Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account)

I wanted them in this location as they'd not be underfoot, easy to clip to and could really be left on permanently if I get lazy. As far as stretch and how far you'd hang in or out of the water I just attended the safety seminar for the Bermuda Race and the presenter was excellent and has been on both sides of the issue. He had to be airlifted off a boat with and appendecitus (sp?) and now works in the rescue business. Anyway if I recall correctly (and don't quote me on this) he has 2 tethers, short and long but neither stretches to 6' I think. I just looked on the race website as they said they'd post all his powerpoint slides and they aren't up yet. His lecture was like drinking from a firehose and they said not to worry about taking a lot of notes as they were going to post the slides and a video of his presentation. Hopefully it'll be up soon. The site is _www.bermudaoceanrace.com_ (http://www.bermudaoceanrace.com) if anyone wants to see what else they have posted. There are a bunch of weather links and other resources. Anyway, my plan is to have 2 tethers neither long enough to let me drag all the way in the water. On a semi-related note on the way back from a very hot race in August once, a couple of my crew wanted to take a swim and then wanted to see how long they could hold onto a rope when being dragged by the boat. I didn't get it up to 6 knots before both of them had to let go and one of them was a 170lb tri-athelete and this was in 80+ degree water. Paul In a message dated 4/25/2012 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dy… [at] yahoo.com writes: Nice diagram. Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion as you show, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water, head at or below deck level. Could I get back in the boat that way? I doubt it. Solo this could be awful and with a crew a pain in the arse. I was taught to use jacklines in the same way you show & have been thinking about doing one down the center of the boat fastened at the bow/foredeck (center)/mast/cockpit. Seems I would be hanging with my waist at deck level if I fall (or god forbid get washed over)& would be easier to get back on board. Have not tried it yet, I may be blowing wind... Just a thought - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. Thanks - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39 In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _c… [at] lsnm.org_ (mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org) writes: On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. Chris Campbell Nice diagram. Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water. I was taught to use jacklines in the same way From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. Thanks - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39 In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _c… [at] lsnm.org_ (mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org) writes: On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. Chris Campbell

We typically run jacklines from the forward cleats to the aft cleats using flat webbing with a few twists in them. From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) I wanted them in this location as they'd not be underfoot, easy to clip to and could really be left on permanently if I get lazy. As far as stretch and how far you'd hang in or out of the water I just attended the safety seminar for the Bermuda Race and the presenter was excellent and has been on both sides of the issue. He had to be airlifted off a boat with and appendecitus (sp?) and now works in the rescue business. Anyway if I recall correctly (and don't quote me on this) he has 2 tethers, short and long but neither stretches to 6' I think. I just looked on the race website as they said they'd post all his powerpoint slides and they aren't up yet. His lecture was like drinking from a firehose and they said not to worry about taking a lot of notes as they were going to post the slides and a video of his presentation. Hopefully it'll be up soon. The site is www.bermudaoceanrace.com if anyone wants to see what else they have posted. There are a bunch of weather links and other resources. Anyway, my plan is to have 2 tethers neither long enough to let me drag all the way in the water. On a semi-related note on the way back from a very hot race in August once, a couple of my crew wanted to take a swim and then wanted to see how long they could hold onto a rope when being dragged by the boat. I didn't get it up to 6 knots before both of them had to let go and one of them was a 170lb tri-athelete and this was in 80+ degree water. Paul In a message dated 4/25/2012 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dy… [at] yahoo.com writes: > > >Nice diagram. > >Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. > >My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion as you show, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water, head at or below deck level. Could I get back in the boat that way? I doubt it. Solo this could be awful and with a crew a pain in the arse. > >I was taught to use jacklines in the same way you show & have been thinking about doing one down the center of the boat fastened at the bow/foredeck (center)/mast/cockpit. Seems I would be hanging with my waist at deck level if I fall (or god forbid get washed over)& would be easier to get back on board. > >Have not tried it yet, I may be blowing wind... > >Just a thought - > Dyer > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) > >As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. > >Thanks - > >Paul West >Adventure Kwest >'80 Cal 39 > > > >In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: > >>On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. >> >>Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." >> >>This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). >> >>Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. >> >>Chris Campbell > > > > >Nice diagram. > >Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. > >My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water. > >I was taught to use jacklines in the same way > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) > >As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. > >Thanks - > >Paul West >Adventure Kwest >'80 Cal 39 > > > >In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: > >>On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. >> >>Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." >> >>This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). >> >>Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. >> >>Chris Campbell > >

Yeah, that is the typical location but there, they get underfoot, your tether can get tangled with jib or spin sheets and I was just looking for a better alternative. That reminds me, the safety lecturer recommended black for the color of your jacklines and said you'd be amazed how easy they are to see at night. Also said to soak them in saltwater when you first get them to set the color so they don't fade. Paul In a message dated 4/25/2012 1:49:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, md… [at] yahoo.com writes: We typically run jacklines from the forward cleats to the aft cleats using flat webbing with a few twists in them. From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) I wanted them in this location as they'd not be underfoot, easy to clip to and could really be left on permanently if I get lazy. As far as stretch and how far you'd hang in or out of the water I just attended the safety seminar for the Bermuda Race and the presenter was excellent and has been on both sides of the issue. He had to be airlifted off a boat with and appendecitus (sp?) and now works in the rescue business. Anyway if I recall correctly (and don't quote me on this) he has 2 tethers, short and long but neither stretches to 6' I think. I just looked on the race website as they said they'd post all his powerpoint slides and they aren't up yet. His lecture was like drinking from a firehose and they said not to worry about taking a lot of notes as they were going to post the slides and a video of his presentation. Hopefully it'll be up soon. The site is _www.bermudaoceanrace.com_ (http://www.bermudaoceanrace.com/) if anyone wants to see what else they have posted. There are a bunch of weather links and other resources. Anyway, my plan is to have 2 tethers neither long enough to let me drag all the way in the water. On a semi-related note on the way back from a very hot race in August once, a couple of my crew wanted to take a swim and then wanted to see how long they could hold onto a rope when being dragged by the boat. I didn't get it up to 6 knots before both of them had to let go and one of them was a 170lb tri-athelete and this was in 80+ degree water. Paul In a message dated 4/25/2012 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dy… [at] yahoo.com writes: Nice diagram. Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion as you show, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water, head at or below deck level. Could I get back in the boat that way? I doubt it. Solo this could be awful and with a crew a pain in the arse. I was taught to use jacklines in the same way you show & have been thinking about doing one down the center of the boat fastened at the bow/foredeck (center)/mast/cockpit. Seems I would be hanging with my waist at deck level if I fall (or god forbid get washed over)& would be easier to get back on board. Have not tried it yet, I may be blowing wind... Just a thought - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. Thanks - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39 In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _c… [at] lsnm.org_ (mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org) writes: On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. Chris Campbell Nice diagram. Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water. I was taught to use jacklines in the same way From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. Thanks - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39 In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _c… [at] lsnm.org_ (mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org) writes: On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. Chris Campbell

<Practical Sailor has devoted quite a bit of print to tether and clip issues lately, especially after the drownings on the unsafe boat that turtled in the last Chicago-Mac race. One big problem is release--the issues of the tether being under pressure and the issue of being able to grasp or manipulate the release effectively. It's worth reading. Go to your local library if necessary.> Yeah, the guy doing the lecture had several clips on tethers outside that he wanted us to try and use after soaking our hands in a bucket of ice water he had out there and due the rain that day, only a few of us went out and tried them and then we never got back around to talking about it so I don't know which one he recommended. <Our boats are faster and in some ways less suited to dismal conditions now. Our sailors are often older, less fit, and maybe less skilled as seamen (as opposed to racers) than typical offshore sailors might have been 60 years ago. > At 48 yrs old I was one of the youngest people at the seminar and most likely the youngest boat owner which is just sad to me. I am the definitely the youngest in my club with a boat over 27'. Paul

On 4/25/2012 2:41 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > > <Our boats are faster and in some ways less suited to dismal > conditions now. Our sailors are often older, less fit, and maybe less > skilled as seamen (as opposed to racers) than typical offshore sailors > might have been 60 years ago. > > *At 48 yrs old I was one of the youngest people at the seminar and > most likely the youngest boat owner which is just sad to me. I am the > definitely the youngest in my club with a boat over 27'.* > *Paul* > In our country, we've been shifting education costs onto the students, causing many to leave college or vocational school with huge student debts. It's harder for younger people to afford sailboats, even when they're interested. Chris Campbell > >

San Francisco SSS ( singlehanded sailing society) has required that we singlehanders have jacklines on both sides that go from the bow to 6' from the stern. I comply. I also carry a sharpened knife in my right hand fowlies pocket and I will cut my teather if I need to. I wil sail the singlehanded Farallons in a couple of weeks and I do so without anxiety. I retired from the race in 2011 when my cockpit of Yellow Jack 2/3 filled . Common sense is not common or sense. Live again to race another day. I have sailed the Farallons as fully crewed , DH and Singlehanded. Perhaps I will win the next one. Winston S. Churchill " Never give in! Never give in! Never give in! My Best, Mike Farrell m Yellow Jack SC27 US 57313 From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) I wanted them in this location as they'd not be underfoot, easy to clip to and could really be left on permanently if I get lazy. As far as stretch and how far you'd hang in or out of the water I just attended the safety seminar for the Bermuda Race and the presenter was excellent and has been on both sides of the issue. He had to be airlifted off a boat with and appendecitus (sp?) and now works in the rescue business. Anyway if I recall correctly (and don't quote me on this) he has 2 tethers, short and long but neither stretches to 6' I think. I just looked on the race website as they said they'd post all his powerpoint slides and they aren't up yet. His lecture was like drinking from a firehose and they said not to worry about taking a lot of notes as they were going to post the slides and a video of his presentation. Hopefully it'll be up soon. The site is www.bermudaoceanrace.com if anyone wants to see what else they have posted. There are a bunch of weather links and other resources. Anyway, my plan is to have 2 tethers neither long enough to let me drag all the way in the water. On a semi-related note on the way back from a very hot race in August once, a couple of my crew wanted to take a swim and then wanted to see how long they could hold onto a rope when being dragged by the boat. I didn't get it up to 6 knots before both of them had to let go and one of them was a 170lb tri-athelete and this was in 80+ degree water. Paul In a message dated 4/25/2012 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dy… [at] yahoo.com writes: > > >Nice diagram. > >Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. > >My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion as you show, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water, head at or below deck level. Could I get back in the boat that way? I doubt it. Solo this could be awful and with a crew a pain in the arse. > >I was taught to use jacklines in the same way you show & have been thinking about doing one down the center of the boat fastened at the bow/foredeck (center)/mast/cockpit. Seems I would be hanging with my waist at deck level if I fall (or god forbid get washed over)& would be easier to get back on board. > >Have not tried it yet, I may be blowing wind... > >Just a thought - > Dyer > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) > >As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. > >Thanks - > >Paul West >Adventure Kwest >'80 Cal 39 > > > >In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: > >>On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. >> >>Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." >> >>This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). >> >>Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. >> >>Chris Campbell > > > > >Nice diagram. > >Been giving a lot more thought lately to jacklines & something that always bothered me was looking at where you would be hanging if you fell overboard while attached. > >My tether does not have a quick release, so I have to let tension off so I can unclip it. If I fall overboard with jackline setup in a typical fashion, I would wind up with my tether over the life rails & hanging half in the water. > >I was taught to use jacklines in the same way > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) > >As it is always easier not to clip in due to the need to move around the boat in a hurry at times, I am contemplating where would be the best location for jacklines to make it easiest to clip in and move about. On my Cal 39 that I hope to race to Bermuda in the next 3-4 years, I am thinking I will run them as shown below. The red circles are U-bolts and the red line would be a jackline on the cabintop. It would not be supported as it runs around the shrouds but I don't see that as a problem . . . does anyone else? Since I have the handrails off at the moment and already had to shorten the forward most rails due to the need to destroy them when removing them I have already installed the U-bolts up there. The PO installed the U-bolt next to the companionway and the rest I still need to install but would like input on their locations. > >Thanks - > >Paul West >Adventure Kwest >'80 Cal 39 > > > >In a message dated 4/25/2012 11:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: > >>On 4/25/2012 10:11 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>The main safety tip was to clip in and by implication that should not be an individual decision, everyone needs to clip in. >> >>Yeah--it's not a matter of pure individualism when your actions affect others. I've done enough dumb things that almost got me in trouble (saved by dumb luck) to realize now that there are usually reasons for the rules we read about--the ones that we think, "oh, I can disobey that one just this time because _____." >> >>This past weekend a local guy drowned--out in a canoe in Great Lakes waters (cold); canoe flipped, dog swam to shore, paddler died. That reminded me of my first oh-shit moment when my kayak went over one March in water <40º F. Luckily, my wetsuit worked and I was close to shore, but I could have been a statistic. Then last night I was crossing the road on my road bicycle and had the right of way, but the little blond lady in the little sports car almost did not see me, and I did not have both hands on the brake levers, and I was thinking "oh shit" as her car came toward me. (I did have my helmet on, having learned that lesson the hard way). >> >>Bad things do happen when we least expect them, which is why we should be prepared for them. >> >>Chris Campbell > >

Ok I take one 1/2 line start port rear cleat run to port front cleat cleated off make 2 ft loop cleated to star B side run back to rear cleat my jack lines are fairly tight ...in calm seas I clip one end to leash and other end to jack line i can move freely ...in 15 -20 kt I clip both ends to harrenes this give me "staying power" when ever a wave tries wash me over board if a "REALLY BIG " wave hits I lay on top of jackline holdding line in both hands and wrap leg around jackline till wave dimmishes in the pacific the waves come in sets so timing is important ..I will race up to fordeck do some work then back to mast or cockpit till my streaght returns ...in 20 -30 kts I'll run leaward jackline through sheet winch made jackline very tight wrap leash 3 or 4 times around jackline sometimes putting a loop by one clip this hold me down with knees bent.. we only send person at time to the fordeck should 1st be washed overbord they can be helped back aboard because their leash is short and windward side has speed to run up pull him back on deck then come back to cockpit and drag him back or just wait for next wave he will float back...above 35kt the tops of the waves turn to froth and the jib is long gone...now that I'm older (weaker) I try to choose crossings based on weather ...sometimes I turn around and go back ..I also prep the boat for each passage things like tie ankor down ..sure I have to untie it to use it... but never agin do I want try to sucure loose ankor in high winds & HIGH SEAS...edward Cal 36 From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) On 4/25/2012 2:41 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > > > ><Our boats are faster and in some ways less suited to dismal >conditions now. Our sailors are often older, less fit, and >maybe less skilled as seamen (as opposed to racers) than >typical offshore sailors might have been 60 years ago. > >At 48 yrs old I was one of the youngest people at the >seminar and most likely the youngest boat owner which is >just sad to me. I am the definitely the youngest in my >club with a boat over 27'. > > >Paul In our country, we've been shifting education costs onto the students, causing many to leave college or vocational school with huge student debts. It's harder for younger people to afford sailboats, even when they're interested. Chris Campbell >

A good article on jacklines. http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/Howtousejacklines.htm From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) Ok I take one 1/2 line start port rear cleat run to port front cleat cleated off make 2 ft loop cleated to star B side run back to rear cleat my jack lines are fairly tight ...in calm seas I clip one end to leash and other end to jack line i can move freely ...in 15 -20 kt I clip both ends to harrenes this give me "staying power" when ever a wave tries wash me over board if a "REALLY BIG " wave hits I lay on top of jackline holdding line in both hands and wrap leg around jackline till wave dimmishes in the pacific the waves come in sets so timing is important ..I will race up to fordeck do some work then back to mast or cockpit till my streaght returns ...in 20 -30 kts I'll run leaward jackline through sheet winch made jackline very tight wrap leash 3 or 4 times around jackline sometimes putting a loop by one clip this hold me down with knees bent.. we only send person at time to the fordeck should 1st be washed overbord they can be helped back aboard because their leash is short and windward side has speed to run up pull him back on deck then come back to cockpit and drag him back or just wait for next wave he will float back...above 35kt the tops of the waves turn to froth and the jib is long gone...now that I'm older (weaker) I try to choose crossings based on weather ...sometimes I turn around and go back ..I also prep the boat for each passage things like tie ankor down ..sure I have to untie it to use it... but never agin do I want try to sucure loose ankor in high winds & HIGH SEAS...edward Cal 36 From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) On 4/25/2012 2:41 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > > > ><Our boats are faster and in some ways less suited to dismal conditions now. Our sailors are often older, less fit, and maybe less skilled as seamen (as opposed to racers) than typical offshore sailors might have been 60 years ago. > > >At 48 yrs old I was one of the youngest people at the seminar and most likely the youngest boat owner which is just sad to me. I am the definitely the youngest in my club with a boat over 27'. > > >Paul In our country, we've been shifting education costs onto the students, causing many to leave college or vocational school with huge student debts. It's harder for younger people to afford sailboats, even when they're interested. Chris Campbell >

This is the tether I was thinking would be best for the layout on my boat as you could use the short tether for most jobs and it would keep you on the boat. I'll have to measure but I think with the long tether my bowman could work at the bow but if not, I'll need to add something up there. _http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/safetytether_5.htm_ (http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/safetytether_5.htm) Paul In a message dated 4/26/2012 4:39:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pe… [at] yahoo.com writes: A good article on jacklines. _http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/Howtousejacklines.htm_ (http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/Howtousejacklines.htm) From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) Ok I take one 1/2 line start port rear cleat run to port front cleat cleated off make 2 ft loop cleated to star B side run back to rear cleat my jack lines are fairly tight ...in calm seas I clip one end to leash and other end to jack line i can move freely ...in 15 -20 kt I clip both ends to harrenes this give me "staying power" when ever a wave tries wash me over board if a "REALLY BIG " wave hits I lay on top of jackline holdding line in both hands and wrap leg around jackline till wave dimmishes in the pacific the waves come in sets so timing is important ..I will race up to fordeck do some work then back to mast or cockpit till my streaght returns ...in 20 -30 kts I'll run leaward jackline through sheet winch made jackline very tight wrap leash 3 or 4 times around jackline sometimes putting a loop by one clip this hold me down with knees bent.. we only send person at time to the fordeck should 1st be washed overbord they can be helped back aboard because their leash is short and windward side has speed to run up pull him back on deck then come back to cockpit and drag him back or just wait for next wave he will float back...above 35kt the tops of the waves turn to froth and the jib is long gone...now that I'm older (weaker) I try to choose crossings based on weather ...sometimes I turn around and go back ..I also prep the boat for each passage things like tie ankor down ..sure I have to untie it to use it... but never agin do I want try to sucure loose ankor in high winds & HIGH SEAS...edward Cal 36 From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) On 4/25/2012 2:41 PM, _p… [at] aol.com_ (mailto:pw… [at] aol.com) wrote: <Our boats are faster and in some ways less suited to dismal conditions now. Our sailors are often older, less fit, and maybe less skilled as seamen (as opposed to racers) than typical offshore sailors might have been 60 years ago. > At 48 yrs old I was one of the youngest people at the seminar and most likely the youngest boat owner which is just sad to me. I am the definitely the youngest in my club with a boat over 27'. Paul In our country, we've been shifting education costs onto the students, causing many to leave college or vocational school with huge student debts. It's harder for younger people to afford sailboats, even when they're interested. Chris Campbell

SF Bay SSS rules for 2012 require jacklines to terminate 6' from stern. With a 6'+ teather you will fetch up at the stern where you will be able to recover the deck if you are able to do so. My Best, Mike Farrell From: Perry Wright <pe… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) A good article on jacklines. http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/Howtousejacklines.htm From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) Ok I take one 1/2 line start port rear cleat run to port front cleat cleated off make 2 ft loop cleated to star B side run back to rear cleat my jack lines are fairly tight ...in calm seas I clip one end to leash and other end to jack line i can move freely ...in 15 -20 kt I clip both ends to harrenes this give me "staying power" when ever a wave tries wash me over board if a "REALLY BIG " wave hits I lay on top of jackline holdding line in both hands and wrap leg around jackline till wave dimmishes in the pacific the waves come in sets so timing is important ..I will race up to fordeck do some work then back to mast or cockpit till my streaght returns ...in 20 -30 kts I'll run leaward jackline through sheet winch made jackline very tight wrap leash 3 or 4 times around jackline sometimes putting a loop by one clip this hold me down with knees bent.. we only send person at time to the fordeck should 1st be washed overbord they can be helped back aboard because their leash is short and windward side has speed to run up pull him back on deck then come back to cockpit and drag him back or just wait for next wave he will float back...above 35kt the tops of the waves turn to froth and the jib is long gone...now that I'm older (weaker) I try to choose crossings based on weather ...sometimes I turn around and go back ..I also prep the boat for each passage things like tie ankor down ..sure I have to untie it to use it... but never agin do I want try to sucure loose ankor in high winds & HIGH SEAS...edward Cal 36 From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Jackline location (was Farallones Survivor's Full Account) On 4/25/2012 2:41 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > > > ><Our boats are faster and in some ways less suited to dismal conditions now. Our sailors are often older, less fit, and maybe less skilled as seamen (as opposed to racers) than typical offshore sailors might have been 60 years ago. > > >At 48 yrs old I was one of the youngest people at the seminar and most likely the youngest boat owner which is just sad to me. I am the definitely the youngest in my club with a boat over 27'. > > >Paul In our country, we've been shifting education costs onto the students, causing many to leave college or vocational school with huge student debts. It's harder for younger people to afford sailboats, even when they're interested. Chris Campbell >