Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel bilge-beam!

On my boat the PO cut a inspection port in the glass pan beam on the head side. The block is glassed in and on my boat is solid. It is not at the bottom of the bilge but on the hull just in front of where the keel starts. As for removing the pan. I would think you would have to remove the deck first as the pan goes from aft of the rudder post to the beginning of the V berth. Richard Fuller 65 Cal 28 - Old Flat top Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks for the update, Richard. You are an invaluable resource for the Cal 28 fans out here! I tried looking through the bilge once and saw only glass and no beam. One additional question, please. You tore your boat apart and have a good feel for what everything looks like bare. I am interested in trying to expand the quarter berth areas on both sides of the boat. I have no inboard motor. I look at the space where it was and wonder about moving the head aft and having nothing but a huge v-berth cabin. Since I have no holding tank yet and must soon pay someone to install it, I thought about moving it. The layout of the newer Cal 28, I believe, shows the head in the stern of the boat. They claim there is more headroom aft. I am jealous of the roomier (sp?) quarter berths on the larger boats, and at 6'2", it is a bit tight getting to the v-berth via the head with my 5'11" clearance. Looks like the Cal 28 used a bit much of the stern for the cockpit. I do love that the cockpit, though. What say you? Have you in any way otherwise modified the original layout of your boat? Thanks for your thoughts. Bruce Stirling Gangfurd 65 Cal 28 - Hull 82 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fuller Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel bilge-beam! On my boat the PO cut a inspection port in the glass pan beam on the head side. The block is glassed in and on my boat is solid. It is not at the bottom of the bilge but on the hull just in front of where the keel starts. As for removing the pan. I would think you would have to remove the deck first as the pan goes from aft of the rudder post to the beginning of the V berth. Richard Fuller 65 Cal 28 - Old Flat top Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Bruce I had thought of major modifications such as re arranging the interior before I started re coring the deck. After much though I decided that there are some main areas that can't really be touched. Structurally the main bulkhead is pretty well fixed. Moving either the head or the galley aft wouldn't really fit without taking space away from the cockpit and adding it to the cabin, major structural change not to mention balance. Yes the cockpit on the 28's is huge, but that goes with the 28's intended use as an in shore club racer. I think Lapworth was more concerned with sail performance and topside comfort than the interior. He has said in interviews that his designs where often compromises. Trading off features in one area to improve another. The flat top design of both the 25 and 28 reflect that. Their hulls have low freeboard and the low decks help with reducing windage and make deck work more comfortable. Both compromises to interior space that makes for better sailing comfort and ability. The off center set up of the interior also makes it difficult to but the head on the galley side and on either side at the back of the cabin you would be blocking of the quarter berth which if anything is a huge storage space. We keep our extra sails in the starboard quarter berth, and use the sail bin/hanging locker forward as a hanging locker only; the stove alcohol tank is there too. When underway the head in it's current location is closer to the middle of the boat, which reduces movement. Theoretical consideration maybe but it was considered in the design I'm sure. Bottom line was I felt the change would be a lot of work for marginal gain, and possibly ruining the integrity of the entire boat. I would buy a different boat before going that far I think. Richard Fuller 65 Cal - 28 Old Flat Top --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Richard. You are an invaluable resource for the Cal > 28 fans out here! I tried looking through the bilge once and saw only glass > and no beam. > > One additional question, please. You tore your boat apart and have a good > feel for what everything looks like bare. I am interested in trying to > expand the quarter berth areas on both sides of the boat. I have no inboard > motor. I look at the space where it was and wonder about moving the head > aft and having nothing but a huge v-berth cabin. Since I have no holding > tank yet and must soon pay someone to install it, I thought about moving it. > The layout of the newer Cal 28, I believe, shows the head in the stern of > the boat. They claim there is more headroom aft. I am jealous of the > roomier (sp?) quarter berths on the larger boats, and at 6'2", it is a bit > tight getting to the v-berth via the head with my 5'11" clearance. Looks > like the Cal 28 used a bit much of the stern for the cockpit. I do love > that the cockpit, though. > > What say you? Have you in any way otherwise modified the original layout of > your boat? > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > Bruce Stirling > Gangfurd > 65 Cal 28 - Hull 82 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Richard Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:18 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel > bilge-beam! > > > On my boat the PO cut a inspection port in the glass > pan beam on the head side. The block is glassed in and > on my boat is solid. It is not at the bottom of the > bilge but on the hull just in front of where the keel > starts. > > As for removing the pan. I would think you would have > to remove the deck first as the pan goes from aft of > the rudder post to the beginning of the V berth. > > Richard Fuller > > 65 Cal 28 - Old Flat top > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Richard, What are you planning on recoring your boat with? I just completed a complete deck recore job on my new P36-2.....a ton of fun and to top it off, I now have a new deck!! I cut the top glass off, removed all balsa and used Nidacore instead of wood and reglassed in new non skid. I wanted the boat to have the original non skid and it turned out very nice.. Good luck! Greg 1977 Cal 34 III-for sale 1986 Pearson P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Fuller To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel bilge-beam! Hi Bruce I had thought of major modifications such as re arranging the interior before I started re coring the deck. After much though I decided that there are some main areas that can't really be touched. Structurally the main bulkhead is pretty well fixed. Moving either the head or the galley aft wouldn't really fit without taking space away from the cockpit and adding it to the cabin, major structural change not to mention balance. Yes the cockpit on the 28's is huge, but that goes with the 28's intended use as an in shore club racer. I think Lapworth was more concerned with sail performance and topside comfort than the interior. He has said in interviews that his designs where often compromises. Trading off features in one area to improve another. The flat top design of both the 25 and 28 reflect that. Their hulls have low freeboard and the low decks help with reducing windage and make deck work more comfortable. Both compromises to interior space that makes for better sailing comfort and ability. The off center set up of the interior also makes it difficult to but the head on the galley side and on either side at the back of the cabin you would be blocking of the quarter berth which if anything is a huge storage space. We keep our extra sails in the starboard quarter berth, and use the sail bin/hanging locker forward as a hanging locker only; the stove alcohol tank is there too. When underway the head in it's current location is closer to the middle of the boat, which reduces movement. Theoretical consideration maybe but it was considered in the design I'm sure. Bottom line was I felt the change would be a lot of work for marginal gain, and possibly ruining the integrity of the entire boat. I would buy a different boat before going that far I think. Richard Fuller 65 Cal - 28 Old Flat Top --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Richard. You are an invaluable resource for the Cal > 28 fans out here! I tried looking through the bilge once and saw only glass > and no beam. > > One additional question, please. You tore your boat apart and have a good > feel for what everything looks like bare. I am interested in trying to > expand the quarter berth areas on both sides of the boat. I have no inboard > motor. I look at the space where it was and wonder about moving the head > aft and having nothing but a huge v-berth cabin. Since I have no holding > tank yet and must soon pay someone to install it, I thought about moving it. > The layout of the newer Cal 28, I believe, shows the head in the stern of > the boat. They claim there is more headroom aft. I am jealous of the > roomier (sp?) quarter berths on the larger boats, and at 6'2", it is a bit > tight getting to the v-berth via the head with my 5'11" clearance. Looks > like the Cal 28 used a bit much of the stern for the cockpit. I do love > that the cockpit, though. > > What say you? Have you in any way otherwise modified the original layout of > your boat? > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > Bruce Stirling > Gangfurd > 65 Cal 28 - Hull 82 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Richard Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:18 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel > bilge-beam! > > > On my boat the PO cut a inspection port in the glass > pan beam on the head side. The block is glassed in and > on my boat is solid. It is not at the bottom of the > bilge but on the hull just in front of where the keel > starts. > > As for removing the pan. I would think you would have > to remove the deck first as the pan goes from aft of > the rudder post to the beginning of the V berth. > > Richard Fuller > > 65 Cal 28 - Old Flat top > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Regarding meager head room in Cal 28. First time I was in one, years ago when I started boat shopping I was annoyed that I couldn't stand up straight in the cabin, as I'm 6'4" (or at least before my hang gliding accident!) Anyway, on the Cal 24, I joked for years that I have full standing head room...if you don't get off your knees. But, just for fun I tried it, and hit may head anyway! I noticed, however, can do if I'm in the passage way. Maybe that's how they got the genius idea for the pop tops! Jerry

Cal 28'ers I am restoring/repairing "Knackered", Hull No 155. I have cut away most of the bulkhead into the V-berth area, leaving a 2 inch margin on sides and overhead which will probably be assisted by a beam before finishing it. Going to porta-potty for head. It will nest under port side extended V-berth. I will extend both the port and starboard V-berths to the main bulkhead which bears the chain plates. Hanging locker will be sent to live under bridge deck. Engine compartment is gone, which opens up the space between the quarter berths. My question: What is the molded piece in the floor of the hanging locker meant for? It looks like it might have been a drain for a floor that is no longer there on "K". I am considering it as a strong point for a new battery box. I will post some pictures some time so you can watch progress. George Barlow Knackered, Cal 28 No. 155 Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Sail Away <Svadas4@...> wrote: > > Richard, > > What are you planning on recoring your boat with? I just completed a complete deck recore job on my new P36-2.....a ton of fun and to top it off, I now have a new deck!! I cut the top glass off, removed all balsa and used Nidacore instead of wood and reglassed in new non skid. I wanted the boat to have the original non skid and it turned out very nice.. > > Good luck! > > Greg > 1977 Cal 34 III-for sale > 1986 Pearson P36-2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Fuller > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:40 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel bilge-beam! > > > Hi Bruce > > I had thought of major modifications such as re arranging the interior before I started re > coring the deck. After much though I decided that there are some main areas that can't > really be touched. Structurally the main bulkhead is pretty well fixed. Moving either the > head or the galley aft wouldn't really fit without taking space away from the cockpit and > adding it to the cabin, major structural change not to mention balance. Yes the cockpit on > the 28's is huge, but that goes with the 28's intended use as an in shore club racer. > > I think Lapworth was more concerned with sail performance and topside comfort than the > interior. He has said in interviews that his designs where often compromises. Trading off > features in one area to improve another. The flat top design of both the 25 and 28 reflect > that. Their hulls have low freeboard and the low decks help with reducing windage and > make deck work more comfortable. Both compromises to interior space that makes for > better sailing comfort and ability. > > The off center set up of the interior also makes it difficult to but the head on the galley > side and on either side at the back of the cabin you would be blocking of the quarter berth > which if anything is a huge storage space. We keep our extra sails in the starboard quarter > berth, and use the sail bin/hanging locker forward as a hanging locker only; the stove > alcohol tank is there too. When underway the head in it's current location is closer to the > middle of the boat, which reduces movement. Theoretical consideration maybe but it was > considered in the design I'm sure. > > Bottom line was I felt the change would be a lot of work for marginal gain, and possibly > ruining the integrity of the entire boat. I would buy a different boat before going that far I > think. > > Richard Fuller > 65 Cal - 28 Old Flat Top > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the update, Richard. You are an invaluable resource for the Cal > > 28 fans out here! I tried looking through the bilge once and saw only glass > > and no beam. > > > > One additional question, please. You tore your boat apart and have a good > > feel for what everything looks like bare. I am interested in trying to > > expand the quarter berth areas on both sides of the boat. I have no inboard > > motor. I look at the space where it was and wonder about moving the head > > aft and having nothing but a huge v-berth cabin. Since I have no holding > > tank yet and must soon pay someone to install it, I thought about moving it. > > The layout of the newer Cal 28, I believe, shows the head in the stern of > > the boat. They claim there is more headroom aft. I am jealous of the > > roomier (sp?) quarter berths on the larger boats, and at 6'2", it is a bit > > tight getting to the v-berth via the head with my 5'11" clearance. Looks > > like the Cal 28 used a bit much of the stern for the cockpit. I do love > > that the cockpit, though. > > > > What say you? Have you in any way otherwise modified the original layout of > > your boat? > > > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > > > Bruce Stirling > > Gangfurd > > 65 Cal 28 - Hull 82 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > > Of Richard Fuller > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:18 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal-28 question (Richard Fuller) was steel > > bilge-beam! > > > > > > On my boat the PO cut a inspection port in the glass > > pan beam on the head side. The block is glassed in and > > on my boat is solid. It is not at the bottom of the > > bilge but on the hull just in front of where the keel > > starts. > > > > As for removing the pan. I would think you would have > > to remove the deck first as the pan goes from aft of > > the rudder post to the beginning of the V berth. > > > > Richard Fuller > > > > 65 Cal 28 - Old Flat top > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >