RE: Cal-25 spreader bracket was RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: New Mast Tangs for Cal 30

I agree. I was just considering what could be done if dropping the mast wasn't an option. However, as you wouldn't be going above the spreader bracket, I don't think the weight would appreciably stretch those lines. Unless you have very stretchy line, of course. I would be more concerned about the mast bend in the middle as was mentioned even though our sticks are stout as tree trunks compared to other boats. They still don't like side loads. -- "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Hi, Mike. As far as holding the mast up goes, I would be concerned because standard lines (which most of us have) will stretch. Changing a a stay or shroud by just a few inches is a big difference. It is a positive feedback system. (The worse it gets, the worse it gets.) Suppose I am using the spin hal for a shroud, and the mast starts to move away from it. More stress, more stretch, and more stress and more stretch. Better to drop the stick (as someone else suggested). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike McElhaney Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Cal-25 spreader bracket was RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: New Mast Tangs for Cal 30 Charlie, I had one of those throughbolts on the uppers fail during a race and my rig toppled over. Nobody was hurt but the mast bent when it hit the water. I am a rare guy fortunate enough to have a girlfriend that just happened to have a spare cal-25 mast in her backyard. Upon inspection of the bolt which landed on deck, it had a stress fracture that had been slowly separating over the years. Replacing yours while doing the bracket swap would be some cheap insurance. As for replacing the bracket with the stick up, do you think running your spin halyard to one side, the jib halyard to the other and hoisting yourself on the main would work? Your fore an backstays are still attached, right? Still a dicey situation but I think it could be done. Dropping the stick would still be safest. Nose up to a buddy with a taller stick to use his halyards and set out a couple cases of beer to entice helpers and you could have it all done in an afternoon. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:16:53 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: New Mast Tangs for Cal 30 Jerry, you should write a manual for boat repair – with photos. Each photo should have circles and arrows with a paragraph on the back of each one to be used as evidence against you. You are exact opposite of the people who contact me asking for a CAL 25 parts list. I love it. I go to the HD and say “I want a piece of aluminum (or other material) shaped like this (contort my hands to a shape)”. They say “What’s it for?” I say “Doesn’t matter, but it has to be shaped like this (contort my hands).” Sometimes I get what I’m looking for. BTW, on some/most/all CAL 25s (or is it Cal 25s?), I have noticed that the through bolts holding the tangs have peened nuts. This explains the removal difficulty. While I’m rambling, here is an interesting conundrum. On the 25, there is a through bolt in the mast at the half way point that holds the tangs for the lower shrouds. The same bolt also goes through the lower holes on the spreader brackets. Therefore, if one wants to remove a spreader bracket, one has to remove the lower shrouds, and take away the support for the upper shrouds. This creates a mathematically interesting problem in how the mast is held up. Only way I’ve seen to replace a bracket is to take the mast down. Don’t know if other models are similarly constructed. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:07 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: New Mast Tangs for Cal 30 I bet Gaurhaeur (sp?) the folks that make nifty blocks for Catalinas etc. make tangs. What about getting junk ones from Minneys for a sailboat junkyard? Are they likely to have stress cracks?? On my boat I had to replace the mast connection for my fore stay, and I ended up sandwiching two pieces of 1/8" by 1"aluminum bar around the tang for my forward block, The original tang hole had broken in half. I don't think tangs are that expensive, but replacing them, with frozen corroded bolts thru the mast, could be difficult. When I replaced my spreaders I gave up on undoing the bolt/frozen nut thru the mast and just sleeved new ones on over the stubs of the old spreaders, it worked. But I guess my Cal 24 is more of a toy than a Cal 30. That's what makes her so fun. Jerry From: gaineyphil <cu… [at] hawaii.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: New Mast Tangs for Cal 30 Mark, Will give them a call, thanks. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@...> wrote: > > Call Doug Grant, He should be able to help. He is a marine fabrication shop. > > Little Air Giant Inc at 737 W Channel St, San Pedro, CA. Call them at (310) 833-7262. > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gaineyphil > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:29 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] New Mast Tangs for Cal 30 > > > > I am in the process of getting my shrouds and stays replaced. I am being told at the last minute that I need to replace the tangs. Also, that it will be an additional $400. 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