Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose

Wow Allen that's a lotta work! You wood boat guys have a lot of faith in your wood swelling up and sealing leaks. I'd be a nervous wreck! Wonder how much weight that adds to the boat and how the designers and builders account for the swelling. It seems it would be more of an art than a science. Can't wait to get some time to watch your spinnaker videos. Good luck tomorrow! Paul Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >Papoose is back in the water after what seems like a month on the hard. > What I know is it that a two week project took much longer and was much >more involved. > >Here is what I did: > >Remove and rebuild engine and transmission (shipped from California to New >Jersey) >Remove cockpit sole for access and repair and replace plywood "while we >were at it" >R&R 4 deadwood keel bolts >R&R one chainplate for inspection (it was fine) >R&R rudder and stern post >Replace rudder tube as old block under the old packing box was wasted >Replace prop shaft log wood and relocate packing box a bit forward on a new >small floor. >Replace 4 floors >Replace rotted bulkhead aft of engine >Install new fuel tank >Fair hull and spray on "Racing bottom" >Paint cockpit as the sole was left with just fairing compound. > >We splashed last evening and she filled the sump about every 5 minutes. By >this morning it was every 100 minutes and by this afternoon I could not see >any leaks. > >Tomorrow, all going well, I realign the engine and start it up. > >Allen >L-36 #5

Faith, and sleeping on the boat with one foot draped over so it touches the cabin sole... Actually, I did sleep on the boat but I could see that the leak was getting smaller and by the middle of the night I could hear from the sound the pump makes that the leak was a lot less so I was not worried. I was actually surprised that it stopped so quickly. Papoose is strip planked so it should not leak at all. But when it dries out, the seams split as the glue fails. It seemed to happen more around the bulkheads where the boat could not just get smaller. Allen On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > ** > > > Wow Allen that's a lotta work! You wood boat guys have a lot of faith in > your wood swelling up and sealing leaks. I'd be a nervous wreck! Wonder how > much weight that adds to the boat and how the designers and builders > account for the swelling. It seems it would be more of an art than a > science. Can't wait to get some time to watch your spinnaker videos. > Good luck tomorrow! > Paul > > > Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > >Papoose is back in the water after what seems like a month on the hard. > > What I know is it that a two week project took much longer and was much > >more involved. > > > >Here is what I did: > > > >Remove and rebuild engine and transmission (shipped from California to New > >Jersey) > >Remove cockpit sole for access and repair and replace plywood "while we > >were at it" > >R&R 4 deadwood keel bolts > >R&R one chainplate for inspection (it was fine) > >R&R rudder and stern post > >Replace rudder tube as old block under the old packing box was wasted > >Replace prop shaft log wood and relocate packing box a bit forward on a > new > >small floor. > >Replace 4 floors > >Replace rotted bulkhead aft of engine > >Install new fuel tank > >Fair hull and spray on "Racing bottom" > >Paint cockpit as the sole was left with just fairing compound. > > > >We splashed last evening and she filled the sump about every 5 minutes. By > >this morning it was every 100 minutes and by this afternoon I could not > see > >any leaks. > > > >Tomorrow, all going well, I realign the engine and start it up. > > > >Allen > >L-36 #5 > > >

Allen, do the waterline and overall wetted surface get larger? Something must contain the swelling to cause compression. Is it called a sny or some kind of keel thingy? Quite a Story Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose Faith, and sleeping on the boat with one foot draped over so it touches the cabin sole... Actually, I did sleep on the boat but I could see that the leak was getting smaller and by the middle of the night I could hear from the sound the pump makes that the leak was a lot less so I was not worried. I was actually surprised that it stopped so quickly. Papoose is strip planked so it should not leak at all. But when it dries out, the seams split as the glue fails. It seemed to happen more around the bulkheads where the boat could not just get smaller. Allen On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com>> wrote: Wow Allen that's a lotta work! You wood boat guys have a lot of faith in your wood swelling up and sealing leaks. I'd be a nervous wreck! Wonder how much weight that adds to the boat and how the designers and builders account for the swelling. It seems it would be more of an art than a science. Can't wait to get some time to watch your spinnaker videos. Good luck tomorrow! Paul Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:allen.p.edwards%40gmail.com>> wrote: >Papoose is back in the water after what seems like a month on the hard. > What I know is it that a two week project took much longer and was much >more involved. > >Here is what I did: > >Remove and rebuild engine and transmission (shipped from California to New >Jersey) >Remove cockpit sole for access and repair and replace plywood "while we >were at it" >R&R 4 deadwood keel bolts >R&R one chainplate for inspection (it was fine) >R&R rudder and stern post >Replace rudder tube as old block under the old packing box was wasted >Replace prop shaft log wood and relocate packing box a bit forward on a new >small floor. >Replace 4 floors >Replace rotted bulkhead aft of engine >Install new fuel tank >Fair hull and spray on "Racing bottom" >Paint cockpit as the sole was left with just fairing compound. > >We splashed last evening and she filled the sump about every 5 minutes. By >this morning it was every 100 minutes and by this afternoon I could not see >any leaks. > >Tomorrow, all going well, I realign the engine and start it up. > >Allen >L-36 #5

Well, that was my theory watching the cracks form in the hull. The bulkheads are hull shaped cross sections of plywood and the hull cannot shrink against the plywood. In other places, the hull is free to just make a smaller boat. We are talking about a fraction of an inch across the hull but it definitely split more at the bulkheads although not exclusively. Obviously factors like the sun and the wind also played a role. The bow on Papoose cannot split because it is covered with Fiberglass, and early attempt to stop a leak solved by replacing 5 floors and the mast step about 6 years ago. Allen On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > Allen, do the waterline and overall wetted surface get larger? > Something must contain the swelling to cause compression. Is it called a > sny or some kind of keel thingy?**** > > ** ** > > Quite a Story**** > > ** ** > > Take Care**** > > Charlie **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:32 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Papoose**** > > ** ** > > > > Faith, and sleeping on the boat with one foot draped over so it touches > the cabin sole... Actually, I did sleep on the boat but I could see that > the leak was getting smaller and by the middle of the night I could hear > from the sound the pump makes that the leak was a lot less so I was not > worried. I was actually surprised that it stopped so quickly.**** > > ** ** > > Papoose is strip planked so it should not leak at all. But when it dries > out, the seams split as the glue fails. It seemed to happen more around > the bulkheads where the boat could not just get smaller.**** > > ** ** > > Allen**** > > ** ** > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote:**** > > **** > > Wow Allen that's a lotta work! You wood boat guys have a lot of faith in > your wood swelling up and sealing leaks. I'd be a nervous wreck! Wonder how > much weight that adds to the boat and how the designers and builders > account for the swelling. It seems it would be more of an art than a > science. Can't wait to get some time to watch your spinnaker videos. > Good luck tomorrow! > Paul**** > > > > Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > >Papoose is back in the water after what seems like a month on the hard. > > What I know is it that a two week project took much longer and was much > >more involved. > > > >Here is what I did: > > > >Remove and rebuild engine and transmission (shipped from California to New > >Jersey) > >Remove cockpit sole for access and repair and replace plywood "while we > >were at it" > >R&R 4 deadwood keel bolts > >R&R one chainplate for inspection (it was fine) > >R&R rudder and stern post > >Replace rudder tube as old block under the old packing box was wasted > >Replace prop shaft log wood and relocate packing box a bit forward on a > new > >small floor. > >Replace 4 floors > >Replace rotted bulkhead aft of engine > >Install new fuel tank > >Fair hull and spray on "Racing bottom" > >Paint cockpit as the sole was left with just fairing compound. > > > >We splashed last evening and she filled the sump about every 5 minutes. By > >this morning it was every 100 minutes and by this afternoon I could not > see > >any leaks. > > > >Tomorrow, all going well, I realign the engine and start it up. > > > >Allen > >L-36 #5**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > **** > > >