Cal 36 upgraded rudder

Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

Helen .... I'm not sure if this answers your question, but it might help. http://www.boatrudder.com/<http://www.boatrudder.com/> Foss foam built most of the new Cal-40 rudders. Doug Grant, here in SoCal, can also build them from the Schumacher design, and possibly build them better. If I were looking for a new "Schumacher" rudder, I'd certainly call Doug. The "Ultra" rudders may be built by a company called Water Rats, in Santa Cruz. I believe that they built the rudder for Stan and Sally Honey's "Illusion". Longer, thinner, very high-performance, very expensive. I do not think that the Cal-40 class would accept that rudder for class racing. http://www.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983<http://www.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983> Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Horn<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

The small skeg in front of the rudder is a crab pit deflector. Just keep it as it deflects lines from getting wedged between rudder and hull. Have you tried Foss foam for your rudder? They have the cal40 rudder, the 36 may be the same? -- Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

My conclusion was that the "crab pit deflector" could work, but only if the rudder were perfectly aligned behind it. This might occur DDW, at times. Under power, it might also work, some of the time. Up wind, with a bit of weather helm, the rudder would rarely align squarely behind that little strut. That was just my opinion, as I hit mine with a hammer and dispensed with it. I still haven't caught a "crab pot", but I'm here in SoCal. Kelp is our main issue, and it seems to shed rather easily from our keel and rudder. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael McElhaney<mailto:mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder The small skeg in front of the rudder is a crab pit deflector. Just keep it as it deflects lines from getting wedged between rudder and hull. Have you tried Foss foam for your rudder? They have the cal40 rudder, the 36 may be the same? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

Our boat still has its crab pOt deflector. Have only whacked it with my head when I removed the rudder, and never with a hammer. (Ouch!) Figured somebody had a good reason to put it there if only to teach me to duck. -- Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: My conclusion was that the "crab pit deflector" could work, but only if the rudder were perfectly aligned behind it. This might occur DDW, at times. Under power, it might also work, some of the time. Up wind, with a bit of weather helm, the rudder would rarely align squarely behind that little strut. That was just my opinion, as I hit mine with a hammer and dispensed with it. I still haven't caught a "crab pot", but I'm here in SoCal. Kelp is our main issue, and it seems to shed rather easily from our keel and rudder. Fin. From: Michael McElhaney To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder The small skeg in front of the rudder is a crab pit deflector. Just keep it as it deflects lines from getting wedged between rudder and hull. Have you tried Foss foam for your rudder? They have the cal40 rudder, the 36 may be the same? -- Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

Water Rat (Tuttle) built the plug for the Cal 40 rudder from Carl''s design.. at least that is my recollection. Two 36's purchased the Schumacher design. Listing of the original boats - Doug Grant continues to build these... as well as Foss Foam. Confirmed Costs Schumacher Foss Foam @100lbs Expected Payment Schedule QTY Amortize Design Cost Per Rudder Design Royalty Amortize Mold Cost Build Rudder Cost Each Rudder Shipping & Handling Tax Mold Rudder QTY Cost Each Rudder Increment Overall Design Fabrication Fabrication Commitments Boat Savings Savings Due Now Early March Mar-May 1.0 Timm Lessley #94 "Victoria!" (PDX) 1 1 1,100.00 300.00 3,000.00 875.00 $ 5,275.00 60 1,400.00 3,000.00 $ 875.00 1 5,275.00 2.0 Jim Eddy #50 "Calisto" (LAX) 1 2 550.00 300.00 1,500.00 875.00 $ 3,225.00 60 $ 2,050 $ 2,050 850.00 1,500.00 $ 875.00 2 3,225.00 3.0 Gil Wood "Hooligan" (SEA) 1 3 366.67 300.00 1,000.00 875.00 $ 2,541.67 60 $ 683 $ 2,733 666.67 1,000.00 $ 875.00 3 2,541.67 4.0 Lynn Bantley #84 "Sirocco" (SFO) 1 4 275.00 300.00 750.00 875.00 $ 2,200.00 60 $ 342 $ 3,075 575.00 750.00 $ 875.00 4 2,200.00 5.0 Bob Bobbitt #12 "Pretty Lady" (SAN) 1 5 220.00 300.00 600.00 875.00 $ 1,995.00 60 $ 205 $ 3,280 520.00 600.00 $ 875.00 5 1,995.00 6.0 Rob Stigletz #32 "Bandit" (NYC) 1 6 183.33 300.00 500.00 875.00 $ 1,858.33 60 $ 137 $ 3,417 483.33 500.00 $ 875.00 6 1,858.33 7.0 Doug Grant #59 Encore (LAX) 1 7 157.14 300.00 428.57 875.00 $ 1,760.71 60 $ 98 $ 3,514 457.14 428.57 $ 875.00 7 1,760.71 8.0 Frank Dair #143 "Colloquy" (LAX) 1 8 137.50 300.00 375.00 875.00 $ 1,687.50 60 $ 73 $ 3,588 437.50 375.00 $ 875.00 8 1,687.50 9.0 Kevin Tisdall "Tumble Home" 1 9 122.22 300.00 333.33 875.00 $ 1,630.56 60 $ 57 $ 3,644 422.22 333.33 $ 875.00 9 1,630.56 10.0 Bob Schaeffer (LAX) 1 10 110.00 300.00 300.00 875.00 $ 1,585.00 60 $ 46 $ 3,690 410.00 300.00 $ 875.00 10 1,585.00 11.0 Skip Felmar #120 "Flying Cloud" (LAX) 1 11 100.00 300.00 272.73 875.00 $ 1,547.73 60 $ 37 $ 3,727 400.00 272.73 $ 875.00 11 1,547.73 12.0 David Addleman Cal 36 (MRY) 1 12 91.67 300.00 250.00 875.00 $ 1,516.67 60 $ 31 $ 3,758 391.67 250.00 $ 875.00 12 1,516.67 13.0 Jeff Turk Cal 36 (LAX) 1 13 84.62 300.00 230.77 875.00 $ 1,490.38 60 $ 26 $ 3,785 384.62 230.77 $ 875.00 13 1,490.38 14.0 Fin Beven #24 "Radiant" (LAX) 1 14 78.57 300.00 214.29 875.00 $ 1,467.86 60 $ 23 $ 3,807 378.57 214.29 $ 875.00 14 1,467.86 15.0 Christy Crawford #126 "Emily Ann" (SAN) 1 15 73.33 300.00 200.00 875.00 $ 1,448.33 60 $ 42 $ 3,827 373.33 200.00 $ 875.00 15 1,448.33 16.0 Chris Young #107 "Restless" (SAN) 16 73.33 300.00 187.50 875.00 $ 1,435.83 60 $ 32 $ 3,839 373.33 187.50 $ 875.00 16 1,435.83 17.0 Mike Irish (Syndicate) #40 "Madrugador" (SEA) 1 17 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 24 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 17 1,424.80 18.0 Pittack/Peters (Syndicate) #64 "WINGS" (SEA) 18 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 11 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 18 1,424.80 19.0 Mark Nolan "Willowwa?" NOW > 19 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 373.33 $ 176.47 $ 875.00 19 1,424.80 20.0 Tom Egan #17 "Misirlou" (MA) 20 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 21.0 Bill Roth #134 "Dharma" (LAX) 21 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 22.0 Joe Nelson #15 "Serenity" (LAX) 22 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 23.0 Mark Greven "Whisper" 23 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 10 1,424.80 19.0 (Red=Timm Lessley's Contacts; Black = Doug Grant's Contacts) Unresolved: Rudder Cost Options 304ss=$850; or 316ss=$875 *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; LAYC-DougGrant Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Helen .... I'm not sure if this answers your question, but it might help. http://www.boatrudder.com/ Foss foam built most of the new Cal-40 rudders. Doug Grant, here in SoCal, can also build them from the Schumacher design, and possibly build them better. If I were looking for a new "Schumacher" rudder, I'd certainly call Doug. The "Ultra" rudders may be built by a company called Water Rats, in Santa Cruz. I believe that they built the rudder for Stan and Sally Honey's "Illusion". Longer, thinner, very high-performance, very expensive. I do not think that the Cal-40 class would accept that rudder for class racing. http://www.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983 Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca From: Helen Horn<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

I think I've kept my fin, just to lift kelp away from the hull prior to it hitting the rudder. [cid:image001.jpg@01CD16EE.65E3AE20] *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Water Rat (Tuttle) built the plug for the Cal 40 rudder from Carl''s design.. at least that is my recollection. Two 36's purchased the Schumacher design. Listing of the original boats - Doug Grant continues to build these... as well as Foss Foam. Confirmed Costs Schumacher Foss Foam @100lbs Expected Payment Schedule QTY Amortize Design Cost Per Rudder Design Royalty Amortize Mold Cost Build Rudder Cost Each Rudder Shipping & Handling Tax Mold Rudder QTY Cost Each Rudder Increment Overall Design Fabrication Fabrication Commitments Boat Savings Savings Due Now Early March Mar-May 1.0 Timm Lessley #94 "Victoria!" (PDX) 1 1 1,100.00 300.00 3,000.00 875.00 $ 5,275.00 60 1,400.00 3,000.00 $ 875.00 1 5,275.00 2.0 Jim Eddy #50 "Calisto" (LAX) 1 2 550.00 300.00 1,500.00 875.00 $ 3,225.00 60 $ 2,050 $ 2,050 850.00 1,500.00 $ 875.00 2 3,225.00 3.0 Gil Wood "Hooligan" (SEA) 1 3 366.67 300.00 1,000.00 875.00 $ 2,541.67 60 $ 683 $ 2,733 666.67 1,000.00 $ 875.00 3 2,541.67 4.0 Lynn Bantley #84 "Sirocco" (SFO) 1 4 275.00 300.00 750.00 875.00 $ 2,200.00 60 $ 342 $ 3,075 575.00 750.00 $ 875.00 4 2,200.00 5.0 Bob Bobbitt #12 "Pretty Lady" (SAN) 1 5 220.00 300.00 600.00 875.00 $ 1,995.00 60 $ 205 $ 3,280 520.00 600.00 $ 875.00 5 1,995.00 6.0 Rob Stigletz #32 "Bandit" (NYC) 1 6 183.33 300.00 500.00 875.00 $ 1,858.33 60 $ 137 $ 3,417 483.33 500.00 $ 875.00 6 1,858.33 7.0 Doug Grant #59 Encore (LAX) 1 7 157.14 300.00 428.57 875.00 $ 1,760.71 60 $ 98 $ 3,514 457.14 428.57 $ 875.00 7 1,760.71 8.0 Frank Dair #143 "Colloquy" (LAX) 1 8 137.50 300.00 375.00 875.00 $ 1,687.50 60 $ 73 $ 3,588 437.50 375.00 $ 875.00 8 1,687.50 9.0 Kevin Tisdall "Tumble Home" 1 9 122.22 300.00 333.33 875.00 $ 1,630.56 60 $ 57 $ 3,644 422.22 333.33 $ 875.00 9 1,630.56 10.0 Bob Schaeffer (LAX) 1 10 110.00 300.00 300.00 875.00 $ 1,585.00 60 $ 46 $ 3,690 410.00 300.00 $ 875.00 10 1,585.00 11.0 Skip Felmar #120 "Flying Cloud" (LAX) 1 11 100.00 300.00 272.73 875.00 $ 1,547.73 60 $ 37 $ 3,727 400.00 272.73 $ 875.00 11 1,547.73 12.0 David Addleman Cal 36 (MRY) 1 12 91.67 300.00 250.00 875.00 $ 1,516.67 60 $ 31 $ 3,758 391.67 250.00 $ 875.00 12 1,516.67 13.0 Jeff Turk Cal 36 (LAX) 1 13 84.62 300.00 230.77 875.00 $ 1,490.38 60 $ 26 $ 3,785 384.62 230.77 $ 875.00 13 1,490.38 14.0 Fin Beven #24 "Radiant" (LAX) 1 14 78.57 300.00 214.29 875.00 $ 1,467.86 60 $ 23 $ 3,807 378.57 214.29 $ 875.00 14 1,467.86 15.0 Christy Crawford #126 "Emily Ann" (SAN) 1 15 73.33 300.00 200.00 875.00 $ 1,448.33 60 $ 42 $ 3,827 373.33 200.00 $ 875.00 15 1,448.33 16.0 Chris Young #107 "Restless" (SAN) 16 73.33 300.00 187.50 875.00 $ 1,435.83 60 $ 32 $ 3,839 373.33 187.50 $ 875.00 16 1,435.83 17.0 Mike Irish (Syndicate) #40 "Madrugador" (SEA) 1 17 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 24 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 17 1,424.80 18.0 Pittack/Peters (Syndicate) #64 "WINGS" (SEA) 18 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 11 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 18 1,424.80 19.0 Mark Nolan "Willowwa?" NOW > 19 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 373.33 $ 176.47 $ 875.00 19 1,424.80 20.0 Tom Egan #17 "Misirlou" (MA) 20 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 21.0 Bill Roth #134 "Dharma" (LAX) 21 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 22.0 Joe Nelson #15 "Serenity" (LAX) 22 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 23.0 Mark Greven "Whisper" 23 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 10 1,424.80 19.0 (Red=Timm Lessley's Contacts; Black = Doug Grant's Contacts) Unresolved: Rudder Cost Options 304ss=$850; or 316ss=$875 *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ..........-_/) [cid:image005.png@01CBF93B.85770E70] Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; LAYC-DougGrant Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Helen .... I'm not sure if this answers your question, but it might help. http://www.boatrudder.com/ Foss foam built most of the new Cal-40 rudders. Doug Grant, here in SoCal, can also build them from the Schumacher design, and possibly build them better. If I were looking for a new "Schumacher" rudder, I'd certainly call Doug. The "Ultra" rudders may be built by a company called Water Rats, in Santa Cruz. I believe that they built the rudder for Stan and Sally Honey's "Illusion". Longer, thinner, very high-performance, very expensive. I do not think that the Cal-40 class would accept that rudder for class racing. http://www.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983 Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca From: Helen Horn<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

how does one reach Doug Grant? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ti… [at] ch2m.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:20:12 +0000 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Water Rat (Tuttle) built the plug for the Cal 40 rudder from Carl’’s design.. at least that is my recollection. Two 36’s purchased the Schumacher design. Listing of the original boats – Doug Grant continues to build these… as well as Foss Foam. Confirmed Costs Schumacher Foss Foam @100lbs Expected Payment Schedule QTY Amortize Design Cost Per Rudder Design Royalty Amortize Mold Cost Build Rudder Cost Each Rudder Shipping & Handling Tax Mold Rudder QTY Cost Each Rudder Increment Overall Design Fabrication Fabrication Commitments Boat Savings Savings Due Now Early March Mar-May 1.0 Timm Lessley #94 "Victoria!" (PDX) 1 1 1,100.00 300.00 3,000.00 875.00 $ 5,275.00 60 1,400.00 3,000.00 $ 875.00 1 5,275.00 2.0 Jim Eddy #50 "Calisto" (LAX) 1 2 550.00 300.00 1,500.00 875.00 $ 3,225.00 60 $ 2,050 $ 2,050 850.00 1,500.00 $ 875.00 2 3,225.00 3.0 Gil Wood "Hooligan" (SEA) 1 3 366.67 300.00 1,000.00 875.00 $ 2,541.67 60 $ 683 $ 2,733 666.67 1,000.00 $ 875.00 3 2,541.67 4.0 Lynn Bantley #84 "Sirocco" (SFO) 1 4 275.00 300.00 750.00 875.00 $ 2,200.00 60 $ 342 $ 3,075 575.00 750.00 $ 875.00 4 2,200.00 5.0 Bob Bobbitt #12 "Pretty Lady" (SAN) 1 5 220.00 300.00 600.00 875.00 $ 1,995.00 60 $ 205 $ 3,280 520.00 600.00 $ 875.00 5 1,995.00 6.0 Rob Stigletz #32 "Bandit" (NYC) 1 6 183.33 300.00 500.00 875.00 $ 1,858.33 60 $ 137 $ 3,417 483.33 500.00 $ 875.00 6 1,858.33 7.0 Doug Grant #59 Encore (LAX) 1 7 157.14 300.00 428.57 875.00 $ 1,760.71 60 $ 98 $ 3,514 457.14 428.57 $ 875.00 7 1,760.71 8.0 Frank Dair #143 "Colloquy" (LAX) 1 8 137.50 300.00 375.00 875.00 $ 1,687.50 60 $ 73 $ 3,588 437.50 375.00 $ 875.00 8 1,687.50 9.0 Kevin Tisdall "Tumble Home" 1 9 122.22 300.00 333.33 875.00 $ 1,630.56 60 $ 57 $ 3,644 422.22 333.33 $ 875.00 9 1,630.56 10.0 Bob Schaeffer (LAX) 1 10 110.00 300.00 300.00 875.00 $ 1,585.00 60 $ 46 $ 3,690 410.00 300.00 $ 875.00 10 1,585.00 11.0 Skip Felmar #120 "Flying Cloud" (LAX) 1 11 100.00 300.00 272.73 875.00 $ 1,547.73 60 $ 37 $ 3,727 400.00 272.73 $ 875.00 11 1,547.73 12.0 David Addleman Cal 36 (MRY) 1 12 91.67 300.00 250.00 875.00 $ 1,516.67 60 $ 31 $ 3,758 391.67 250.00 $ 875.00 12 1,516.67 13.0 Jeff Turk Cal 36 (LAX) 1 13 84.62 300.00 230.77 875.00 $ 1,490.38 60 $ 26 $ 3,785 384.62 230.77 $ 875.00 13 1,490.38 14.0 Fin Beven #24 "Radiant" (LAX) 1 14 78.57 300.00 214.29 875.00 $ 1,467.86 60 $ 23 $ 3,807 378.57 214.29 $ 875.00 14 1,467.86 15.0 Christy Crawford #126 "Emily Ann" (SAN) 1 15 73.33 300.00 200.00 875.00 $ 1,448.33 60 $ 42 $ 3,827 373.33 200.00 $ 875.00 15 1,448.33 16.0 Chris Young #107 "Restless" (SAN) 16 73.33 300.00 187.50 875.00 $ 1,435.83 60 $ 32 $ 3,839 373.33 187.50 $ 875.00 16 1,435.83 17.0 Mike Irish (Syndicate) #40 "Madrugador" (SEA) 1 17 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 24 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 17 1,424.80 18.0 Pittack/Peters (Syndicate) #64 "WINGS" (SEA) 18 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 11 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 18 1,424.80 19.0 Mark Nolan "Willowwa?" NOW > 19 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 373.33 $ 176.47 $ 875.00 19 1,424.80 20.0 Tom Egan #17 "Misirlou" (MA) 20 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 21.0 Bill Roth #134 "Dharma" (LAX) 21 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 22.0 Joe Nelson #15 "Serenity" (LAX) 22 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 23.0 Mark Greven "Whisper" 23 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 10 1,424.80 19.0 (Red=Timm Lessley's Contacts; Black = Doug Grant's Contacts) Unresolved: Rudder Cost Options 304ss=$850; or 316ss=$875 *??) ?.? ??.?*??) ?.?**?) (?.?? (?.?' ( ......….-_/) Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; LAYC-DougGrant Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Helen .... I'm not sure if this answers your question, but it might help. http://www.boatrudder.com/ Foss foam built most of the new Cal-40 rudders. Doug Grant, here in SoCal, can also build them from the Schumacher design, and possibly build them better. If I were looking for a new "Schumacher" rudder, I'd certainly call Doug. The "Ultra" rudders may be built by a company called Water Rats, in Santa Cruz. I believe that they built the rudder for Stan and Sally Honey's "Illusion". Longer, thinner, very high-performance, very expensive. I do not think that the Cal-40 class would accept that rudder for class racing. http://www.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983 Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca From: Helen Horn To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36

Doug Grant "Little Air Giant Inc" 737 W Channel St San Pedro, California 90731 (310) 833-7262 ----- Original Message ----- From: r good To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder how does one reach Doug Grant? Reggie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ti… [at] ch2m.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:20:12 +0000 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Water Rat (Tuttle) built the plug for the Cal 40 rudder from Carl’’s design.. at least that is my recollection. Two 36’s purchased the Schumacher design. Listing of the original boats – Doug Grant continues to build these… as well as Foss Foam. Confirmed Costs Schumacher Foss Foam @100lbs Expected Payment Schedule QTY Amortize Design Cost Per Rudder Design Royalty Amortize Mold Cost Build Rudder Cost Each Rudder Shipping & Handling Tax Mold Rudder QTY Cost Each Rudder Increment Overall Design Fabrication Fabrication Commitments Boat Savings Savings Due Now Early March Mar-May 1.0 Timm Lessley #94 "Victoria!" (PDX) 1 1 1,100.00 300.00 3,000.00 875.00 $ 5,275.00 60 1,400.00 3,000.00 $ 875.00 1 5,275.00 2.0 Jim Eddy #50 "Calisto" (LAX) 1 2 550.00 300.00 1,500.00 875.00 $ 3,225.00 60 $ 2,050 $ 2,050 850.00 1,500.00 $ 875.00 2 3,225.00 3.0 Gil Wood "Hooligan" (SEA) 1 3 366.67 300.00 1,000.00 875.00 $ 2,541.67 60 $ 683 $ 2,733 666.67 1,000.00 $ 875.00 3 2,541.67 4.0 Lynn Bantley #84 "Sirocco" (SFO) 1 4 275.00 300.00 750.00 875.00 $ 2,200.00 60 $ 342 $ 3,075 575.00 750.00 $ 875.00 4 2,200.00 5.0 Bob Bobbitt #12 "Pretty Lady" (SAN) 1 5 220.00 300.00 600.00 875.00 $ 1,995.00 60 $ 205 $ 3,280 520.00 600.00 $ 875.00 5 1,995.00 6.0 Rob Stigletz #32 "Bandit" (NYC) 1 6 183.33 300.00 500.00 875.00 $ 1,858.33 60 $ 137 $ 3,417 483.33 500.00 $ 875.00 6 1,858.33 7.0 Doug Grant #59 Encore (LAX) 1 7 157.14 300.00 428.57 875.00 $ 1,760.71 60 $ 98 $ 3,514 457.14 428.57 $ 875.00 7 1,760.71 8.0 Frank Dair #143 "Colloquy" (LAX) 1 8 137.50 300.00 375.00 875.00 $ 1,687.50 60 $ 73 $ 3,588 437.50 375.00 $ 875.00 8 1,687.50 9.0 Kevin Tisdall "Tumble Home" 1 9 122.22 300.00 333.33 875.00 $ 1,630.56 60 $ 57 $ 3,644 422.22 333.33 $ 875.00 9 1,630.56 10.0 Bob Schaeffer (LAX) 1 10 110.00 300.00 300.00 875.00 $ 1,585.00 60 $ 46 $ 3,690 410.00 300.00 $ 875.00 10 1,585.00 11.0 Skip Felmar #120 "Flying Cloud" (LAX) 1 11 100.00 300.00 272.73 875.00 $ 1,547.73 60 $ 37 $ 3,727 400.00 272.73 $ 875.00 11 1,547.73 12.0 David Addleman Cal 36 (MRY) 1 12 91.67 300.00 250.00 875.00 $ 1,516.67 60 $ 31 $ 3,758 391.67 250.00 $ 875.00 12 1,516.67 13.0 Jeff Turk Cal 36 (LAX) 1 13 84.62 300.00 230.77 875.00 $ 1,490.38 60 $ 26 $ 3,785 384.62 230.77 $ 875.00 13 1,490.38 14.0 Fin Beven #24 "Radiant" (LAX) 1 14 78.57 300.00 214.29 875.00 $ 1,467.86 60 $ 23 $ 3,807 378.57 214.29 $ 875.00 14 1,467.86 15.0 Christy Crawford #126 "Emily Ann" (SAN) 1 15 73.33 300.00 200.00 875.00 $ 1,448.33 60 $ 42 $ 3,827 373.33 200.00 $ 875.00 15 1,448.33 16.0 Chris Young #107 "Restless" (SAN) 16 73.33 300.00 187.50 875.00 $ 1,435.83 60 $ 32 $ 3,839 373.33 187.50 $ 875.00 16 1,435.83 17.0 Mike Irish (Syndicate) #40 "Madrugador" (SEA) 1 17 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 24 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 17 1,424.80 18.0 Pittack/Peters (Syndicate) #64 "WINGS" (SEA) 18 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 11 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 18 1,424.80 19.0 Mark Nolan "Willowwa?" NOW > 19 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 373.33 $ 176.47 $ 875.00 19 1,424.80 20.0 Tom Egan #17 "Misirlou" (MA) 20 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ 0 $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 21.0 Bill Roth #134 "Dharma" (LAX) 21 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 22.0 Joe Nelson #15 "Serenity" (LAX) 22 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 20 1,424.80 23.0 Mark Greven "Whisper" 23 73.33 300.00 176.47 875.00 $ 1,424.80 60 $ - $ 3,850 373.33 176.47 $ 875.00 10 1,424.80 19.0 (Red=Timm Lessley's Contacts; Black = Doug Grant's Contacts) Unresolved: Rudder Cost Options 304ss=$850; or 316ss=$875 *??) ?.? ??.?*??) ?.?**?) (?.?? (?.?' ( ......….-_/) Timm Lessley From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; LAYC-DougGrant Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Helen .... I'm not sure if this answers your question, but it might help. http://www.boatrudder.com/ Foss foam built most of the new Cal-40 rudders. Doug Grant, here in SoCal, can also build them from the Schumacher design, and possibly build them better. If I were looking for a new "Schumacher" rudder, I'd certainly call Doug. The "Ultra" rudders may be built by a company called Water Rats, in Santa Cruz. I believe that they built the rudder for Stan and Sally Honey's "Illusion". Longer, thinner, very high-performance, very expensive. I do not think that the Cal-40 class would accept that rudder for class racing. http://www.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983 Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Horn To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 upgraded rudder Hi guys! We thought we saved contact info on Cal 36 upgraded rudder ...there was a flow chart cost vs number produced thought Jim Anthem design it or sold it but he said 'No'...thought ruddercraft.. not on web site !!! thinking mind is turning to MUSH...thought I put in "Cal FILE" can not find it ..anyway thinking of upgrading Now that we are hauled out (Berkley) so PLEASE SEND INFO AGAIN thaks Edward (helen) also noticed small skeg ? 1/4 X 2" long in front of leading edge of rudder ...thinking of removal of this piece so rudder can 360 when backing get better rudder bite...any thoughts 'FIJI' #60 Cal 36