RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew

Scott, my take on it is that sailing/crewing is a team sport. Teamwork means a lot. First thing I look for is faithfulness, and then I provide training. I would rather have a small pool of regulars who can work together than a large pool of occasional folks. Hard to find the faithful people, but worth the effort, I believe. Maybe I am being unrealistic in these modern times. Bigger boats have it easier if they have a core team. The rest can be rail meat and gofers. At 25 to 30 feet the team is 4-5 and all must have some knowledge and ability to work together. Of course, you can carry an extra person to stare at all those read-outs and mess with electronics. All the stuff I don’t have. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. Thanks Jerry. I will look into those resources. I have always relied on friends and friends of friends. So far that hasn't made enough contacts to keep a large enough pool. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:19 AM Scott, Finding Crew is a good subject for discussion. There are various sailing websites (Is sailing anarchy one of them?) and yacht clubs have bulletin boards, and non landed sailing clubs. In San Francisco Latitude 38 has meet new crew/ owner parties a couple of times a year. Here in Marina del Rey they used to have a freebee magazine with a crew available/crew wanted classified listing. I've also seen listings on Craigs List in the boats for sale/sailboats for sale list. Jerry From: scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. It is a great article. I found it really hard to find crew over the years with a Cal20 and now a Cal29. That is the biggest resason I went to Single Handed racing. That and it is either all my fault or all my glory. I would love to race more with crew it just seems like so much work to get them and then many seem to bail the night before if conditions aren't just right. It seems to be different for the captains that have that $200K+ boat. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:26 PM Read about Charlie: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/12/0511/ From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)<http://us.mc1812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hu… [at] bah.com> To: CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com)<http://us.mc1812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com%29> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] April Fool or...

Speaking of crew, I'm thinking of doing the Corinthian Cup this weekend. It's from Marina del Rey to King Harbor on Sat, overnite at King Harbor and dinner at the Redondo Beach Y.C.(BBQ that can't be beat) and race back on Sunday and another BBQ at the Corintian Y.C. in G Basin. My regular crew does a Sunday service for the folks at a retirement home, and can't do the race back. Anyone interested in any or both legs? It's a fun coastal race. Jerry Cal 24 Mk 1 Shpritz. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew Scott, my take on it is that sailing/crewing is a team sport. Teamwork means a lot. First thing I look for is faithfulness, and then I provide training. I would rather have a small pool of regulars who can work together than a large pool of occasional folks. Hard to find the faithful people, but worth the effort, I believe. Maybe I am being unrealistic in these modern times. Bigger boats have it easier if they have a core team. The rest can be rail meat and gofers. At 25 to 30 feet the team is 4-5 and all must have some knowledge and ability to work together. Of course, you can carry an extra person to stare at all those read-outs and mess with electronics. All the stuff I don’t have. Cheers Charlie From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. Thanks Jerry. I will look into those resources. I have always relied on friends and friends of friends. So far that hasn't made enough contacts to keep a large enough pool. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:19 AM > >Scott, Finding Crew is a good subject for discussion. > >There are various sailing websites (Is sailing anarchy one of them?) and yacht clubs have bulletin boards, and non landed sailing clubs. > >In San Francisco Latitude 38 has meet new crew/ owner parties a couple of times a year. > >Here in Marina del Rey they used to have a freebee magazine with a crew available/crew wanted classified listing. I've also seen listings on Craigs List in the boats for sale/sailboats for sale list. >Jerry > > >________________________________ > >From:scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:53 AM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. > > >It is a great article. I found it really hard to find crew over the years with a Cal20 and now a Cal29. That is the biggest resason I went to Single Handed racing. That and it is either all my fault or all my glory. I would love to race more with crew it just seems like so much work to get them and then many seem to bail the night before if conditions aren't just right. It seems to be different for the captains that have that $200K+ boat. >Scott >Cal29 >Hatikvah > >--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: > >>From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:26 PM >> >>Read about Charlie: >> >>http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/12/0511/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From:Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) >>>To:CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) >>>Sent:Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:00 AM >>>Subject:[Cal_Boats] April Fool or...

I totally agree about the faithfull crew. There has been times when I had a season or two of people that were faithful and had a decent knowledge of sailing. I was really in the learning the racing thing at the same time. Maybe because we didn't really do all that well that people lose interest. Thanks for the replies about getting and keeping crew. Maybe I will give it more attention and get back into some crewed races. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 1:20 PM Scott, my take on it is that sailing/crewing is a team sport. Teamwork means a lot. First thing I look for is faithfulness, and then I provide training. I would rather have a small pool of regulars who can work together than a large pool of occasional folks. Hard to find the faithful people, but worth the effort, I believe. Maybe I am being unrealistic in these modern times. Bigger boats have it easier if they have a core team. The rest can be rail meat and gofers. At 25 to 30 feet the team is 4-5 and all must have some knowledge and ability to work together. Of course, you can carry an extra person to stare at all those read-outs and mess with electronics. All the stuff I don’t have. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. Thanks Jerry. I will look into those resources. I have always relied on friends and friends of friends. So far that hasn't made enough contacts to keep a large enough pool. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:19 AM Scott, Finding Crew is a good subject for discussion. There are various sailing websites (Is sailing anarchy one of them?) and yacht clubs have bulletin boards, and non landed sailing clubs. In San Francisco Latitude 38 has meet new crew/ owner parties a couple of times a year. Here in Marina del Rey they used to have a freebee magazine with a crew available/crew wanted classified listing. I've also seen listings on Craigs List in the boats for sale/sailboats for sale list. Jerry From: scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. It is a great article. I found it really hard to find crew over the years with a Cal20 and now a Cal29. That is the biggest resason I went to Single Handed racing. That and it is either all my fault or all my glory. I would love to race more with crew it just seems like so much work to get them and then many seem to bail the night before if conditions aren't just right. It seems to be different for the captains that have that $200K+ boat. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:26 PM Read about Charlie: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/12/0511/ From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) To: CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] April Fool or...

Scott, one last item. Personality and compatibility really matter. By definition, you can’t get more than 29 feet away from a person on your boat. I do take faithful, compatible, and trainable over the occasional rock star (or at least they think they are) any time. Ain’t easy. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:25 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew I totally agree about the faithfull crew. There has been times when I had a season or two of people that were faithful and had a decent knowledge of sailing. I was really in the learning the racing thing at the same time. Maybe because we didn't really do all that well that people lose interest. Thanks for the replies about getting and keeping crew. Maybe I will give it more attention and get back into some crewed races. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 1:20 PM Scott, my take on it is that sailing/crewing is a team sport. Teamwork means a lot. First thing I look for is faithfulness, and then I provide training. I would rather have a small pool of regulars who can work together than a large pool of occasional folks. Hard to find the faithful people, but worth the effort, I believe. Maybe I am being unrealistic in these modern times. Bigger boats have it easier if they have a core team. The rest can be rail meat and gofers. At 25 to 30 feet the team is 4-5 and all must have some knowledge and ability to work together. Of course, you can carry an extra person to stare at all those read-outs and mess with electronics. All the stuff I don’t have. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. Thanks Jerry. I will look into those resources. I have always relied on friends and friends of friends. So far that hasn't made enough contacts to keep a large enough pool. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:19 AM Scott, Finding Crew is a good subject for discussion. There are various sailing websites (Is sailing anarchy one of them?) and yacht clubs have bulletin boards, and non landed sailing clubs. In San Francisco Latitude 38 has meet new crew/ owner parties a couple of times a year. Here in Marina del Rey they used to have a freebee magazine with a crew available/crew wanted classified listing. I've also seen listings on Craigs List in the boats for sale/sailboats for sale list. Jerry From: scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. It is a great article. I found it really hard to find crew over the years with a Cal20 and now a Cal29. That is the biggest resason I went to Single Handed racing. That and it is either all my fault or all my glory. I would love to race more with crew it just seems like so much work to get them and then many seem to bail the night before if conditions aren't just right. It seems to be different for the captains that have that $200K+ boat. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:26 PM Read about Charlie: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/12/0511/ From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)<http://us.mc1812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hu… [at] bah.com> To: CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com)<http://us.mc1812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com%29> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] April Fool or...

Charlie - Personality is most important to me. You can always train a nice person to be sailor but you're not likely to change a talented asshole into a nice guy ;-) As Burt Reynolds reportedly said to Clint Eastwood . . . "I can learn to act but you'll always be ugly". Paul From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 25, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew Scott, one last item. Personality and compatibility really matter. By definition, you can’t get more than 29 feet away from a person on your boat. I do take faithful, compatible, and trainable over the occasional rock star (or at least they think they are) any time. Ain’t easy. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:25 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew I totally agree about the faithfull crew. There has been times when I had a season or two of people that were faithful and had a decent knowledge of sailing. I was really in the learning the racing thing at the same time. Maybe because we didn't really do all that well that people lose interest. Thanks for the replies about getting and keeping crew. Maybe I will give it more attention and get back into some crewed races. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 1:20 PM Scott, my take on it is that sailing/crewing is a team sport. Teamwork means a lot. First thing I look for is faithfulness, and then I provide training. I would rather have a small pool of regulars who can work together than a large pool of occasional folks. Hard to find the faithful people, but worth the effort, I believe. Maybe I am being unrealistic in these modern times. Bigger boats have it easier if they have a core team. The rest can be rail meat and gofers. At 25 to 30 feet the team is 4-5 and all must have some knowledge and ability to work together. Of course, you can carry an extra person to stare at all those read-outs and mess with electronics. All the stuff I don’t have. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scott cyphers Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. Thanks Jerry. I will look into those resources. I have always relied on friends and friends of friends. So far that hasn't made enough contacts to keep a large enough pool. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:19 AM Scott, Finding Crew is a good subject for discussion. There are various sailing websites (Is sailing anarchy one of them?) and yacht clubs have bulletin boards, and non landed sailing clubs. In San Francisco Latitude 38 has meet new crew/ owner parties a couple of times a year. Here in Marina del Rey they used to have a freebee magazine with a crew available/crew wanted classified listing. I've also seen listings on Craigs List in the boats for sale/sailboats for sale list. Jerry From: scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. It is a great article. I found it really hard to find crew over the years with a Cal20 and now a Cal29. That is the biggest resason I went to Single Handed racing. That and it is either all my fault or all my glory. I would love to race more with crew it just seems like so much work to get them and then many seem to bail the night before if conditions aren't just right. It seems to be different for the captains that have that $200K+ boat. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:26 PM Read about Charlie: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/12/0511/ From:Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) To:CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] April Fool or...

Scott, do you have "Cruiser Class" racing where you are? It allows people with older and sub-par (like me, hand me down sails, or sails that are 50 years old) and roll on bottoms with chipped paint, to be competitive. Also, I read Walkers "Manual of Sail Trim" after this Walter Mitty America's Cup Skipper came in last in the Home Port Regatta. Jerry From: scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew I totally agree about the faithfull crew. There has been times when I had a season or two of people that were faithful and had a decent knowledge of sailing. I was really in the learning the racing thing at the same time. Maybe because we didn't really do all that well that people lose interest. Thanks for the replies about getting and keeping crew. Maybe I will give it more attention and get back into some crewed races. Scott Cal29 Hatikvah --- On Thu, 5/24/12, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 1:20 PM > > > >Scott, my take on it is that sailing/crewing is a team sport. Teamwork means a lot. First thing I look for is faithfulness, and then I provide training. I would rather have a small pool of regulars who can work together than a large pool of occasional folks. Hard to find the faithful people, but worth the effort, I believe. Maybe I am being unrealistic in these modern times. Bigger boats have it easier if they have a core team. The rest can be rail meat and gofers. At 25 to 30 feet the team is 4-5 and all must have some knowledge and ability to work together. > >Of course, you can carry an extra person to stare at all those read-outs and mess with electronics. All the stuff I don’t have. > >Cheers >Charlie > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott cyphers >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:54 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. > > > > > >Thanks Jerry. I will look into those resources. I have always relied on friends and friends of friends. So far that hasn't made enough contacts to keep a large enough pool. >Scott >Cal29 >Hatikvah > >--- On Thu, 5/24/12, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >>From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Finding crew, was: Charlie Husar. >>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:19 AM >> >>Scott, Finding Crew is a good subject for discussion. >> >>There are various sailing websites (Is sailing anarchy one of them?) and yacht clubs have bulletin boards, and non landed sailing clubs. >> >>In San Francisco Latitude 38 has meet new crew/ owner parties a couple of times a year. >> >>Here in Marina del Rey they used to have a freebee magazine with a crew available/crew wanted classified listing. I've also seen listings on Craigs List in the boats for sale/sailboats for sale list. >>Jerry >> >> >>________________________________ >> >>From:scott cyphers <sc… [at] sbcglobal.net> >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. >> >> >>It is a great article. I found it really hard to find crew over the years with a Cal20 and now a Cal29. That is the biggest resason I went to Single Handed racing. That and it is either all my fault or all my glory. I would love to race more with crew it just seems like so much work to get them and then many seem to bail the night before if conditions aren't just right. It seems to be different for the captains that have that $200K+ boat. >>Scott >>Cal29 >>Hatikvah >> >>--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: >> >>>From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> >>>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Charlie Husar. >>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:26 PM >>> >>>Read about Charlie: >>> >>>http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/12/0511/ >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From:Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) >>>To:CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) >>>Sent:Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:00 AM >>>Subject:[Cal_Boats] April Fool or... > > > > > > >