H. I. N. number

I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

Harley nailed it, Tom. There is a trick to making up HINs to satisfy the modern bureaucracies that require them, but I have forgotten the format. We could also make up a modern one (circa 1972) if we know the hull number inside the stern. Are there numbers on your sails? They were often the hull number. Sounds like you would be in the 600s depending on where you live (can tell where the boat was built sometimes based on the hull number. I could probably perform the inspection by placing my hands on the computer screen, since I have seen many CAL 25s inside, out, and even upside down. Even cut up a couple. Is the boat largely original? Take Care Charlie Annapolis CAL 25 Fleet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:04 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

Licensing people in WA created and assigned one for my boat. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Harley nailed it, Tom. There is a trick to making up HINs to satisfy the modern bureaucracies that require them, but I have forgotten the format. We could also make up a modern one (circa 1972) if we know the hull number inside the stern. Are there numbers on your sails? They were often the hull number. Sounds like you would be in the 600s depending on where you live (can tell where the boat was built sometimes based on the hull number. I could probably perform the inspection by placing my hands on the computer screen, since I have seen many CAL 25s inside, out, and even upside down. Even cut up a couple. Is the boat largely original? Take Care Charlie Annapolis CAL 25 Fleet From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:04 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

John, When I bought my 29 it had a made-up hull Id also, but after finding this group and following the discussion I was able to discover the factory ID number, just where it was supposed to be! I since corrected my registration to reflect the factory number. I also am documented with USCG, have that number from the feds, both state and fed show the original number. Regards, David Dobbs CAL 29 411. From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Licensing people in WA created and assigned one for my boat. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Harley nailed it, Tom. There is a trick to making up HINs to satisfy the modern bureaucracies that require them, but I have forgotten the format. We could also make up a modern one (circa 1972) if we know the hull number inside the stern. Are there numbers on your sails? They were often the hull number. Sounds like you would be in the 600s depending on where you live (can tell where the boat was built sometimes based on the hull number. I could probably perform the inspection by placing my hands on the computer screen, since I have seen many CAL 25s inside, out, and even upside down. Even cut up a couple. Is the boat largely original? Take Care Charlie Annapolis CAL 25 Fleet From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:04 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

Hi Tom,, Here is the format for the Hin number that is on the back of Kool Beans. CAB0000000000 CAB = Cal Boats0000 = hull number00 = model year00 = production month00 = production year That format is on the back my 2-29. I'm assuming that formats where different on other boats. I learned that when I aquired a Catalina 38 this year, although the Catalina is a newer boat as well. Hope this helps out. Enjoy your boat! Jim Ives - Kool BeansRochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:39:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number(John) John, When I bought my 29 it had a made-up hull Id also, but after finding this group and following the discussion I was able to discover the factory ID number, just where it was supposed to be! I since corrected my registration to reflect the factory number. I also am documented with USCG, have that number from the feds, both state and fed show the original number. Regards, David Dobbs CAL 29 411. From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Licensing people in WA created and assigned one for my boat. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Harley nailed it, Tom. There is a trick to making up HINs to satisfy the modern bureaucracies that require them, but I have forgotten the format. We could also make up a modern one (circa 1972) if we know the hull number inside the stern. Are there numbers on your sails? They were often the hull number. Sounds like you would be in the 600s depending on where you live (can tell where the boat was built sometimes based on the hull number. I could probably perform the inspection by placing my hands on the computer screen, since I have seen many CAL 25s inside, out, and even upside down. Even cut up a couple. Is the boat largely original? Take Care Charlie Annapolis CAL 25 Fleet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:04 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

Jim, That only works for boats built from 1972 forward. Those of us with earlier years have to rely on the Cal production team's placement of the "hull" number. Usually on the hull inside the starboard lazerette. Ya gotta stick your head in there and look up. That's for a 29. On some of the somewhat smaller Cals it might be on the underside of a drawer. Isn't this fun? Mine is an even number, 411. The first digit matters in this case, means #411 was built in New Jersey. Even digits in NJ, odd in Ca. Makes sense, original owner was from Detroit, raced there, which explains my sail number 5443, 5K series being Detroit back in the day. Chicago was 6 back then, I used to race on an Erickson 35, 6649, which won the Chicago Mackinac Overall Trophy this year. Regards, David Dobbs CAL 29 411 From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number(John) Hi Tom,, Here is the format for the Hin number that is on the back of Kool Beans. CAB0000000000 CAB = Cal Boats 0000 = hull number 00 = model year 00 = production month 00 = production year That format is on the back my 2-29. I'm assuming that formats where different on other boats. I learned that when I aquired a Catalina 38 this year, although the Catalina is a newer boat as well. Hope this helps out. Enjoy your boat! Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:39:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number(John) John, When I bought my 29 it had a made-up hull Id also, but after finding this group and following the discussion I was able to discover the factory ID number, just where it was supposed to be! I since corrected my registration to reflect the factory number. I also am documented with USCG, have that number from the feds, both state and fed show the original number. Regards, David Dobbs CAL 29 411. From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Licensing people in WA created and assigned one for my boat. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Harley nailed it, Tom. There is a trick to making up HINs to satisfy the modern bureaucracies that require them, but I have forgotten the format. We could also make up a modern one (circa 1972) if we know the hull number inside the stern. Are there numbers on your sails? They were often the hull number. Sounds like you would be in the 600s depending on where you live (can tell where the boat was built sometimes based on the hull number. I could probably perform the inspection by placing my hands on the computer screen, since I have seen many CAL 25s inside, out, and even upside down. Even cut up a couple. Is the boat largely original? Take Care Charlie Annapolis CAL 25 Fleet From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:04 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.

The format for the HIN depends on the date of manufacture of the boat. See http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20 <http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf> &%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf Harleigh Ewell From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ives Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:15 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number(John) Hi Tom,, Here is the format for the Hin number that is on the back of Kool Beans. CAB0000000000 CAB = Cal Boats 0000 = hull number 00 = model year 00 = production month 00 = production year That format is on the back my 2-29. I'm assuming that formats where different on other boats. I learned that when I aquired a Catalina 38 this year, although the Catalina is a newer boat as well. Hope this helps out. Enjoy your boat! Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY _____ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: tm… [at] yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:39:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number(John) John, When I bought my 29 it had a made-up hull Id also, but after finding this group and following the discussion I was able to discover the factory ID number, just where it was supposed to be! I since corrected my registration to reflect the factory number. I also am documented with USCG, have that number from the feds, both state and fed show the original number. Regards, David Dobbs CAL 29 411. _____ From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Licensing people in WA created and assigned one for my boat. _____ From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number Harley nailed it, Tom. There is a trick to making up HINs to satisfy the modern bureaucracies that require them, but I have forgotten the format. We could also make up a modern one (circa 1972) if we know the hull number inside the stern. Are there numbers on your sails? They were often the hull number. Sounds like you would be in the 600s depending on where you live (can tell where the boat was built sometimes based on the hull number. I could probably perform the inspection by placing my hands on the computer screen, since I have seen many CAL 25s inside, out, and even upside down. Even cut up a couple. Is the boat largely original? Take Care Charlie Annapolis CAL 25 Fleet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:04 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number HIN numbers were not required on boats manufactured before Nov. 1, 1972, and your boat is unlikely to have an actual HIN number. However, the production number of your model may be on a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the upper starboard transom. Harleigh Ewell From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom_cal25 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] H. I. N. number I Have a 1969 Cal 25 and would like to know where the hin is located? Need to have inspected. If you have a picture of where it is this would help greatly Thanks.