Chula Vista Marina

Hi, Adam. I looked at some maps and got to wondering how a place like that (very much enclosed) keep from getting filled up with crud. I also noted that the annual slip fees are more than the value of my boat. I suppose that is pretty typical out on the Left Coast? Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Thorp Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Discouraged New owner of Cal 20 Hahah! That's Ken holding your tiller in the first picture! I'm almost sure of it. Am I right? Good guy. You must be down in the Chula Vista Marina? How do you like it so far? I was there for two years. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Adam Thorp <th… [at] gmail.com<mailto:th… [at] gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Dyer, I agree. Boarding a boat without permission is trespassing. Jumping up and down on a deck is willful destruction of property. I'd file a police report, and go to small claims court if any damage was done, even if none is visible. If anything, the jerk needs to be taught a lesson in humility. I've had damage done to my boat by persons unknown; at least you know who done it A heavy guy jumping up and down can break something that is in otherwise reasonably sound condition. Gel coat fracturing is still unwanted damage, in any case, wouldn't be that loud of a sound. Check below for fractures in the overhead or mast support beam, or fiberglass covering the beam below were the mast is stepped, etc. Jerry From: Dylan Crouch <dy… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:dy… [at] yahoo.com>> To: cal_boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Discouraged New owner of Cal 20 That "do it yourself" attitude is gonna go very far with a boat... You will save a lot of time, effort and money doing the work yourself. You will wind up with a better boat too. Had you been reading the list before you may have seen mention of "The Black Feathers", a 1961 Cal 20 that went from San Fransisco to Hawaii on a single-hand Trans Pacific Race in 2008. That Cal 20 was the smallest boat to finish the race (dunno if that is still true). I think more than one has crossed the Atlantic as well. Granted, they put some work into it in order to do that, but go look the book up, may get ya more jazzed about what that boat of yours can do. Don't worry about the scruffy stuff, worry about structural integrity, safety gear & keeping that bozo from jumping on your boat. NOBODY should step on your boat or do anything like that without your permission. Somebody does it again, finish off that tiller over their head & make a new one. On the outboard. Get it to somewhere you can tinker with it & find a book or manual on it. Get the model and year of the outboard & look it up on Google. There are books out there for outboards like the "Chilton's" for cars. Frequently you can find manuals on engines for free in PDF form from the manufacturer or somewhere else. There are you-tube videos for all sorts of projects as well. Just type in the question on your outboard as if you were talking to a person. For example just Google: "my 1969 mercury x horsepower outboard will not start". Working on cars, you should have no issue perusing what you found & get a start on it if you are so inclined. My strongest advice? Get used to her, then go sail some other 20 footers. I can not imagine you not appreciating your Cal 20 a lot more afterward. Dyer Honu - 1969 Cal 2-30, #87. San Francisco Bay. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of duchess287 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:29 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Discouraged New owner of Cal 20 Thank you, everyone, for the encouragement and for that great link too. I read through and felt so much better. Perhaps I just needed to vent and whine a little. I updated my blog boatgypsy.blogspot.com <http://boatgypsy.blogspot.com/> with close up photos and super short videos of my shrouds and stuff. If you see anything that makes you go "WHOA! DONT SAIL THAT!" please let me know. I was feeling so good with my prepurchase inspection, my post purchase inspection and trusting my gut that when I had all of these discouraging remarks from people I began questioning my judgement! Yeah, I don't have a ton of experience sailing. But I grew up around boats, nice boats, collectible boats, crap boats, boat mechanics and do-it-yourselfers- that I thought I had a good handle on what I was doing. Of course, any time someone tells you your safety is in question, you immediately begin to critically examine the problem- no one wants to jeopardize their own or others safety! I also wonder if part of their naysaying doesn't have to do with me being a single girl, living on a boat. Sometimes I have noticed that guys (just generalizations here) seem to try to find things wrong so they have things to fix to help out who they perceive to be "damsels in distress." They look at me and think "girl-weak-knows nothing" (I know, not all of them do, just some) and they have no idea of my background (autobody tech for 2 years, went to school to be an automechanic a thousand years ago, did my own entire house remodel from an abandoned falling down shack- everything from plumbing to electrical to drywall and even rebuilt my own hot water heater, lawnmower, weedwhacker, washer AND dryer. I can change my own brakes and oil and sparkplugs...the list goes on and on) yadda yadda. I get tired of saying "this is what I know" and sometimes, my own fault, I just listen and nod my head instead of arguing because it is a hell of a l! ot easier. And yes, I am aware of my physical limitations. I am small. I am strong but not strong enough to do some major stuff. And I (gasp!) Don't know everything as muh as I would like to think I do! So yes, I need help more than I would like to admit. Anyway, I am babbling here..... So I will continue to ask questions on the forum, continue to do my googling and continue to get to know this little boat as intimately as I can. Great advice from all of you. Thanks again, everyone. You rock! PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/

Hi Charlie, There was a big effort to get all the 'crud' out of the south san diego a couple years ago. Apparently there were a bunch of derelict or abandoned boats, some sitting at the bottom of the bay. They dredge the channel, but I have never seen them do it. The bottom is soft silty mud, ask me how I know :) A good portion of the south bay is too shallow and is marked. I was paying $350/month ($4200/yr) for my slip in Chula Vista. I choose Chula Vista because a) they didn't reject me for having a boat showing it's years and b) the rates were about half everywhere else. The reason people pay a premium for slips up at the north end of the bay is that it is an easy sail out of to the ocean. With our baggy sails, rough bottom and inexperience it would take us most of the day getting up and out to the ocean, then we would have to turn around and head home a half hour later. I started taking the boat up to the shelter island police dock a couple Friday nights so that we could sail the ocean the next day. I waited on a list for about a year to get a mooring in the commercial basin. I now pay $147/month ($1764/yr,64 more dollars than I paid for the cal28) for a mooring and it's a quick sail out to the ocean. I'm happy where I am but think that Chula Vista and the south bay was a great place for me to start out sailing as the waters are more protected, fewer boats are out, fond memories. Cheers, Adam On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > Hi, Adam. I looked at some maps and got to wondering how a place like > that (very much enclosed) keep from getting filled up with crud. I also > noted that the annual slip fees are more than the value of my boat. I > suppose that is pretty typical out on the Left Coast?**** > > ** ** > > Take Care**** > > Charlie**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Adam Thorp > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:12 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Discouraged New owner of Cal 20* > *** > > ** ** > > > > Hahah!**** > > ** ** > > That's Ken holding your tiller in the first picture! I'm almost sure of > it. Am I right? Good guy.**** > > ** ** > > You must be down in the Chula Vista Marina? How do you like it so far? I > was there for two years. **** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Adam Thorp <th… [at] gmail.com> wrote:*** > * > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> > wrote:**** > > **** > > Dyer, I agree. Boarding a boat without permission is trespassing. Jumping > up and down on a deck is willful destruction of property. I'd file a police > report, and go to small claims court if any damage was done, even if none > is visible. If anything, the jerk needs to be taught a lesson in humility. > I've had damage done to my boat by persons unknown; at least you know who > done it > A heavy guy jumping up and down can break something that is in otherwise > reasonably sound condition. > Gel coat fracturing is still unwanted damage, in any case, wouldn't be > that loud of a sound. Check below for fractures in the overhead or mast > support beam, or fiberglass covering the beam below were the mast is > stepped, etc. > Jerry**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Dylan Crouch <dy… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* cal_boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:43 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Discouraged New owner of Cal 20**** > > ** ** > > **** > > That "do it yourself" attitude is gonna go very far with a boat... **** > > **** > > You will save a lot of time, effort and money doing the work yourself. You > will wind up with a better boat too. Had you been reading the list before > you may have seen mention of "The Black Feathers", a 1961 Cal 20 that went > from San Fransisco to Hawaii on a single-hand Trans Pacific Race in 2008. > That Cal 20 was the smallest boat to finish the race (dunno if that is > still true). I think more than one has crossed the Atlantic as well. > Granted, they put some work into it in order to do that, but go look the > book up, may get ya more jazzed about what that boat of yours can do. **** > > **** > > Don't worry about the scruffy stuff, worry about structural integrity, > safety gear & keeping that bozo from jumping on your boat. NOBODY should > step on your boat or do anything like that without your permission. > Somebody does it again, finish off that tiller over their head & make a new > one.**** > > **** > > On the outboard. Get it to somewhere you can tinker with it & find a book > or manual on it. Get the model and year of the outboard & look it up on > Google. There are books out there for outboards like the "Chilton's" for > cars. Frequently you can find manuals on engines for free in PDF form from > the manufacturer or somewhere else. There are you-tube videos for all sorts > of projects as well. Just type in the question on your outboard as if you > were talking to a person. For example just Google: "my 1969 mercury x > horsepower outboard will not start". Working on cars, you should have no > issue perusing what you found & get a start on it if you are so inclined.* > *** > > **** > > My strongest advice? Get used to her, then go sail some other 20 footers. > I can not imagine you not appreciating your Cal 20 a lot more afterward.** > ** > > **** > > Dyer**** > > Honu - 1969 Cal 2-30, #87. **** > > San Francisco Bay.**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *duchess287 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:29 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Re: Discouraged New owner of Cal 20**** > > **** > > **** > > Thank you, everyone, for the encouragement and for that great link too.*** > * > > **** > > I read through and felt so much better. Perhaps I just needed to vent and > whine a little. **** > > **** > > I updated my blog boatgypsy.blogspot.com with close up photos and super > short videos of my shrouds and stuff. If you see anything that makes you go > "WHOA! DONT SAIL THAT!" please let me know. I was feeling so good with my > prepurchase inspection, my post purchase inspection and trusting my gut > that when I had all of these discouraging remarks from people I began > questioning my judgement! Yeah, I don't have a ton of experience sailing. > But I grew up around boats, nice boats, collectible boats, crap boats, boat > mechanics and do-it-yourselfers- that I thought I had a good handle on what > I was doing. Of course, any time someone tells you your safety is in > question, you immediately begin to critically examine the problem- no one > wants to jeopardize their own or others safety!**** > > **** > > I also wonder if part of their naysaying doesn't have to do with me being > a single girl, living on a boat. Sometimes I have noticed that guys (just > generalizations here) seem to try to find things wrong so they have things > to fix to help out who they perceive to be "damsels in distress." They look > at me and think "girl-weak-knows nothing" (I know, not all of them do, just > some) and they have no idea of my background (autobody tech for 2 years, > went to school to be an automechanic a thousand years ago, did my own > entire house remodel from an abandoned falling down shack- everything from > plumbing to electrical to drywall and even rebuilt my own hot water heater, > lawnmower, weedwhacker, washer AND dryer. I can change my own brakes and > oil and sparkplugs...the list goes on and on) yadda yadda. I get tired of > saying "this is what I know" and sometimes, my own fault, I just listen and > nod my head instead of arguing because it is a hell of a l! ot easier. And > yes, I am aware of my physical limitations. I am small. I am strong but not > strong enough to do some major stuff. And I (gasp!) Don't know everything > as muh as I would like to think I do! So yes, I need help more than I would > like to admit. Anyway, I am babbling here.....**** > > **** > > So I will continue to ask questions on the forum, continue to do my > googling and continue to get to know this little boat as intimately as I > can. Great advice from all of you.**** > > **** > > Thanks again, everyone. You rock!**** > > PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. To learn more, > please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > > > > **** > > **** > > >

On 2/20/2013 6:28 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > I also noted that the annual slip fees are more than the value of my > boat. > Ah, but the real question is whether the slip fees are more than the value of sailing your boat. When we get into market value questions we are on a slippery slope. Michael Sandel has written an interesting book called _What Money Can't Buy_ on the whole issue of using market prices and values as the primary criteria for evaluating things. As a sailor I grasped his argument immediately. If I were using economic value as my only criterion, I would have sold the boats and put the proceeds, plus all the annual expenses, into investment vehicles and I'd have lots of additional money now. But I know people whose primary criterion is economic value, and they are pretty dull folks. I'm not jealous. My boats (and other irrational expenditures) make me happy. Chris Campbell

Right on, Chris There are some things that cannot be measured in wealth! My Best, Mike From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cost and value (was Chula Vista Marina) On 2/20/2013 6:28 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: I also noted that the annual slip fees are more than the value of my boat. > Ah, but the real question is whether the slip fees are more than the value of sailing your boat. When we get into market value questions we are on a slippery slope. Michael Sandel has written an interesting book called What Money Can't Buy on the whole issue of using market prices and values as the primary criteria for evaluating things. As a sailor I grasped his argument immediately. If I were using economic value as my only criterion, I would have sold the boats and put the proceeds, plus all the annual expenses, into investment vehicles and I'd have lots of additional money now. But I know people whose primary criterion is economic value, and they are pretty dull folks. I'm not jealous. My boats (and other irrational expenditures) make me happy. Chris Campbell

If all boats were free, would nobody sail? Perhaps if all boats were free, more people would have boats and slip fees would go up and everyone would think they were being stupid for paying more for their slip that the value of the boat. If you think this way long enough, your head will explode. Allen On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > On 2/20/2013 6:28 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > I also noted that the annual slip fees are more than the value of my > boat. > > > Ah, but the real question is whether the slip fees are more than the value > of sailing your boat. When we get into market value questions we are on a > slippery slope. Michael Sandel has written an interesting book called *What > Money Can't Buy* on the whole issue of using market prices and values as > the primary criteria for evaluating things. As a sailor I grasped his > argument immediately. If I were using economic value as my only criterion, > I would have sold the boats and put the proceeds, plus all the annual > expenses, into investment vehicles and I'd have lots of additional money > now. But I know people whose primary criterion is economic value, and they > are pretty dull folks. I'm not jealous. My boats (and other irrational > expenditures) make me happy. > > Chris Campbell > > >

My boat isn't worth 3 months of slip fees, which I had to scrounge together and pay after my dear dock master called and said if I don't pay by the next day, they'd lien my boat and close the account on my half a double slip. It cost me $726 to get myself out of hock. I had an ad in Craigslist to sell my boat for $700, or rent for less than $100 a day, or partnership for $400 plus half expenses. Two young guys came out to look at her this Sunday, insisting they only wanted to buy my boat and kidnap her to King Harbor, but after seeing her, couldn't wait to get off the dock and get going even tho they had almost zero sailing time (they'd had one ride on a friends 40 footer), and I was offering a free afternoon sail and learning experience for their trouble of coming out . However, a third guy, interested in partnering, offered to rent my boat for $100 a month if I invite him to crew together with me after sailing with me that afternoon. He was impressed enough with my knowledge, which is just what he was looking for, regarding optimal sail trim, etc, even tho he'd completed an ASA sailing certificate, and he already owned and slipped a MacGregor 22 in Long Beach. We tacked out to the ocean (he said: 'more than the all the tacking he'd ever done in all his sailing experience'), sailed a 1/4 mile alongside a 'new' Erickson 34- it had a cut out stern-, then turned around and got back to the slip just in time for the wind to die and water to turn to glass, which is a good thing 'cause I still haven't installed a new spark coil for my poor dead Suzuki 4, and we'd have had to paddle in. I MAY be moving up to NorCal within a year, as me mother's house is available, and dragging or sailing me boat to S.F. bay doesn't seem practical...or is it? I really like her..ok, love her... even tho she's not perfect, nor in very good shape at this point. BTW, we were about to turn into my Basin, but I back tracked up the Main Channel to see what I took to possibly be a Cal 40 sailing under main, 200 yards behind me, that couldn't keep up with me going down wind, and had an odd looking "C" next to the 40 on it's sail. We pulled alongside and discovered an absolutely stunning, bristol, Cal-vintage Choy Lee 40 (it was actually a "Cl" insignia) that you could mistake for a Cal from a distance. She had a more raked looking bow and stern, however, and a slightly less streamline dog house. Very pretty boat, however, with a jolly crowd of young men and women aboard. Jerry From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cost and value (was Chula Vista Marina) Right on, Chris There are some things that cannot be measured in wealth! My Best, Mike From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cost and value (was Chula Vista Marina) On 2/20/2013 6:28 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: I also noted that the annual slip fees are more than the value of my boat. > Ah, but the real question is whether the slip fees are more than the value of sailing your boat. When we get into market value questions we are on a slippery slope. Michael Sandel has written an interesting book called What Money Can't Buy on the whole issue of using market prices and values as the primary criteria for evaluating things. As a sailor I grasped his argument immediately. If I were using economic value as my only criterion, I would have sold the boats and put the proceeds, plus all the annual expenses, into investment vehicles and I'd have lots of additional money now. But I know people whose primary criterion is economic value, and they are pretty dull folks. I'm not jealous. My boats (and other irrational expenditures) make me happy. Chris Campbell