Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale

As far as I know......... timeline is approximate, willing to be corrected! 1) 27 (AKA Pop-Top) 2) T/2 (think the 27 and T/2 may have overlapped? both in production for a while?) 3) 2-27 (later called "CAL 27" 4) 3-27 (AKA CAL 27-III) All were C.William Lapworth designs. Timeline: 1971-7? CAL 27, 1972-? T/2, 1973-1979 (-1982?) 2-27, 1983-85 27-III Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:52:22 -0400 Chris H <ch… [at] gmail.com> writes: In terms of build history which one came first.? r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: hence, the T/2!!!! To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale I think you are right Reg. The only short commings from my perspective is the side decks on both the 27/29 are too narrow to allow easy access forward. You need to get up on the coach roof and that can be tricky in bad weather. /ch r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: I don't believe it is a 2-27 if it is 5400 lbs. that was the displacement of the pop-top original 27 and the T/2. Nor would it be a 27 mark III. Reggie To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ne… [at] hotmail.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:33:26 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale Hi everyone! Saw this nice Cal 2-27 on the hard for sale, if anyone is interested, the link is below. Hope to have more pics later! http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/3285373613.html Have a great day and all be safe Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY -- Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/505e52d958f6f52d94eb2st03duc

"Bill Lapworth designed the Cal 2-27 in 1973 for Jensen Marine (also known as Cal-Boats) in Costa Mesa, California., which produced the boat from 1974 to 1980. The 2-27 followed the original Cal 27, a boat with a pop-top cabin-house and less than stellar performance. The successor offered 4 inches more beam and 5 inches less DWL but 1,300 pounds more displacement. Cal Boats already had success with the Cal 29, but looked for a similar design that was smaller and more in tune with the struggling economy. Later, Lapworth designed the Cal 3-27, which was launched in 1983 and underwent a rather confusing name change back to Cal 27 before it was taken off the assembly line in 1985." --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rodney G. Johnson" <rjohnson24@...> wrote: > > As far as I know......... timeline is approximate, willing to be > corrected! > 1) 27 (AKA Pop-Top) > 2) T/2 (think the 27 and T/2 may have overlapped? both in production for > a while?) > 3) 2-27 (later called "CAL 27" > 4) 3-27 (AKA CAL 27-III) > All were C.William Lapworth designs. > > Timeline: 1971-7? CAL 27, 1972-? T/2, 1973-1979 (-1982?) 2-27, 1983-85 > 27-III > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II > former co-owner of "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:52:22 -0400 Chris H <chris.herrnberger@...> > writes: > > In terms of build history which one came first.? > > > r good <my1972ih@...> wrote: > hence, the T/2!!!! > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: chris.herrnberger@... > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:49:24 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > I think you are right Reg. The only short commings from my perspective is > the side decks on both the 27/29 are too narrow to allow easy access > forward. You need to get up on the coach roof and that can be tricky in > bad weather. > > /ch > > > r good <my1972ih@...> wrote: > I don't believe it is a 2-27 if it is 5400 lbs. that was the > displacement of the pop-top original 27 and the T/2. Nor would it be a > 27 mark III. > Reggie > > > > > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: newyork1952@... > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:33:26 +0000 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > Hi everyone! > > Saw this nice Cal 2-27 on the hard for sale, if anyone is interested, the > link is below. Hope to have more pics later! > > http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/3285373613.html > > > Have a great day and all be safe > > Jim Ives - Kool Beans > Rochester, NY > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/505e52d958f6f52d94eb2st03duc >

We have a 1977 Cal 2-27 w/ atomic 4 in it (gasoline). I have owners manual and a few other original documents. I fell in love with her 1st visit regardless of being highly neglected. Regards, Rebecca --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "kenson1974" <drea7467@...> wrote: > > "Bill Lapworth designed the Cal 2-27 in 1973 for Jensen Marine (also known as Cal-Boats) in Costa Mesa, California., which produced the boat from 1974 to 1980. The 2-27 followed the original Cal 27, a boat with a pop-top cabin-house and less than stellar performance. The successor offered 4 inches more beam and 5 inches less DWL but 1,300 pounds more displacement. Cal Boats already had success with the Cal 29, but looked for a similar design that was smaller and more in tune with the struggling economy. Later, Lapworth designed the Cal 3-27, which was launched in 1983 and underwent a rather confusing name change back to Cal 27 before it was taken off the assembly line in 1985." > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rodney G. Johnson" <rjohnson24@> wrote: > > > > As far as I know......... timeline is approximate, willing to be > > corrected! > > 1) 27 (AKA Pop-Top) > > 2) T/2 (think the 27 and T/2 may have overlapped? both in production for > > a while?) > > 3) 2-27 (later called "CAL 27" > > 4) 3-27 (AKA CAL 27-III) > > All were C.William Lapworth designs. > > > > Timeline: 1971-7? CAL 27, 1972-? T/2, 1973-1979 (-1982?) 2-27, 1983-85 > > 27-III > > > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > former co-owner of "NODROG" > > 1970 CAL 21 > > > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:52:22 -0400 Chris H <chris.herrnberger@> > > writes: > > > > In terms of build history which one came first.? > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > hence, the T/2!!!! > > > > > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: chris.herrnberger@ > > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:49:24 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > > > > I think you are right Reg. The only short commings from my perspective is > > the side decks on both the 27/29 are too narrow to allow easy access > > forward. You need to get up on the coach roof and that can be tricky in > > bad weather. > > > > /ch > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > I don't believe it is a 2-27 if it is 5400 lbs. that was the > > displacement of the pop-top original 27 and the T/2. Nor would it be a > > 27 mark III. > > Reggie > > > > > > > > > > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: newyork1952@ > > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:33:26 +0000 > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > Saw this nice Cal 2-27 on the hard for sale, if anyone is interested, the > > link is below. Hope to have more pics later! > > > > http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/3285373613.html > > > > > > Have a great day and all be safe > > > > Jim Ives - Kool Beans > > Rochester, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/505e52d958f6f52d94eb2st03duc > > >

Doesn't the original Cal 27 have a lower PHRF than the second version? With less weight, a longer waterline .length it should be faster, alto it has a certain lack of head room below without popping the top. I guess that's the reason for the T-2 and the 2-27, more liveable designs for those spending more time below deck. I kinda like the older boat's looks, and it's hull shape. But the second version does have a more classic look, and side decks, which is nice. Jerry --- On Sat, 9/22/12, kenson1974 <dr… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: kenson1974 <dr… [at] gmail.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 2-27 for sale To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 6:04 PM We have a 1977 Cal 2-27 w/ atomic 4 in it (gasoline). I have owners manual and a few other original documents. I fell in love with her 1st visit regardless of being highly neglected. Regards, Rebecca --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "kenson1974" <drea7467@...> wrote: > > "Bill Lapworth designed the Cal 2-27 in 1973 for Jensen Marine (also known as Cal-Boats) in Costa Mesa, California., which produced the boat from 1974 to 1980. The 2-27 followed the original Cal 27, a boat with a pop-top cabin-house and less than stellar performance. The successor offered 4 inches more beam and 5 inches less DWL but 1,300 pounds more displacement. Cal Boats already had success with the Cal 29, but looked for a similar design that was smaller and more in tune with the struggling economy. Later, Lapworth designed the Cal 3-27, which was launched in 1983 and underwent a rather confusing name change back to Cal 27 before it was taken off the assembly line in 1985." > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rodney G. Johnson" <rjohnson24@> wrote: > > > > As far as I know......... timeline is approximate, willing to be > > corrected! > > 1) 27 (AKA Pop-Top) > > 2) T/2 (think the 27 and T/2 may have overlapped? both in production for > > a while?) > > 3) 2-27 (later called "CAL 27" > > 4) 3-27 (AKA CAL 27-III) > > All were C.William Lapworth designs. > > > > Timeline: 1971-7? CAL 27, 1972-? T/2, 1973-1979 (-1982?) 2-27, 1983-85 > > 27-III > > > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > former co-owner of "NODROG" > > 1970 CAL 21 > > > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:52:22 -0400 Chris H <chris.herrnberger@> > > writes: > > > > In terms of build history which one came first.? > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > hence, the T/2!!!! > > > > > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: chris.herrnberger@ > > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:49:24 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > > > > I think you are right Reg. The only short commings from my perspective is > > the side decks on both the 27/29 are too narrow to allow easy access > > forward. You need to get up on the coach roof and that can be tricky in > > bad weather. > > > > /ch > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > I don't believe it is a 2-27 if it is 5400 lbs. that was the > > displacement of the pop-top original 27 and the T/2. Nor would it be a > > 27 mark III. > > Reggie > > > > > > > > > > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: newyork1952@ > > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:33:26 +0000 > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > Saw this nice Cal 2-27 on the hard for sale, if anyone is interested, the > > link is below. Hope to have more pics later! > > > > http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/3285373613.html > > > > > > Have a great day and all be safe > > > > Jim Ives - Kool Beans > > Rochester, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/505e52d958f6f52d94eb2st03duc > > >

Mike Harris and I sailed his 27 pop-top from the Isthmus at Catalina back to Marina Del Rey. Probably 10 to 12 knots breeze and she sailed like a witch. I was very impressed. The 2-27 is a nicer boat all around, with headroom and accommodations, but I can't imagine it out-sailing the original 27. Wilkie On Sep 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Doesn't the original Cal 27 have a lower PHRF than the second version? With less weight, a longer waterline .length it should be faster, alto it has a certain lack of head room below without popping the top. I guess that's the reason for the T-2 and the 2-27, more liveable designs for those spending more time below deck. I kinda like the older boat's looks, and it's hull shape. But the second version does have a more classic look, and side decks, which is nice. > Jerry > > --- On Sat, 9/22/12, kenson1974 <dr… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > From: kenson1974 <dr… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 2-27 for sale > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 6:04 PM > > We have a 1977 Cal 2-27 w/ atomic 4 in it (gasoline). I have owners manual and a few other original documents. I fell in love with her 1st visit regardless of being highly neglected. > > Regards, > Rebecca > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "kenson1974" <drea7467@...> wrote: > > > > "Bill Lapworth designed the Cal 2-27 in 1973 for Jensen Marine (also known as Cal-Boats) in Costa Mesa, California., which produced the boat from 1974 to 1980. The 2-27 followed the original Cal 27, a boat with a pop-top cabin-house and less than stellar performance. The successor offered 4 inches more beam and 5 inches less DWL but 1,300 pounds more displacement. Cal Boats already had success with the Cal 29, but looked for a similar design that was smaller and more in tune with the struggling economy. Later, Lapworth designed the Cal 3-27, which was launched in 1983 and underwent a rather confusing name change back to Cal 27 before it was taken off the assembly line in 1985." > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rodney G. Johnson" <rjohnson24@> wrote: > > > > > > As far as I know......... timeline is approximate, willing to be > > > corrected! > > > 1) 27 (AKA Pop-Top) > > > 2) T/2 (think the 27 and T/2 may have overlapped? both in production for > > > a while?) > > > 3) 2-27 (later called "CAL 27" > > > 4) 3-27 (AKA CAL 27-III) > > > All were C.William Lapworth designs. > > > > > > Timeline: 1971-7? CAL 27, 1972-? T/2, 1973-1979 (-1982?) 2-27, 1983-85 > > > 27-III > > > > > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > > former co-owner of "NODROG" > > > 1970 CAL 21 > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:52:22 -0400 Chris H <chris.herrnberger@> > > > writes: > > > > > > In terms of build history which one came first.? > > > > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > > hence, the T/2!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > From: chris.herrnberger@ > > > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:49:24 -0400 > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > > > > > > > I think you are right Reg. The only short commings from my perspective is > > > the side decks on both the 27/29 are too narrow to allow easy access > > > forward. You need to get up on the coach roof and that can be tricky in > > > bad weather. > > > > > > /ch > > > > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > > I don't believe it is a 2-27 if it is 5400 lbs. that was the > > > displacement of the pop-top original 27 and the T/2. Nor would it be a > > > 27 mark III. > > > Reggie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > From: newyork1952@ > > > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:33:26 +0000 > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 for sale > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > Saw this nice Cal 2-27 on the hard for sale, if anyone is interested, the > > > link is below. Hope to have more pics later! > > > > > > http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/3285373613.html > > > > > > > > > Have a great day and all be safe > > > > > > Jim Ives - Kool Beans > > > Rochester, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > > > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/505e52d958f6f52d94eb2st03duc > > > > > > > > >