Cal 34 jib sizing

Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. Regards, Eric

Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. Hope that helps - Dyer From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. Regards, Eric

Eric ... My opinion is that there is no single correct sail for that wind range. My recommendations would be to order a good 155. It will be right for 5 - 15 knots of wind, more-or-less. I think that will be your breeze most of the time. Then check the "Minnies" web-site (http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/headsails.html), and try to find something that would be an OK sail for those days when you are out and the winds are expected to be over 15. Ideally, that "blade" sail for the heavy-wind days would be full-hoist, and 90% - 100%, and would be sheeted inboard, maybe around 12 - 13 degrees. That forward sheeting position would be approximately along a straight line between the bow and where the 155 sheets. For what it's worth, when the Cal-40 were sailing back in the late 60's, 180% headsails were common for use in lighter winds. Sometime later, the PHRF rating system put a heavy rating penalty on anything larger than 155%, so that was the end of the 180s. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA From: "ericpaulsen1" <er… [at] yahoo.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:05 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have > been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired > and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can > see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an > everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. > > I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 > knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a > 120% or a 130% might be a good size. > > I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. > > Regards, > Eric > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Eric, Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. Good Luck. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: > > Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the > main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have > been great for sailing around SF bay. > > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more > typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? > > If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I > would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you > are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I > would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. > > We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better > visibility and we are not in a hurry. > > Hope that helps - > Dyer > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and > we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking > pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge > and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe > it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit > well with the sheet blocks, etc. > > I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the > 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am > thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. > > I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. > > Regards, > Eric > > > > > >

Hi - I sailed a Cal 29 that I just sold but your foresail primary selection really depends on the waters you sail regularly. In Western NY a 150 on a furler was my original sail of choice.Moved that 29 to the bay area -California and no way shoud that 150 be your primary. Way to much wind on a more regular basis. I went down to a beautiful 125 primary high clew on a furler built by my good friend Rui Luis, God rest his soul, from his UK/Rooster sails loft in ALameda. Moved the boat back to WNY where I continued to use the 125 because I loved the high clew as I sailed alone alot and she moved across the deck easily. Sometimes not the power you'd like but more than comfortable if you are not inclined to change sails regularly and not a serious racer.. My two cents. Shelley Richards Formerly Cal 29 # 154 Wilson NY still in Wilson despite selling this wonderful ship From: Fred Haas <ca… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing Eric, Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. Good Luck. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. Hope that helps - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the she et blocks, etc. I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. Regards, Eric

Eric, Yassou, the perennial winner here used to have a 170 Genoa that it's original owner used to slay the fleet, but the winds average lighter here than San Pedro area with its Hurricane Gulch. My Santana 20 Genoa works out to a 134 but this year I wish I had a 155 most of the time. Me crew is now disabled (torn rotator cuff left arm, and ow broken bone spur in left shoulder) and can only use half of one arm, and I broke down and used my antique winch handle Tuesday night ( brown thingies that go clicky clack, with a drop pins, heavy crome bars and a teak handles....and counter rotating!!!..how kuel is that? Wooohooo!) But the 134 works out to a great multi purpose size. If you get one built you may consider one with hi tech fibers like we waz talkin' 'bout the other day, or, get a big laminate jib off a boat with a serious racing program, and have it cut down and altered, as I'm considering doing. I'll die of old age before Minney's has the right size sail for me antique boat. BTW, Joe, you're Cal 34 Yassou was lookin' good Tuesday night with it's brand new color matched green and yeller kite...too bad I came from behind and corrected out ahead of you...ok...not too bad for ME!! I Would have taken first place if that J-120 wasn't out there to make all of us look foolish. Those boats come with their own invisible wind generators, like them A class cats. and 5.70's (we had a pair of them too, Tuesday nite) With a modern roller furling and padded luff you should be able to modulate you Jib area and live in the best of all worlds, but for me, that would be against my religion. I delight in doing well in a derelict boat flying rags. Shame on me! Jerry From: Fred Haas <ca… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing Eric, Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. Good Luck. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: > > >Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. > > >Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? > >If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. > >We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. > >Hope that helps - > Dyer > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > >Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. > >I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. > >I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. > >Regards, >Eric > > > > > >

Eric, I live in San Pedro, just over the bridges from Long Beach. Have done a fair amount of racing out of Long Beach. Typically the wind is not as power packed in Long Beach, however it can get a blowing from the West (Hurricane Gulch) into LB at 24 knots outer breakwater. So, If you are racing with crew, the 145-155 is a good choice. If you are cruzing to Catalina with out racing 3-5 crew members, then go with a furling 125 and reef the main if weather deteriorates. I was happy with a 110 RF Jib going to Catalina. Why? because when the wind cranks up your laughin and having fun rather than its fn windy out here I wish I had the right tool for the job! San Pedro sailing for 50 years. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing(Eric) Eric, Yassou, the perennial winner here used to have a 170 Genoa that it's original owner used to slay the fleet, but the winds average lighter here than San Pedro area with its Hurricane Gulch. My Santana 20 Genoa works out to a 134 but this year I wish I had a 155 most of the time. Me crew is now disabled (torn rotator cuff left arm, and ow broken bone spur in left shoulder) and can only use half of one arm, and I broke down and used my antique winch handle Tuesday night ( brown thingies that go clicky clack, with a drop pins, heavy crome bars and a teak handles....and counter rotating!!!..how kuel is that? Wooohooo!) But the 134 works out to a great multi purpose size. If you get one built you may consider one with hi tech fibers like we waz talkin' 'bout the other day, or, get a big laminate jib off a boat with a serious racing program, and have it cut down and altered, as I'm considering doing. I'll die of old age before Minney's has the right size sail for me antique boat. BTW, Joe, you're Cal 34 Yassou was lookin' good Tuesday night with it's brand new color matched green and yeller kite...too bad I came from behind and corrected out ahead of you...ok...not too bad for ME!! I Would have taken first place if that J-120 wasn't out there to make all of us look foolish. Those boats come with their own invisible wind generators, like them A class cats. and 5.70's (we had a pair of them too, Tuesday nite) With a modern roller furling and padded luff you should be able to modulate you Jib area and live in the best of all worlds, but for me, that would be against my religion. I delight in doing well in a derelict boat flying rags. Shame on me! Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Fred Haas <ca… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing Eric, Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. Good Luck. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. Hope that helps - Dyer From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. Regards, Eric __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks everyone, your comments are very helpful. @Fred, Gerry, Dyer: it turns out we do have a roller furling system so I am thinking a 130 is sounding like the best selection and if the wind picks up I can put a wrap or two. I will keep my eyes peeled for a 110-95% at Minney's but I am not going to hold my breath. @Mark: thanks for the heads up about the Long Beach and San Pedro winds. I have sailed a fair amount out of Newport and Dana Point but the winds were always very light. I like LB much better. I have been talking with Elliott/Pattison and I am getting a good feeling about them. Anyone have any other suggestions for the SoCal area? Thanks, Eric --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@...> wrote: > > Eric, I live in San Pedro, just over the bridges from Long Beach. Have done a fair amount of racing out of Long Beach. Typically the wind is not as power packed in Long Beach, however it can get a blowing from the West (Hurricane Gulch) into LB at 24 knots outer breakwater. So, If you are racing with crew, the 145-155 is a good choice. If you are cruzing to Catalina with out racing 3-5 crew members, then go with a furling 125 and reef the main if weather deteriorates. I was happy with a 110 RF Jib going to Catalina. Why? because when the wind cranks up your laughin and having fun rather than its fn windy out here I wish I had the right tool for the job! > San Pedro sailing for 50 years. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Sobel > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing(Eric) > > > > > Eric, > Yassou, the perennial winner here used to have a 170 Genoa that it's original owner used to slay the fleet, but the winds average lighter here than San Pedro area with its Hurricane Gulch. My Santana 20 Genoa works out to a 134 but this year I wish I had a 155 most of the time. Me crew is now disabled (torn rotator cuff left arm, and ow broken bone spur in left shoulder) and can only use half of one arm, and I broke down and used my antique winch handle Tuesday night ( brown thingies that go clicky clack, with a drop pins, heavy crome bars and a teak handles....and counter rotating!!!..how kuel is that? Wooohooo!) > But the 134 works out to a great multi purpose size. If you get one built you may consider one with hi tech fibers like we waz talkin' 'bout the other day, or, get a big laminate jib off a boat with a serious racing program, and have it cut down and altered, as I'm considering doing. I'll die of old age before Minney's has the right size sail for me antique boat. > BTW, Joe, you're Cal 34 Yassou was lookin' good Tuesday night with it's brand new color matched green and yeller kite...too bad I came from behind and corrected out ahead of you...ok...not too bad for ME!! I Would have taken first place if that J-120 wasn't out there to make all of us look foolish. Those boats come with their own invisible wind generators, like them A class cats. and 5.70's (we had a pair of them too, Tuesday nite) > With a modern roller furling and padded luff you should be able to modulate you Jib area and live in the best of all worlds, but for me, that would be against my religion. I delight in doing well in a derelict boat flying rags. Shame on me! > > Jerry > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Fred Haas <calsailorfred@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > > > Eric, > Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. > I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. > Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. > Good Luck. > > Fred Haas > 3-30 Nemesis > Tacoma > > > > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: > > > > > > Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. > > > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? > > If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. > > We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. > > Hope that helps - > Dyer > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. > > I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. > > I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. > > Regards, > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com >

There is a Cal-34 owner near you who used to be on this list named Odin. He really likes Elliott/Pattison. I get their newsletter and have traded a few emails and they seem on the up and up to me as well. It has been said that in SF Bay, where I sail, you only need two sails, the biggest one you can find and the smallest and you might have to switch from one to the other quickly. We raced Tuesday night and had winds from 0 in leg 2 to 25 in leg 4. We didn't much like the 90 we had up when the wind was dead but were overpowered with a 90 on the last leg. My 130 sits in the bag almost all the time. But LA is definitely different so go with local knowledge. EP should be a great source for advice even if you end up going with someone else. Definitely worth talking to them. Oh, and I measured 42 knots in the slip this afternoon. The bay looked like a washing machine with too much Tide. Allen On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM, ericpaulsen1 <er… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > ** > > > Thanks everyone, your comments are very helpful. > > @Fred, Gerry, Dyer: it turns out we do have a roller furling system so I > am thinking a 130 is sounding like the best selection and if the wind picks > up I can put a wrap or two. I will keep my eyes peeled for a 110-95% at > Minney's but I am not going to hold my breath. > > @Mark: thanks for the heads up about the Long Beach and San Pedro winds. I > have sailed a fair amount out of Newport and Dana Point but the winds were > always very light. I like LB much better. > > I have been talking with Elliott/Pattison and I am getting a good feeling > about them. Anyone have any other suggestions for the SoCal area? > > Thanks, > Eric > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" > <masconsult@...> wrote: > > > > Eric, I live in San Pedro, just over the bridges from Long Beach. Have > done a fair amount of racing out of Long Beach. Typically the wind is not > as power packed in Long Beach, however it can get a blowing from the West > (Hurricane Gulch) into LB at 24 knots outer breakwater. So, If you are > racing with crew, the 145-155 is a good choice. If you are cruzing to > Catalina with out racing 3-5 crew members, then go with a furling 125 and > reef the main if weather deteriorates. I was happy with a 110 RF Jib going > to Catalina. Why? because when the wind cranks up your laughin and having > fun rather than its fn windy out here I wish I had the right tool for the > job! > > San Pedro sailing for 50 years. > > Mark > > Cal 2-29 > > San Pedro > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gerald Sobel > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing(Eric) > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > Yassou, the perennial winner here used to have a 170 Genoa that it's > original owner used to slay the fleet, but the winds average lighter here > than San Pedro area with its Hurricane Gulch. My Santana 20 Genoa works out > to a 134 but this year I wish I had a 155 most of the time. Me crew is now > disabled (torn rotator cuff left arm, and ow broken bone spur in left > shoulder) and can only use half of one arm, and I broke down and used my > antique winch handle Tuesday night ( brown thingies that go clicky clack, > with a drop pins, heavy crome bars and a teak handles....and counter > rotating!!!..how kuel is that? Wooohooo!) > > But the 134 works out to a great multi purpose size. If you get one > built you may consider one with hi tech fibers like we waz talkin' 'bout > the other day, or, get a big laminate jib off a boat with a serious racing > program, and have it cut down and altered, as I'm considering doing. I'll > die of old age before Minney's has the right size sail for me antique boat. > > BTW, Joe, you're Cal 34 Yassou was lookin' good Tuesday night with it's > brand new color matched green and yeller kite...too bad I came from behind > and corrected out ahead of you...ok...not too bad for ME!! I Would have > taken first place if that J-120 wasn't out there to make all of us look > foolish. Those boats come with their own invisible wind generators, like > them A class cats. and 5.70's (we had a pair of them too, Tuesday nite) > > With a modern roller furling and padded luff you should be able to > modulate you Jib area and live in the best of all worlds, but for me, that > would be against my religion. I delight in doing well in a derelict boat > flying rags. Shame on me! > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Fred Haas <calsailorfred@...> > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. > > I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every > penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 > drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just > the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage > you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That > one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will > make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without > it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your > hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality > sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You > make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have > to whine a little. It depends on the market. > > Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial > dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron > headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by > the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do > with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and > Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on > Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in > the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any > rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a > fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most > folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. > > Good Luck. > > > > Fred Haas > > 3-30 Nemesis > > Tacoma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): > a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for > sailing around SF bay. > > > > > > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more > typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? > > > > If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would > want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off > shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm > jib as a 2nd sail. > > > > We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility > and we are not in a hurry. > > > > Hope that helps - > > Dyer > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > > > > Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we > have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty > tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I > can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as > an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. > > > > I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 > knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a > 120% or a 130% might be a good size. > > > > I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. > > > > Regards, > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > >

Allen, cool. When I'm up near Palo Alto I'll bring my laundry along and something that works well in salt water. Captain Cook had a formula for that, but I can't say it in public. Jerry From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 34 jib sizing(Eric) There is a Cal-34 owner near you who used to be on this list named Odin. He really likes Elliott/Pattison. I get their newsletter and have traded a few emails and they seem on the up and up to me as well. It has been said that in SF Bay, where I sail, you only need two sails, the biggest one you can find and the smallest and you might have to switch from one to the other quickly. We raced Tuesday night and had winds from 0 in leg 2 to 25 in leg 4. We didn't much like the 90 we had up when the wind was dead but were overpowered with a 90 on the last leg. My 130 sits in the bag almost all the time. But LA is definitely different so go with local knowledge. EP should be a great source for advice even if you end up going with someone else. Definitely worth talking to them. Oh, and I measured 42 knots in the slip this afternoon. The bay looked like a washing machine with too much Tide. Allen On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM, ericpaulsen1 <er… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >Thanks everyone, your comments are very helpful. > >@Fred, Gerry, Dyer: it turns out we do have a roller furling system so I am thinking a 130 is sounding like the best selection and if the wind picks up I can put a wrap or two. I will keep my eyes peeled for a 110-95% at Minney's but I am not going to hold my breath. > >@Mark: thanks for the heads up about the Long Beach and San Pedro winds. I have sailed a fair amount out of Newport and Dana Point but the winds were always very light. I like LB much better. > >I have been talking with Elliott/Pattison and I am getting a good feeling about them. Anyone have any other suggestions for the SoCal area? > >Thanks, >Eric > > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@...> wrote: >> >> Eric, I live in San Pedro, just over the bridges from Long Beach. Have done a fair amount of racing out of Long Beach. Typically the wind is not as power packed in Long Beach, however it can get a blowing from the West (Hurricane Gulch) into LB at 24 knots outer breakwater. So, If you are racing with crew, the 145-155 is a good choice. If you are cruzing to Catalina with out racing 3-5 crew members, then go with a furling 125 and reef the main if weather deteriorates. I was happy with a 110 RF Jib going to Catalina. Why? because when the wind cranks up your laughin and having fun rather than its fn windy out here I wish I had the right tool for the job! >> San Pedro sailing for 50 years. >> Mark >> Cal 2-29 >> San Pedro >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gerald Sobel >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing(Eric) >> >> >> >> >> Eric, >> Yassou, the perennial winner here used to have a 170 Genoa that it's original owner used to slay the fleet, but the winds average lighter here than San Pedro area with its Hurricane Gulch. My Santana 20 Genoa works out to a 134 but this year I wish I had a 155 most of the time. Me crew is now disabled (torn rotator cuff left arm, and ow broken bone spur in left shoulder) and can only use half of one arm, and I broke down and used my antique winch handle Tuesday night ( brown thingies that go clicky clack, with a drop pins, heavy crome bars and a teak handles....and counter rotating!!!..how kuel is that? Wooohooo!) >> But the 134 works out to a great multi purpose size. If you get one built you may consider one with hi tech fibers like we waz talkin' 'bout the other day, or, get a big laminate jib off a boat with a serious racing program, and have it cut down and altered, as I'm considering doing. I'll die of old age before Minney's has the right size sail for me antique boat. >> BTW, Joe, you're Cal 34 Yassou was lookin' good Tuesday night with it's brand new color matched green and yeller kite...too bad I came from behind and corrected out ahead of you...ok...not too bad for ME!! I Would have taken first place if that J-120 wasn't out there to make all of us look foolish. Those boats come with their own invisible wind generators, like them A class cats. and 5.70's (we had a pair of them too, Tuesday nite) >> With a modern roller furling and padded luff you should be able to modulate you Jib area and live in the best of all worlds, but for me, that would be against my religion. I delight in doing well in a derelict boat flying rags. Shame on me! >> >> Jerry >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> From: Fred Haas <calsailorfred@...> > >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing >> >> >> >> >> Eric, >> Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. >> I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. >> Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. >> Good Luck. >> >> Fred Haas >> 3-30 Nemesis >> Tacoma >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. >> >> >> Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? >> >> If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. >> >> We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. >> >> Hope that helps - >> Dyer >> >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing >> >> >> Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. >> >> I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. >> >> I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. >> >> Regards, >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> > >

I just received a beautiful 150 genny for our '77 2-29 with a harken roller from Elliot/Pattison a couple of months ago. I like it so much that I'm now waiting for a new main from them, too. Skip Elliot is a great guy and has taken good care of me. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "ericpaulsen1" <ericpaulsen1@...> wrote: > > Thanks everyone, your comments are very helpful. > > @Fred, Gerry, Dyer: it turns out we do have a roller furling system so I am thinking a 130 is sounding like the best selection and if the wind picks up I can put a wrap or two. I will keep my eyes peeled for a 110-95% at Minney's but I am not going to hold my breath. > > @Mark: thanks for the heads up about the Long Beach and San Pedro winds. I have sailed a fair amount out of Newport and Dana Point but the winds were always very light. I like LB much better. > > I have been talking with Elliott/Pattison and I am getting a good feeling about them. Anyone have any other suggestions for the SoCal area? > > Thanks, > Eric > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@> wrote: > > > > Eric, I live in San Pedro, just over the bridges from Long Beach. Have done a fair amount of racing out of Long Beach. Typically the wind is not as power packed in Long Beach, however it can get a blowing from the West (Hurricane Gulch) into LB at 24 knots outer breakwater. So, If you are racing with crew, the 145-155 is a good choice. If you are cruzing to Catalina with out racing 3-5 crew members, then go with a furling 125 and reef the main if weather deteriorates. I was happy with a 110 RF Jib going to Catalina. Why? because when the wind cranks up your laughin and having fun rather than its fn windy out here I wish I had the right tool for the job! > > San Pedro sailing for 50 years. > > Mark > > Cal 2-29 > > San Pedro > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gerald Sobel > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing(Eric) > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > Yassou, the perennial winner here used to have a 170 Genoa that it's original owner used to slay the fleet, but the winds average lighter here than San Pedro area with its Hurricane Gulch. My Santana 20 Genoa works out to a 134 but this year I wish I had a 155 most of the time. Me crew is now disabled (torn rotator cuff left arm, and ow broken bone spur in left shoulder) and can only use half of one arm, and I broke down and used my antique winch handle Tuesday night ( brown thingies that go clicky clack, with a drop pins, heavy crome bars and a teak handles....and counter rotating!!!..how kuel is that? Wooohooo!) > > But the 134 works out to a great multi purpose size. If you get one built you may consider one with hi tech fibers like we waz talkin' 'bout the other day, or, get a big laminate jib off a boat with a serious racing program, and have it cut down and altered, as I'm considering doing. I'll die of old age before Minney's has the right size sail for me antique boat. > > BTW, Joe, you're Cal 34 Yassou was lookin' good Tuesday night with it's brand new color matched green and yeller kite...too bad I came from behind and corrected out ahead of you...ok...not too bad for ME!! I Would have taken first place if that J-120 wasn't out there to make all of us look foolish. Those boats come with their own invisible wind generators, like them A class cats. and 5.70's (we had a pair of them too, Tuesday nite) > > With a modern roller furling and padded luff you should be able to modulate you Jib area and live in the best of all worlds, but for me, that would be against my religion. I delight in doing well in a derelict boat flying rags. Shame on me! > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Fred Haas <calsailorfred@> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > Congratulations on your 3-34. They are very nice boats. > > I'm no sail maker, but I'll offer free advice, which is worth every penny it costs. I agree that your 160 is probably too large. I have a 170 drifter that is quite useless unless ghosting off the wind. If it's just the two of you, and you're not racing, or even if you are, I'd encourage you to bite the bullet and get a roller furler with about a 135 on it. That one sail will do almost anything you want it to do, and roller furling will make the boat so easy to use you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. Now, I realize that I blithely just suggested spending $5,000 of your hard earned money, but you'll be glad you did. SoCal is full of quality sail makers and one of them is going to offer you a screaming deal. You make have to wait for the boat show season to get it, or you may just have to whine a little. It depends on the market. > > Nemesis has a Harken #1 furler and mainly flies the 155 Doyle triradial dacron sail that was made for her in 1991. She has a full suit of dacron headsails from the 80's, mostly unused since the furler was installed by the previous owner. I mostly singlehand, and simply couldn't do what I do with hank on sails. In 18 years, I have sailed alone in the San juan and Gulf Islands, and as far north as Desolation Sound. I sail year-round on Puget Sound in all but the worst weather. I seldom reef the main, never in the conditions you prefer, and can keep the boat on her feet in any rational weather. My genoa is getting tired, and has a 12' repair from a fit of exuberance several years ago, but it still gets me there before most folks. And she's still the prettiest girl at the dance in my eyes. > > Good Luck. > > > > Fred Haas > > 3-30 Nemesis > > Tacoma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dylan Crouch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Our Cal 2-30 came from the previous owner with 3 (other than the main): a storm jib, a 95% jib & a 130% genoa. So far these have been great for sailing around SF bay. > > > > > > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think 160% and up is more typical to a gennaker or asymmetrical spinnaker? > > > > If it were me looking at sails for the wind range you mentioned, I would want a 95-110% jib & a 2nd would be a 130% genoa. Unless you are going off shore in sometimes sketchy conditions in which case I would have a storm jib as a 2nd sail. > > > > We usually use the 95% even in light winds as we have better visibility and we are not in a hurry. > > > > Hope that helps - > > Dyer > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ericpaulsen1 > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:06 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 34 jib sizing > > > > > > Hi all. My wife and I just recently purchased a 1977 Cal 34-3 and we have been thoroughly enjoying it. The sails however are looking pretty tired and clearly came off another boat. The genoa is huge and from what I can see is in the neighborhood of 165%. I believe it is too big to use as an everyday sail and really doesn't fit well with the sheet blocks, etc. > > > > I am considering purchasing a new sail that would be good for the 5-20 knot wind range that we typically see here in Long Beach. I am thinking a 120% or a 130% might be a good size. > > > > I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone may have on this. > > > > Regards, > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7146 (20120517) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > >