Re: [Cal_Boats] Allen? is this your machine? -- Timm

Timm, Not even close but thanks for thinking of me. There are a few that are close. http://www.velocitek.com/ http://www.rockcitymarine.com/RBplus.html http://www.nova-sail.com/html/home.html But none that have everything I want and in fact none that have the function we use the most now called "turn" on Garmin. These all do have some distance to the line functions but without the fancy translation of that to time unless you are heading to the line. What I want is simple (?) 1) the 'turn" function so you know both where to steer the boat on a reach and when to tack on a beat or gybe on a run. 2) Time to the line based on distance and some entered or measured translation that takes into account how fast the boat will go, how long it takes to turn, and how long it takes to get up to speed. These could be as simple as a few stored profiles or the calibration run I described earlier. Basically a stored table that says that when you are x distance from the line, start your run to the line at y minutes and knows how to change y for various values of x. If a box did the turn and distance to the line, I could print a table that does the calibration and that would be close enough that I would buy one. That said, maybe I should make my tactician do the subtraction and calculate the direction to the line that would be the layline and we tack on that. Then I could just get one of the units above, one that has waypoints. Have your Garmin guy come visit me and I will tell him what he should build :-) Allen On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > ** > > > [image: http://www.thesailinggps.com/TheSailingGPS.jpg]**** > > ** ** > > The Sailing GPS is unique in realizing that sailboats often zig-zag to > their destination, which affects the distance and travel time. If standard > GPS chartplotters don't know how far your tacking route is, how can they > calculate the ETA correctly? Fortunately, The Sailing GPS solves this > problem. It accounts for sailboat tacking when calculating optimal routes, > distances and Tacking Time to Destination.**** > > Easy to use. Viewable in direct sunlight. Sturdy case with no glass > screen -- just drop it in your boat bag and go. **** > > For sailors, the best GPS that money can buy. $399 US. Quantities are > limited. *Order here* <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Order.html>.**** > > ** ** > > Features <http://www.thesailinggps.com/features.html> | How Does It Work?<http://www.thesailinggps.com/howitworks.html>| YouTube > Demos <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Instructions.html> | Media<http://www.thesailinggps.com/Media.html>| > Warranty <http://www.thesailinggps.com/warranty.html> | SailTimer Wind > Vane accessory <http://www.SailTimerWindVane.com> | Corporate Background<http://www.thesailinggps.com/corporate.html>| > Email <in… [at] SailTimerinc.com> | Home**** > > ** ** > > >

Allen, Interesting article from Sailing scuttlebutt news letter. See "Starting Drill" down about mid page. http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/archived_Detail.asp?key=4911 it sounds like "seat of the pants" starts may be more successful than trying to beat the clock Discuss amongst yourselves and lets compare notes John R Cal 33 (not a avid racer so, I can't offer experienced opinions) From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:22 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Allen? is this your machine? -- Timm Timm, Not even close but thanks for thinking of me. There are a few that are close. http://www.velocitek.com/ http://www.rockcitymarine.com/RBplus.html http://www.nova-sail.com/html/home.html But none that have everything I want and in fact none that have the function we use the most now called "turn" on Garmin. These all do have some distance to the line functions but without the fancy translation of that to time unless you are heading to the line. What I want is simple (?) 1) the 'turn" function so you know both where to steer the boat on a reach and when to tack on a beat or gybe on a run. 2) Time to the line based on distance and some entered or measured translation that takes into account how fast the boat will go, how long it takes to turn, and how long it takes to get up to speed. These could be as simple as a few stored profiles or the calibration run I described earlier. Basically a stored table that says that when you are x distance from the line, start your run to the line at y minutes and knows how to change y for various values of x. If a box did the turn and distance to the line, I could print a table that does the calibration and that would be close enough that I would buy one. That said, maybe I should make my tactician do the subtraction and calculate the direction to the line that would be the layline and we tack on that. Then I could just get one of the units above, one that has waypoints. Have your Garmin guy come visit me and I will tell him what he should build :-) Allen On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: http://www.thesailinggps.com/TheSailingGPS.jpg The Sailing GPS is unique in realizing that sailboats often zig-zag to their destination, which affects the distance and travel time. If standard GPS chartplotters don't know how far your tacking route is, how can they calculate the ETA correctly? Fortunately, The Sailing GPS solves this problem. It accounts for sailboat tacking when calculating optimal routes, distances and Tacking Time to Destination. Easy to use. Viewable in direct sunlight. Sturdy case with no glass screen -- just drop it in your boat bag and go. For sailors, the best GPS that money can buy. $399 US. Quantities are limited. <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Order.html> Order here. Features <http://www.thesailinggps.com/features.html> | How Does It Work? <http://www.thesailinggps.com/howitworks.html> | YouTube Demos <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Instructions.html> | Media <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Media.html> | Warranty <http://www.thesailinggps.com/warranty.html> | SailTimer Wind Vane accessory <http://www.SailTimerWindVane.com> | Corporate Background <http://www.thesailinggps.com/corporate.html> | Email <mailto:in… [at] SailTimerinc.com> | Home

That is an interesting article and there is a lot to be said for just getting to the line at the same time as the people you are racing against. If you are early, chances are there will be a recall as everyone was over early. But let me relay my last race start. We got to the line and were even with the other boats in our class. In fact, we were right between two boats, about 6 inches between our spreaders and both the spreaders to our port and starboard. We all crossed the line together. I was unable to push the boat that was to weather of us over because they were a big 100 year old boat and just would not point higher. So there we were all right there at the start. Just like the article says. All boats starting at the same time -- more than a minute late. We all misjudged the current. If I had my little GPS gadget that would have told me when to start toward the line, I would have had a minute head start on the other boats. One of the issues with so many of these casual race starts is that everyone reaches down the line for the start. A serious racer would just come in on a beat and push them over the line early. But it just isn't worth the risk of a collision. I prefer to start on the line where there are not other boats and for that I can't rely on what the article says. Anyone else have this problem? The problem with beer can bargers? Racing against people who don't know the rules? BTW, here is a very short writeup of the rules that matter http://l-36.com/read_html.php?file=rules&text1=rules_intro&title=When%20Boats%20Meet&image1=crash&image2=Sit Allen On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:30 PM, john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> wrote: > ** > > > Allen,**** > > ** ** > > Interesting article from Sailing scuttlebutt news letter.**** > > ** ** > > See “Starting Drill” down about mid page.**** > > ** ** > > http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/archived_Detail.asp?key=4911**** > > ** ** > > it sounds like “seat of the pants” starts may be more successful than > trying to beat the clock**** > > ** ** > > Discuss amongst yourselves and lets compare notes**** > > ** ** > > John R**** > > Cal 33**** > > (not a avid racer so, I can’t offer experienced opinions)**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:22 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Allen? is this your machine? -- Timm**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Timm,**** > > ** ** > > Not even close but thanks for thinking of me. There are a few that are > close.**** > > http://www.velocitek.com/ **** > > http://www.rockcitymarine.com/RBplus.html **** > > http://www.nova-sail.com/html/home.html **** > > ** ** > > But none that have everything I want and in fact none that have the > function we use the most now called "turn" on Garmin. These all do have > some distance to the line functions but without the fancy translation of > that to time unless you are heading to the line.**** > > ** ** > > What I want is simple (?)**** > > 1) the 'turn" function so you know both where to steer the boat on a reach > and when to tack on a beat or gybe on a run.**** > > 2) Time to the line based on distance and some entered or measured > translation that takes into account how fast the boat will go, how long it > takes to turn, and how long it takes to get up to speed. These could be as > simple as a few stored profiles or the calibration run I described earlier. > Basically a stored table that says that when you are x distance from the > line, start your run to the line at y minutes and knows how to change y for > various values of x. **** > > ** ** > > If a box did the turn and distance to the line, I could print a table that > does the calibration and that would be close enough that I would buy one.* > *** > > ** ** > > That said, maybe I should make my tactician do the subtraction and > calculate the direction to the line that would be the layline and we tack > on that. Then I could just get one of the units above, one that has > waypoints.**** > > ** ** > > Have your Garmin guy come visit me and I will tell him what he should > build :-) **** > > ** ** > > Allen**** > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote:**** > > **** > > [image: http://www.thesailinggps.com/TheSailingGPS.jpg]**** > > **** > > The Sailing GPS is unique in realizing that sailboats often zig-zag to > their destination, which affects the distance and travel time. If standard > GPS chartplotters don't know how far your tacking route is, how can they > calculate the ETA correctly? Fortunately, The Sailing GPS solves this > problem. It accounts for sailboat tacking when calculating optimal routes, > distances and Tacking Time to Destination.**** > > Easy to use. Viewable in direct sunlight. Sturdy case with no glass > screen -- just drop it in your boat bag and go. **** > > For sailors, the best GPS that money can buy. $399 US. Quantities are > limited. *Order here* <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Order.html>.**** > > **** > > Features <http://www.thesailinggps.com/features.html> | How Does It Work?<http://www.thesailinggps.com/howitworks.html>| YouTube > Demos <http://www.thesailinggps.com/Instructions.html> | Media<http://www.thesailinggps.com/Media.html>| > Warranty <http://www.thesailinggps.com/warranty.html> | SailTimer Wind > Vane accessory <http://www.SailTimerWindVane.com> | Corporate Background<http://www.thesailinggps.com/corporate.html>| > Email <in… [at] SailTimerinc.com> | Home**** > > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > >