** > **** > *Term:***** > ceiling (n)**** > *Definition:***** > The lining or inboard sheathing covering the frames of a wooden boat. > Usually ceiling is light planking or slats covering the frames in cabin > areas to provide insulation, deaden sound, reduce condensation and provide > a more finished appearance. (Lubbers beware: the ceiling is located along > the inboard sides of a ship, never overhead.)**** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > None of my Cals have ceilings… Sorry.**** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > **** > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-*_/)** * **** > *[image: cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70]* > *Timm Lessley* > **** > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rodney G. Johnson > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:37 PM > ***To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com***Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 > - Corinthian**** > **** > **** > Yes, I understand how they fit on the overhead, my question is how to > fit them to the ceiling as was mentioned in a previous post. I may need to > replace the ceiling on a future boat (if surface is worn out vinyl or moldy > cloth) so if some one has found a way to use these panels on the ceiling it > might be an idea worth exploring.**** > Fitting sheets of fiberglass/plastic to the overhead is fairly > straightforward, with little if any compound curves. However, the ceiling > (inside of hull) is almost all compound curves and would be hard to cover > with large flat panels unless they are somehow remolded to shape. Everyone > has shown fantastic pictures of how they fitted panels to the overhead, but > I'm still looking for pictures of how owners have fitted these panels to > the ceiling as the original post mentioned.**** > **** > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** > **** > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:21 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes:**** > > **** > No its simple. The overhead sheets are approx 2 feet wide max and run > the length of the cabin. You cut them as needed to address the curve and > place the battons accordingly. > > Its a very nice finish when its done. Being 2 feet wide max, they take the > curve of the 29 well and you have approx 6 teak battons running the length > of the cabin overhead. So it does make it look rather Herreshoff. > > I gotta see if I can find a picture somewhere. Found one. > > > /ch. **** > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> > wrote:**** > **** > Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of > the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to > conform to the compound curves.**** > **** > I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a > bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several > CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great > idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid > sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word > "ceiling"?**** > **** > On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually > the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was > often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside > of the frames.**** > **** > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"**** > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201**** > former co-owner of "NODROG"**** > 1970 CAL 21 #285**** > **** > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > writes:**** > > **** > With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious > solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you > choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton > being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to > give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. > > The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD > and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a > crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The > solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of > maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks > great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. > > Will see if I can dig up some pictures. Im sure Les has the original pics. > > /ch**** > **** > > **** > **** > ____________________________________________________________ > *Refinance for 2.125%/2.989% APR* > Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b348d11a2f909826st02duc> > theeasyloansite.com**** > > > > -- > /ch > > **** > **** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b718cc9bbf2dacc51st04duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b718cc9bbf2dacc51st04duc> > **** > **** > > ** > > > **** > ****____________________________________________________________***53 > Year Old Mom Looks 33* > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b7cbc9422f2db32bcst05duc> > consumerproducts.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4f6b7cbc9422f2db32bcst05duc> > **** >

Chris: Strange as it may seem, they give boat parts very peculiar names. DEmO: Funny names? Chris: boat names, nautical terms. Now, on the wooden boats we have Who's on first watch, What's on second watch, I Don't Know is on third watch-- DEmO: That's what I want to find out. I want you to tell me the names of the fellows on the boat watches Chris: I'm telling you. Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third-- DEmO: You know the fellows' names? Chris: Yes. DEmO: Well, then who's doing first watch? Chris: Yes. DEmO: I mean the fellow's name on first watch. Chris: Who. DEmO: The fellow doin' first watch. Chris: Who. DEmO: The guy on first watch. Chris: Who is on first. DEmO: Well, what are you askin' me for? Chris: I'm not asking you--I'm telling you. Who is on first watch. DEmO: I'm asking you--who's on first? Chris: That's the man's name. DEmO: That's who's name? Chris: Yes. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ DEmO: When you pay off the first watchman every month, who gets the money? Chris: Every dollar of it. And why not, the man's entitled to it. DEmO: Who is? Chris: Yes. DEmO: So who gets it? Chris: Why shouldn't he? Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it. DEmO: Who's wife? Chris: Yes. After all, the man earns it. DEmO: Who does? Chris: Absolutely. DEmO: Well, all I'm trying to find out is what's the guy's name on first watch? Chris: Oh, no, no. What is on second watch. DEmO: I'm not asking you who's on second. Chris: Who's on first! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ DEmO: The boat has a good Helmsman? Chris: Oh, absolutely. DEmO: The helman's name? Chris: Why. DEmO: I don't know, I just thought I'd ask. Chris: Well, I just thought I'd tell you. DEmO: Then tell me who's the helmsman? Chris: Who's watching first. DEmO: Stay out of the afterguard! The helmsman's name? Chris: Why. DEmO: Because. Chris: Oh, he's afterguard. DEmO: Wait a minute. You got a skipper on this team? Chris: Wouldn't this be a fine team without a skipper? DEmO: Tell me the skipper's name. Chris: Tomorrow. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ DEmO: Now, when the guy at mast makes a call--me being a good catcher--I want to call the guy out at first watch, so I call the command and tell it to who? Chris: Now, that's he first thing you've said right. DEmO: I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! Chris: Don't get excited. Take it easy. DEmO: I make the call to first watch, he hears the command, and passes it to second watch. Who picks up the command and tell it to what. What tells it to I don't know. I don't know tells it back to tomorrow--a perfect tack. Chris: Yeah, it could be. DEmO: Another guy gets the idea to gybe. Chris: Because. DEmO: Why? I don't know. And I don't care. Chris: What was that? DEmO: I said, I DON'T CARE! Chris: Oh, that's our navigator! *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:47 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian I have learned something here. There are a couple of misuses of the language running around this thread. Basically I think it best summarized as: You don't install something on the ceiling as the ceiling is the thing that is installed on the hull. So, Timm does not have a ceiling just as he states because he removed his ceiling. And Papoose doesn't have ceilings either even though it has frames and all that other old good wood boat stuff. Allen On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Ceiling was installed in cargo ships to protect the hull and cargo. Square riggers used this from 1850 to 1930. It is not the overhead! Words count! My Best, Mike Farrell Santa Cruz 27 Yellow Jack (former owner of 8 cal 20's YES 8 Cal 20's) great grandson of Cape Horn Sailor From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com<mailto:rj… [at] juno.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian My task here is done! I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 PS: None of my boats have had ceilings either.......our CAL 21 was painted on the inside of the hull, my DS II has a sort-of "gelcoat" finish.......not as smooth, but most likely that same "stuff" that CAL/JENSEN used on all our old CALs. Luckily it hasn't started to chip or peel! On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0700 Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> writes: according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ceiling you might. 4 Nautical the inside planking of a ship's bottom and sides. Allen On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: 1. Now I understand the confusion, between conventional vernacular and wood boat terms. [cid:image002.jpg@01CD0857.45C99C30] Term: ceiling (n) Definition: The lining or inboard sheathing covering the frames of a wooden boat. Usually ceiling is light planking or slats covering the frames in cabin areas to provide insulation, deaden sound, reduce condensation and provide a more finished appearance. (Lubbers beware: the ceiling is located along the inboard sides of a ship, never overhead.) None of my Cals have ceilings... Sorry. *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rodney G. Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian Yes, I understand how they fit on the overhead, my question is how to fit them to the ceiling as was mentioned in a previous post. I may need to replace the ceiling on a future boat (if surface is worn out vinyl or moldy cloth) so if some one has found a way to use these panels on the ceiling it might be an idea worth exploring. Fitting sheets of fiberglass/plastic to the overhead is fairly straightforward, with little if any compound curves. However, the ceiling (inside of hull) is almost all compound curves and would be hard to cover with large flat panels unless they are somehow remolded to shape. Everyone has shown fantastic pictures of how they fitted panels to the overhead, but I'm still looking for pictures of how owners have fitted these panels to the ceiling as the original post mentioned. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:21 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: No its simple. The overhead sheets are approx 2 feet wide max and run the length of the cabin. You cut them as needed to address the curve and place the battons accordingly. Its a very nice finish when its done. Being 2 feet wide max, they take the curve of the 29 well and you have approx 6 teak battons running the length of the cabin overhead. So it does make it look rather Herreshoff. I gotta see if I can find a picture somewhere. Found one. /ch. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com<mailto:rj… [at] juno.com>> wrote: Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the word "ceiling"? On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx 3/4" wide. The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting available from HD and typically used to line commercial bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free with no sags. Will see if I can dig up some pictures. 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Allen, is the batten set-up (if you had it) collectively a ceiling, or is each batten a ceiling. Was just wondering due to your use of the word "ceilings" Must be Thursday night. By the way Last night was amazing. It was very clear and temperate here in Annapolis. Stars really bright. No wind so no waves on the river (Severn River a mile or so up from the Naval Academy). The reflections of the lights from across the river were striking. I just wanted Reggie to see this while he swats flies. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:47 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian I have learned something here. There are a couple of misuses of the language running around this thread. Basically I think it best summarized as: You don't install something on the ceiling as the ceiling is the thing that is installed on the hull. So, Timm does not have a ceiling just as he states because he removed his ceiling. And Papoose doesn't have ceilings either even though it has frames and all that other old good wood boat stuff. Allen On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Ceiling was installed in cargo ships to protect the hull and cargo. Square riggers used this from 1850 to 1930. It is not the overhead! Words count! My Best, Mike Farrell Santa Cruz 27 Yellow Jack (former owner of 8 cal 20's YES 8 Cal 20's) great grandson of Cape Horn Sailor

I actually do have one ceiling on Papoose now that I think of it. It is in the storage area under the starboard quarter berth. It is made of a series of battens. There is probably a name for that storage area... Some L-36's also have ceilings in the quarter berths themselves. See, multiple locations for a ceiling becomes ceilings. Allen On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > Allen, is the batten set-up (if you had it) collectively a ceiling, or > is each batten a ceiling. Was just wondering due to your use of the word > “ceilings”**** > > ** ** > > Must be Thursday night.**** > > ** ** > > By the way Last night was amazing. It was very clear and temperate here > in Annapolis. Stars really bright. No wind so no waves on the river > (Severn River a mile or so up from the Naval Academy). The reflections of > the lights from across the river were striking. I just wanted Reggie to > see this while he swats flies.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Charlie**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:47 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian**** > > ** ** > > > > I have learned something here. There are a couple of misuses of the > language running around this thread. **** > > ** ** > > Basically I think it best summarized as: You don't install something on > the ceiling as the ceiling is the thing that is installed on the hull. > > So, Timm does not have a ceiling just as he states because he removed his > ceiling. And Papoose doesn't have ceilings either even though it has > frames and all that other old good wood boat stuff.**** > > > Allen**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > wrote:**** > > Ceiling was installed in cargo ships to protect the hull and cargo. > Square riggers used this from 1850 to 1930. It is not the overhead! Words > count!**** > > My Best, Mike Farrell Santa Cruz 27 Yellow Jack (former > owner of 8 cal 20's YES 8 Cal 20's) great grandson of Cape Horn Sailor*** > * > > ** ** > > >

On 3/22/2012 8:12 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > Chris: Strange as it may seem, they give boat parts very peculiar names. > > DEmO: Funny names? > > Chris: boat names, nautical terms. Now, on the wooden boats we have > Who's on first watch, What's on second watch, I Don't Know is on third > watch-- > > DEmO: That's what I want to find out. I want you to tell me the names > of the fellows on the boat watches > > Chris: I'm telling you. Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know > is on third-- > Problem is, we don't even know who Chris is on this list unless we're very careful. Chris Campbell variety in Michigan > > DEmO: You know the fellows' names? > > Chris: Yes. > > DEmO: Well, then who's doing first watch? > > Chris: Yes. > > DEmO: I mean the fellow's name on first watch. > > Chris: Who. > > DEmO: The fellow doin' first watch. > > Chris: Who. > > DEmO: The guy on first watch. > > Chris: Who is on first. > > DEmO: Well, what are you askin' me for? > > Chris: I'm not asking you--I'm telling you. Who is on first watch. > > DEmO: I'm asking you--who's on first? > > Chris: That's the man's name. > > DEmO: That's who's name? > > Chris: Yes. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > DEmO: When you pay off the first watchman every month, who gets the money? > > Chris: Every dollar of it. And why not, the man's entitled to it. > > DEmO: Who is? > > Chris: Yes. > > DEmO: So who gets it? > > Chris: Why shouldn't he? Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it. > > DEmO: Who's wife? > > Chris: Yes. After all, the man earns it. > > DEmO: Who does? > > Chris: Absolutely. > > DEmO: Well, all I'm trying to find out is what's the guy's name on > first watch? > > Chris: Oh, no, no. What is on second watch. > > DEmO: I'm not asking you who's on second. > > Chris: Who's on first! > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > DEmO: The boat has a good Helmsman? > > Chris: Oh, absolutely. > > DEmO: The helman's name? > > Chris: Why. > > DEmO: I don't know, I just thought I'd ask. > > Chris: Well, I just thought I'd tell you. > > DEmO: Then tell me who's the helmsman? > > Chris: Who's watching first. > > DEmO: Stay out of the afterguard! The helmsman's name? > > Chris: Why. > > DEmO: Because. > > Chris: Oh, he's afterguard. > > DEmO: Wait a minute. You got a skipper on this team? > > Chris: Wouldn't this be a fine team without a skipper? > > DEmO: Tell me the skipper's name. > > Chris: Tomorrow. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > DEmO: Now, when the guy at mast makes a call--me being a good > catcher--I want to call the guy out at first watch, so I call the > command and tell it to who? > > Chris: Now, that's he first thing you've said right. > > DEmO: I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! > > Chris: Don't get excited. Take it easy. > > DEmO: I make the call to first watch, he hears the command, and passes > it to second watch. Who picks up the command and tell it to what. What > tells it to I don't know. I don't know tells it back to tomorrow--a > perfect tack. > > Chris: Yeah, it could be. > > DEmO: Another guy gets the idea to gybe. > > Chris: Because. > > DEmO: Why? I don't know. And I don't care. > > Chris: What was that? > > DEmO: I said, I DON'T CARE! > > Chris: Oh, that's our navigator! > > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-*/_/)/** * > > *cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70* > > *dEmO* > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:47 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian > > I have learned something here. There are a couple of misuses of the > language running around this thread. > > Basically I think it best summarized as: You don't install something > on the ceiling as the ceiling is the thing that is installed on the hull. > > So, Timm does not have a ceiling just as he states because he removed > his ceiling. And Papoose doesn't have ceilings either even though it > has frames and all that other old good wood boat stuff. > > > Allen > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > Ceiling was installed in cargo ships to protect the hull and > cargo. Square riggers used this from 1850 to 1930. It is not the > overhead! Words count! > > My Best, Mike Farrell Santa Cruz 27 Yellow Jack (former > owner of 8 cal 20's YES 8 Cal 20's) great grandson of Cape Horn Sailor > > *From:* Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com > <mailto:rj… [at] juno.com>> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:25 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 - Corinthian > > My task here is done! > > I have enlightened the masses...... <GRIN!!> > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > > former co-owner of "NODROG" > > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > PS: None of my boats have had ceilings either.......our CAL 21 was > painted on the inside of the hull, my DS II has a sort-of "gelcoat" > finish.......not as smooth, but most likely that same "stuff" that > CAL/JENSEN used on all our old CALs. Luckily it hasn't started to chip > or peel! > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0700 Allen Edwards > <al… [at] gmail.com <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> writes: > > according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ceiling you > might. > > *4*/ Nautical/ the inside planking of a ship's bottom and sides. > > Allen > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com > <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: > > 1. Now I understand the confusion, between conventional vernacular > and wood boat terms. > > *Term:* > > > > ceiling (n) > > *Definition:* > > > > The lining or inboard sheathing covering the frames of a wooden > boat. Usually ceiling is light planking or slats covering the > frames in cabin areas to provide insulation, deaden sound, reduce > condensation and provide a more finished appearance. (Lubbers > beware: the ceiling is located along the inboard sides of a ship, > never overhead.) > > None of my Cals have ceilings... Sorry. > > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-*/_/)/** * > > *cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70* > > *Timm Lessley* > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rodney G. Johnson > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:37 PM > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>*Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: > Cal 39 - Corinthian > > Yes, I understand how they fit on the overhead, my question is how > to fit them to the ceiling as was mentioned in a previous post. I > may need to replace the ceiling on a future boat (if surface is > worn out vinyl or moldy cloth) so if some one has found a way to > use these panels on the ceiling it might be an idea worth exploring. > > Fitting sheets of fiberglass/plastic to the overhead is fairly > straightforward, with little if any compound curves. However, the > ceiling (inside of hull) is almost all compound curves and would > be hard to cover with large flat panels unless they are somehow > remolded to shape. Everyone has shown fantastic pictures of how > they fitted panels to the overhead, but I'm still looking for > pictures of how owners have fitted these panels to the ceiling as > the original post mentioned. > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:21 -0400 chris123 > <ch… [at] gmail.com <mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> > writes: > > No its simple. The overhead sheets are approx 2 feet wide max > and run the length of the cabin. You cut them as needed to > address the curve and place the battons accordingly. > > Its a very nice finish when its done. Being 2 feet wide max, > they take the curve of the 29 well and you have approx 6 teak > battons running the length of the cabin overhead. So it does > make it look rather Herreshoff. > > I gotta see if I can find a picture somewhere. Found one. > > > /ch. > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rodney G. Johnson > <rj… [at] juno.com <mailto:rj… [at] juno.com>> wrote: > > Isn't it hard to make sheets of plastic conform to the inside > shape of the hull? Usually strips are used for the ceiling on > a boat, much easier to conform to the compound curves. > > I could see using plastic sheets (like what is used on the > walls of a bathroom or shower stall) to cover the overhead, > and have heard of several CAL owners doing that with great > success. That sounds like a great idea....but lining the > ceiling just seems too complicated with semi-rigid sheets of > material. Did you mean to say "overhead" when you used the > word "ceiling"? > > On a boat, the headliner covers the overhead, the "ceiling" is > actually the name given to the lining of the hull sides. On a > wooden boat is was often wood strips (usually cedar or pine) > laid fore and aft on the inside of the frames. > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > > former co-owner of "NODROG" > > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:31:51 -0400 chris123 > <ch… [at] gmail.com > <mailto:ch… [at] gmail.com>> writes: > > With respect to head liner options, Les Hester build a > rather ingenious solution. Its very simple. Line the > ceiling with batons of wood of you choice running the > length of the boat and appropriately spaced. Each baton > being approx 11/2" wide. Then run a suitable teak baton > down the middle to give you that nice teak look approx > 3/4" wide. > > The panels are made of commercial grade plastic sheeting > available from HD and typically used to line commercial > bathrooms. Its white and has a crinkle texture. These are > cut to shape and attached with velcro. The solution not > only looks good but is very easy to remove to do any kind > of maintenance. The velcro needs to be replaced every few > years. It looks great and is basically maintenance free > with no sags. > > Will see if I can dig up some pictures. 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Names were changed to protect the innocent. Problem is, we don't even know who Chris is on this list unless we're very careful. Chris Campbell variety in Michigan *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley

I always thought dyslexia just had to do with numbers and words but I was mountain biking with a friend of a friend and was told that sometimes he'd take the wrong fork in the trail when told to go left or right and he teache s school !! One simple way we teach port and starboard is the both "left" and "port" have 4 letters. As far as clockwise and counter clockwise that is getting harder as digital watches are becoming so much more prevalent with young kids. Paul In a message dated 3/23/2012 11:28:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, al… [at] gmail.com writes: Chris, that is actually interesting. I never ever wrap a winch backward although I have crew that has sailed to the South Pacific and back that does. I never get left and right wrong but even after 23 years I have to have signs on the boat to identify Port and Starboard. At least you can label the port and starboard sides of a boat as, like you say, they are places and not directions so don't change when you turn around. Even trying to remember that you get on the boat from the port side doesn't seem to help. Perhaps it is too many years of sailing with people who know know a sheet from a light blanket or think a line is something you use in a bar. I am told that on the large Coast Guard ships that they have large signs with arrows pointing out which direction is left and which is right. When I heard that, I made my signs for port and starboard without feeling so stupid. By the way, is it always the port winch that you get backward? Allen On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Chris Campbell <_c… [at] lsnm.org_ (mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org) > wrote: On 3/22/2012 6:38 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: Chris, for us (we) old sea dogs, I fully agree. For the majority of the people that show up on my boat, I am happy if they remember when we are on starboard tack, can wrap the winch in the correct direction, and know what a boom vang is. I will confess that after many years of wrapping winches, I sometimes get CW and CCW confused. But then I tend to get right and left confused (often), while usually doing better with port & starboard. Those are places, not directions. Chris Campbell

Allen, my Dad always taught me that the tradition was that the owner boarded the vessel on the Starboard side (when moored/anchored) when boarding from the tender/dinghy/launch. and I guess it would follow that the "hired crew" would board over the port side. I know that for 47 years I've always boarded our boats on the Starboard side, and every time that I've gone out to a boat using a yacht club or marina launch, they have always come alongside to take on/discharge passengers on the Starboard side of the moored vessel. "Different strokes for different folks" Could be an East Coast vs West Coast thing? OH, and don't feel bad about using a reminder about Port and Starboard, I have a label on each of our boats listing the whistle signals......so few people use them (even when required!) that even I forget the proper signals and need the reminder! I have labels on my mast for the main and jib halyards, a label near the centerboard up/down line cleat to identify it, and a label for the boom vang cleat, mostly to assist any guests..... since I know what the function of these lines are.....but still the labels are there! Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:27:56 -0700 Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> writes: Even trying to remember that you get on the boat from the port side doesn't seem to help. Perhaps it is too many years of sailing with people who know know a sheet from a light blanket or think a line is something you use in a bar. I am told that on the large Coast Guard ships that they have large signs with arrows pointing out which direction is left and which is right. When I heard that, I made my signs for port and starboard without feeling so stupid. By the way, is it always the port winch that you get backward? Allen Groupon&#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6ca10dd77ae2e43c6dst06duc

On 3/23/2012 11:52 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > One simple way we teach port and starboard is the both "left" and > "port" have 4 letters. You still have to remember where left is. I find it easier just to know that port is that side of the boat over there--a location, not a direction. One of the very famous Great Lakes shipwrecks happened when the boat had an old-fashioned steering linkage that required turning the wheel to port to make the boat turn to starboard. Two fleet mates were passing, close by to exchange newspapers and such, and were coming too close. The captain shouted "hard starboard" to the wheelman and it was misunderstood, resulting in great loss. You can read about it briefly here: > http://thunderbay.noaa.gov/shipwrecks/vesseldata.html Scroll down to "Pewabic." This is a site provided by our Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary, basically a national park for shipwrecks in Lake Huron's Thunder Bay area. Also read here: > http://www.us23heritageroute.org/alpena.asp?ait=av&aid=4313 Chris Campbell

On 3/23/2012 12:11 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > > Allen, my Dad always taught me that the tradition was that the owner > boarded the vessel on the Starboard side (when moored/anchored) when > boarding from the tender/dinghy/launch. and I guess it would follow > that the "hired crew" would board over the port side. I know that for > 47 years I've always boarded our boats on the Starboard side, and > every time that I've gone out to a boat using a yacht club or marina > launch, they have always come alongside to take on/discharge > passengers on the Starboard side of the moored vessel. Our schooner always (well, whenever possible) moors port-side-to at piers and walls. Maybe that's because it's a commercial vessel, not a yacht, and we're all crew. Chris Campbell

The story I heard is that boats had these huge boards on the right side before they had keels. I sailed a dingy that was set up that way but can't remember what the boards were called. I guess they called them star boards or something similar. You could not tie up on that side so you had to tie up to port on the left side of the boat. Thus, starboard and port became sides of the boat. My boat has the opening in the lifeline on the port side. Allen On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > ** On 3/23/2012 12:11 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > > > > Allen, my Dad always taught me that the tradition was that the owner > boarded the vessel on the Starboard side (when moored/anchored) when > boarding from the tender/dinghy/launch. and I guess it would follow that > the "hired crew" would board over the port side. I know that for 47 years > I've always boarded our boats on the Starboard side, and every time that > I've gone out to a boat using a yacht club or marina launch, they have > always come alongside to take on/discharge passengers on the Starboard side > of the moored vessel. > > > Our schooner always (well, whenever possible) moors port-side-to at piers > and walls. Maybe that's because it's a commercial vessel, not a yacht, and > we're all crew. > > Chris Campbell > > >

On 3/23/2012 12:53 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > The story I heard is that boats had these huge boards on the right > side before they had keels. I sailed a dingy that was set up that way > but can't remember what the boards were called. I guess they called > them star boards or something similar. You could not tie up on that > side so you had to tie up to port on the left side of the boat. Thus, > starboard and port became sides of the boat. My boat has the opening > in the lifeline on the port side. > Mine has the opening on the side that faces the pier in my marina slip. In my old slip, it was on the starboard side. Then I moved and it's on port, so I switched the lifelines side-for-side. There's some talk about "starboard" being derived from "steering board," an early approach to a rudder, like a steerable leeboard. My unabridged dictionary cites that derivation, referring to a steering oar on the right side of the boat. But in the old days port as "larboard." I'm always suspicious of etymologies that seem too pat. Remember the whole "brass monkey" mess that goes around the internet every couple years. Chris Campbell > >

Allen, You are close....but not quite correct. Those large "boards" that you speak of were "Leeboards" used on old Dutch ships that were sailed on shallow bays and canals. and possibly then out to sea. They gave the shoal draft of a centerboard but did not take up room inside the hull better used for cargo. The boards that would have led to the Starboard name were on the old Viking Ships (and perhaps other double-ended vessels of that vintage). They did not use a rudder, per se..but instead had a "Steering Board" mounted to the side that acted as a rudder. Since they did not want to damage the steering board (aka: side mounted rudder) which was generally mounted to the right side of the vessel (supposedly, this was due to most steersmen being right-handed?), they would lay the left side of the vessel against the wharf. The cargo was loaded/offloaded over a gangplank known as the "load Board"........ well, you know how we sailors always shorten common terms, so Load Board became "Larboard", and the side against the wharf was often referred to as the Larboard side....since that was the side that the load board was used on.... With the steering board on the other side....that side became the Starboard (short for Steering board?), This was fine...except it became too hard to distinguish "Larboard" from "Starboard" in a heavy, Scandinavian accent, so someone suggested that since the larboard side was against the wharf while in port.....why not call that side "PORT" instead. Well ,it makes a great story.......who really knows how much of that legend is true? and Chris C., the tradition of boarding the owner over the starboard side and crew over the port side applies when on a mooring or anchored. Unless in a slip (and even then it isn't always possible to have access for boarding on both sides), everyone would board on what ever side was against the wharf. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:53:41 -0700 Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> writes: The story I heard is that boats had these huge boards on the right side before they had keels. I sailed a dingy that was set up that way but can't remember what the boards were called. I guess they called them star boards or something similar. You could not tie up on that side so you had to tie up to port on the left side of the boat. Thus, starboard and port became sides of the boat. My boat has the opening in the lifeline on the port side. Allen On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: On 3/23/2012 12:11 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: Allen, my Dad always taught me that the tradition was that the owner boarded the vessel on the Starboard side (when moored/anchored) when boarding from the tender/dinghy/launch. and I guess it would follow that the "hired crew" would board over the port side. I know that for 47 years I've always boarded our boats on the Starboard side, and every time that I've gone out to a boat using a yacht club or marina launch, they have always come alongside to take on/discharge passengers on the Starboard side of the moored vessel. Our schooner always (well, whenever possible) moors port-side-to at piers and walls. Maybe that's because it's a commercial vessel, not a yacht, and we're all crew. Chris Campbell 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6cbbf0ad10a2f4c546st01duc

We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does anyone recall who that was? Dick Dozier "Pantera " Cal 40 # 110

When I repaired mine last year I brought it to a good auto upholsterer and he did everything from new clear windows to re-sewing the zippers in place. He knew he could get the fabric from Sun Brella but I would have told him anyway. You have to have a substantial sewing machine to do the job correctly. It st ands quite proud now. Marc Gottlieb '71 Cal 2 30 "Lady Joy II" Tel: 706.294.4344 E-mail: mg… [at] comcast.net From: "Richard Dozier" <dd… [at] frontier.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:56:51 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sumbrella We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does anyone recall who that was? Dick Dozier "Pantera " Cal 40 # 110

My 100 year old sewing machine can do that kind of job but I would agree that most modern ones are not up to it. Allen On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM, <mg… [at] comcast.net> wrote: > ** > > > When I repaired mine last year I brought it to a good auto upholsterer and > he did everything from new clear windows to re-sewing the zippers in place. > He knew he could get the fabric from Sun Brella but I would have told him > anyway. You have to have a substantial sewing machine to do the job > correctly. It stands quite proud now. > > *Marc Gottlieb* > *'71 Cal 2 30 "Lady Joy II" > Tel: 706.294.4344 > E-mail: mg… [at] comcast.net > * > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Richard Dozier" <dd… [at] frontier.com> > *To: *"Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent: *Friday, March 23, 2012 3:56:51 PM > *Subject: *[Cal_Boats] Re: Sumbrella > > > > We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, > someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does > anyone recall who that was? > > Dick > Dozier > "Pantera > " Cal 40 # 110 > > >

Sailrite? From: "Richard Dozier" <dd… [at] frontier.com<mailto:dd… [at] frontier.com>> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:56:51 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sumbrella We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does anyone recall who that was? Dick Dozier "Pantera " Cal 40 # 110

My wife is an Interior Designer and she checked my Sailnet prices on Sunbrella against her wholesale sources and there was very little markup. Very good prices and good customer service. Just a happy customer, YMMV. Wilkie On Mar 23, 2012, at 3:25 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Sailrite? From: "Richard Dozier" <dd… [at] frontier.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:56:51 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sumbrella We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does anyone recall who that was? Dick Dozier "Pantera " Cal 40 # 110

Sailrite http://www.sailrite.com/ Terry On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Richard Dozier wrote: > We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, > someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does > anyone recall who that was? > > Dick > Dozier > "Pantera > " Cal 40 # 110 >

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May sound silly, but if you want to use Sunbrella, which is a good product, contact them direct or call a local Marine/Auto Upholstery shop and get a quote. http://www.sunbrella.com/ You can use that to find an 'official' sales rep near you. As Marc stated, it is not a simple cotton textile, it is some heavy duty almost tent canvas material, so use an industrial machine to work with it. JLC --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, mgottlieb01@... wrote: > > When I repaired mine last year I brought it to a good auto upholsterer and he did everything from new clear windows to re-sewing the zippers in place. He knew he could get the fabric from Sun Brella but I would have told him anyway. You have to have a substantial sewing machine to do the job correctly. It st ands quite proud now. > > > > > Marc Gottlieb > '71 Cal 2 30 "Lady Joy II" > Tel: 706.294.4344 > E-mail:  mgottlieb01@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Dozier" <ddozier2@...> > To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:56:51 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sumbrella > >  > > > > > We're in the process of repairing our dodger, and as I remember, > someone on the list seemed to be a good source for sumbrella. Does > anyone recall who that was? > > Dick > Dozier > "Pantera > " Cal 40 # 110 >