Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k

Robert, the boat is in Galesville, Maryland near the Chesapeake Bay about 15 miles south of Annapolis. It reads great except for the part about "engine has been removed". Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robertjmurdoch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k I think this is in Illinois...... http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3648506213.html ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On 2/28/2013 8:26 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > It reads great except for the part about "engine has been removed". That encourages people to improve their sailing skills. There's nothing like the annoying roar of an outboard motor to make one appreciate sailing (well, maybe a recalcitrant outboard that won't start is a close candidate). Chris Campbell >

Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:28 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k On 2/28/2013 8:26 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > It reads great except for the part about "engine has been removed". That encourages people to improve their sailing skills. There's nothing like the annoying roar of an outboard motor to make one appreciate sailing (well, maybe a recalcitrant outboard that won't start is a close candidate). Chris Campbell > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran just fine once we were in the clear. Chris Campbell > >

Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been seriously considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found the Cal 29 with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail around the bay a few times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm thinking electric might have been a better option. I don't really use the engine much except to get in and out of the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with the diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including a backup Honda generator. If anyone is interested, I could dig up the details. Cheers, Alex. On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, > although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. > > So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents > to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things > (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence > periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there > was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had > launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). > > But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop > off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was > headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing > power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched > along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and > exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran > just fine once we were in the clear. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > >

A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as such, do not comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust systems. Any boater [ and the boat's crew ] are put in grave danger when this type genset is operated on a boat. Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company discover that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will reject the claim. Bottom line - A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > > Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been > seriously considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found > the Cal 29 with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail > around the bay a few times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm > thinking electric might have been a better option. I don't really use > the engine much except to get in and out of the marina, electric > would've been plenty for that, and I wouldn't have had to deal with > all the nagging little things with the diesel. At the time I estimated > a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including a backup Honda generator. > If anyone is interested, I could dig up the details. > > Cheers, > Alex. > > On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org > <mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org>> wrote: > > On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, > although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. > > So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally > consents > to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things > (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence > periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then > there > was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had > launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure > powerboat). > > But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to > drop > off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the > schooner was > headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, > losing > power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely > inched > along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and > exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It > ran > just fine once we were in the clear. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Joe, I'm no expert on the subject, but it occurs to me that you might be painting a grimmer picture than it really is. Granted, gasoline on board is dangerous, but that applies to Atomics and outboards as well, and people still use them. Propane tanks are also a potential threat. Hondas are not much different. If you don't run or store them below decks the risk is minimized. I'd also venture a guess that marine ratings for exhaust and fuel storage would only apply for a below-decks installation. My point is that with proper handling the Hondas are no more dangerous than other gasoline or propane devices on board. A diesel genset would be nice, but it would cost more than a diesel main engine and would have the same maintenance headaches. Don't know about insurance claims, they would use any excuse to not pay a claim, but I'd think they would have to prove the gennie was a factor in any fire. I'm on the electric boats yahoo group, there're lots of electric conversions there that use Hondas as a backup. I would think they know a thing or two about them... Cheers, Alex. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: > ** > > > ** A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY > dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as such, do not > comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust systems. Any boater [ and > the boat's crew ] are put in grave danger when this type genset is operated > on a boat. > > Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company discover > that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will reject the claim. > > Bottom line - > A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been seriously > considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found the Cal 29 > with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail around the bay a few > times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm thinking electric might > have been a better option. I don't really use the engine much except to get > in and out of the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I > wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with the > diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including > a backup Honda generator. If anyone is interested, I could dig up the > details. > > Cheers, > Alex. > On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >> > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, >> although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. >> >> So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents >> to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things >> (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence >> periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there >> was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had >> launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure >> powerboat). >> >> But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop >> off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was >> headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing >> power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched >> along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and >> exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran >> just fine once we were in the clear. >> >> Chris Campbell >> > >> > >> >> No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > >

Yessum, me not fixed little Suzzyooki yet. If the banks and the parking meter maids weren't working overtime robbing me blind, and if I wasn't so busy sabotaging myself by not billing my customers, I'd have fixed her months ago. She needs a new spark trigger coil, but I've been putting off ordering it thinking maybe I should add the optional battery charging coil...as if I really needed such an animal, if I sprung for new LED running lites? If I sell Shpritz and move North I'm thinking of keeping Suzzyooki and taking her with me. Meanwhile, I found this bit of advice on how to get the flywheel off without a puller or a machine shop. Seems all you have to do is loosen the bolts holding the flywheel on the crank, then tap the tops of those bolts...or nuts, or whatever is there, and if you hold up the outboard by the flywheel as you do this, or someone else does this, the weight of the outboard will pop the flywheel lose from the crank. I'll have to try this when I get around to it. Or, maybe, I'll get desperate and put of our 5.5 HP Evinrude short shaft twins on the back, that I've laying around hibernating. After all, I would only need a kicker to get me to the starting line, or get home with dead air. I think the ad says the Cal 29 has had its Atomic removed, not that it needs to be removed, and that it has a stern mount for an outboard. Some models of the 29 came with a cut out for a transom mounted OB like the Cal 25's, so I guess it's not a big deal. Which reminds me, what ever happened to #1, "Swiss Cheese"?. And while we're scratching our collective heads about that, who on earth got the bright idea to call an obsolete, model T/ WWII style flat head four, an "Atomic" engine? Someone had a sense of humor I guess. Jerry, Shpritz. From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran just fine once we were in the clear. Chris Campbell > >

I still maintain that use of any non USCG approved genset on a boat is a VERY bad, even dangerous, idea. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 2/28/2013 1:00 PM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > > Joe, > > I'm no expert on the subject, but it occurs to me that you might be > painting a grimmer picture than it really is. > > Granted, gasoline on board is dangerous, but that applies to Atomics > and outboards as well, and people still use them. Propane tanks are > also a potential threat. Hondas are not much different. If you don't > run or store them below decks the risk is minimized. I'd also venture > a guess that marine ratings for exhaust and fuel storage would only > apply for a below-decks installation. My point is that with proper > handling the Hondas are no more dangerous than other gasoline or > propane devices on board. > > A diesel genset would be nice, but it would cost more than a diesel > main engine and would have the same maintenance headaches. > > Don't know about insurance claims, they would use any excuse to not > pay a claim, but I'd think they would have to prove the gennie was a > factor in any fire. > > I'm on the electric boats yahoo group, there're lots of electric > conversions there that use Hondas as a backup. I would think they know > a thing or two about them... > > Cheers, > Alex. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com > <mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com>> wrote: > > A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY > dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as > such, do not comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust > systems. Any boater [ and the boat's crew ] are put in grave > danger when this type genset is operated on a boat. > > Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company > discover that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will > reject the claim. > > Bottom line - > A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184 <tel:%28860%29%20666-2184>* > > > > > On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: >> >> Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been >> seriously considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I >> found the Cal 29 with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance >> to sail around the bay a few times and had the diesel die on me >> suddenly, I'm thinking electric might have been a better option. >> I don't really use the engine much except to get in and out of >> the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I >> wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with >> the diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost >> 4-5K, including a backup Honda generator. If anyone is >> interested, I could dig up the details. >> >> Cheers, >> Alex. >> >> On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org >> <mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org>> wrote: >> >> On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >> > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant >> outboard, although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. >> Necessity is a Mother. >> >> So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, >> generally consents >> to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of >> things >> (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its >> independence >> periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. >> Then there >> was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments >> after I had >> launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a >> pure powerboat). >> >> But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner >> berth to drop >> off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the >> schooner was >> headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard >> objected, losing >> power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat >> barely inched >> along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and >> exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! >> outboard. It ran >> just fine once we were in the clear. >> >> Chris Campbell >> > >> > >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: >> 02/27/13 >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184 <tel:%28860%29%20666-2184>* > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

And they are noisy! From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k I still maintain that use of any non USCG approved genset on a boat is a VERY bad, even dangerous, idea. Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 On 2/28/2013 1:00 PM, Alex Kunadze wrote: Joe, > >I'm no expert on the subject, but it occurs to me that you might be painting a grimmer picture than it really is. > >Granted, gasoline on board is dangerous, but that applies to Atomics and outboards as well, and people still use them. Propane tanks are also a potential threat. Hondas are not much different. If you don't run or store them below decks the risk is minimized. I'd also venture a guess that marine ratings for exhaust and fuel storage would only apply for a below-decks installation. My point is that with proper handling the Hondas are no more dangerous than other gasoline or propane devices on board. > >A diesel genset would be nice, but it would cost more than a diesel main engine and would have the same maintenance headaches. > >Don't know about insurance claims, they would use any excuse to not pay a claim, but I'd think they would have to prove the gennie was a factor in any fire. > >I'm on the electric boats yahoo group, there're lots of electric conversions there that use Hondas as a backup. I would think they know a thing or two about them... > >Cheers, >Alex. > > > >On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: > > >>A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as such, do not comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust systems. Any boater [ and the boat's crew ] are put in grave danger when this type genset is operated on a boat. >> >>Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company discover that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will reject the claim. >> >>Bottom line - >>A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. >> >>Joe DeMers - owner >>Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >>phone & fax (860) 666-2184 >> >> >>On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: >>Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been seriously considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found the Cal 29 with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail around the bay a few times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm thinking electric might have been a better option. I don't really use the engine much except to get in and out of the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with the diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including a backup Honda generator. If anyone is interested, I could dig up the details. >>>Cheers, >>>Alex. >>>On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >>>>> Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. >>>> >>>>So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents >>>>to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things >>>>(coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence >>>>periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there >>>>was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had >>>>launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). >>>> >>>>But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop >>>>off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was >>>>headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing >>>>power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched >>>>along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and >>>>exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran >>>>just fine once we were in the clear. >>>> >>>>Chris Campbell >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>No virus found in this message. >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 >> >>-- >> >>Joe DeMers - owner >>Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >>phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Not really any noisier than an outboard. Besides, unless you need the motor for more than 2-3 of hours (which turned out to be the case for me), you wouldn't even need to turn it on with an electric setup. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > ** > > > And they are noisy! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:16 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found > on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > I still maintain that use of any non USCG approved genset on a boat is a > VERY bad, even dangerous, idea. > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > On 2/28/2013 1:00 PM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > Joe, > > I'm no expert on the subject, but it occurs to me that you might be > painting a grimmer picture than it really is. > > Granted, gasoline on board is dangerous, but that applies to Atomics and > outboards as well, and people still use them. Propane tanks are also a > potential threat. Hondas are not much different. If you don't run or store > them below decks the risk is minimized. I'd also venture a guess that > marine ratings for exhaust and fuel storage would only apply for a > below-decks installation. My point is that with proper handling the Hondas > are no more dangerous than other gasoline or propane devices on board. > > A diesel genset would be nice, but it would cost more than a diesel main > engine and would have the same maintenance headaches. > > Don't know about insurance claims, they would use any excuse to not pay a > claim, but I'd think they would have to prove the gennie was a factor in > any fire. > > I'm on the electric boats yahoo group, there're lots of electric > conversions there that use Hondas as a backup. I would think they know a > thing or two about them... > > Cheers, > Alex. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com>wrote: > > > A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY > dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as such, do not > comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust systems. Any boater [ and > the boat's crew ] are put in grave danger when this type genset is operated > on a boat. > > Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company discover > that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will reject the claim. > > Bottom line - > A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been seriously > considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found the Cal 29 > with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail around the bay a few > times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm thinking electric might > have been a better option. I don't really use the engine much except to get > in and out of the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I > wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with the > diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including > a backup Honda generator. If anyone is interested, I could dig up the > details. > Cheers, > Alex. > On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, > although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. > > So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents > to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things > (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence > periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there > was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had > launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). > > But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop > off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was > headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing > power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched > along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and > exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran > just fine once we were in the clear. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > > > -- > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > > > -- > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > >

Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? Jerry From: Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k Not really any noisier than an outboard. Besides, unless you need the motor for more than 2-3 of hours (which turned out to be the case for me), you wouldn't even need to turn it on with an electric setup. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >And they are noisy! > > > > >________________________________ > From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > > >I still maintain that use of any non USCG approved genset on a boat is a VERY bad, even dangerous, idea. > >Joe DeMers - owner >Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > >On 2/28/2013 1:00 PM, Alex Kunadze wrote: >Joe, >> >>I'm no expert on the subject, but it occurs to me that you might be painting a grimmer picture than it really is. >> >>Granted, gasoline on board is dangerous, but that applies to Atomics and outboards as well, and people still use them. Propane tanks are also a potential threat. Hondas are not much different. If you don't run or store them below decks the risk is minimized. I'd also venture a guess that marine ratings for exhaust and fuel storage would only apply for a below-decks installation. My point is that with proper handling the Hondas are no more dangerous than other gasoline or propane devices on board. >> >>A diesel genset would be nice, but it would cost more than a diesel main engine and would have the same maintenance headaches. >> >>Don't know about insurance claims, they would use any excuse to not pay a claim, but I'd think they would have to prove the gennie was a factor in any fire. >> >>I'm on the electric boats yahoo group, there're lots of electric conversions there that use Hondas as a backup. I would think they know a thing or two about them... >> >>Cheers, >>Alex. >> >> >> >>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: >> >> >>>A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as such, do not comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust systems. Any boater [ and the boat's crew ] are put in grave danger when this type genset is operated on a boat. >>> >>>Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company discover that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will reject the claim. >>> >>>Bottom line - >>>A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. >>> >>>Joe DeMers - owner >>>Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >>>phone & fax (860) 666-2184 >>> >>> >>>On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: >>>Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been seriously considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found the Cal 29 with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail around the bay a few times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm thinking electric might have been a better option. I don't really use the engine much except to get in and out of the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with the diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including a backup Honda generator. If anyone is interested, I could dig up the details. >>>>Cheers, >>>>Alex. >>>>On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >>>>>> Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. >>>>> >>>>>So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents >>>>>to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things >>>>>(coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence >>>>>periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there >>>>>was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had >>>>>launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). >>>>> >>>>>But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop >>>>>off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was >>>>>headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing >>>>>power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched >>>>>along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and >>>>>exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran >>>>>just fine once we were in the clear. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Campbell >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>No virus found in this message. >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Joe DeMers - owner >>>Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >>>phone & fax (860) 666-2184 >> >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > >-- > >Joe DeMers - owner >Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > >

Yes, I can see how that would be annoying, even with a relatively quiet generator. I guess even an inboard diesel running on a mooring would be noisy... On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas > cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably > my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies > generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory > hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the > surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore > moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? > Jerry > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:23 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found > on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > Not really any noisier than an outboard. Besides, unless you need the > motor for more than 2-3 of hours (which turned out to be the case for me), > you wouldn't even need to turn it on with an electric setup. > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > > ** > > And they are noisy! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:16 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found > on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > I still maintain that use of any non USCG approved genset on a boat is a > VERY bad, even dangerous, idea. > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > On 2/28/2013 1:00 PM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > Joe, > > I'm no expert on the subject, but it occurs to me that you might be > painting a grimmer picture than it really is. > > Granted, gasoline on board is dangerous, but that applies to Atomics and > outboards as well, and people still use them. Propane tanks are also a > potential threat. Hondas are not much different. If you don't run or store > them below decks the risk is minimized. I'd also venture a guess that > marine ratings for exhaust and fuel storage would only apply for a > below-decks installation. My point is that with proper handling the Hondas > are no more dangerous than other gasoline or propane devices on board. > > A diesel genset would be nice, but it would cost more than a diesel main > engine and would have the same maintenance headaches. > > Don't know about insurance claims, they would use any excuse to not pay a > claim, but I'd think they would have to prove the gennie was a factor in > any fire. > > I'm on the electric boats yahoo group, there're lots of electric > conversions there that use Hondas as a backup. I would think they know a > thing or two about them... > > Cheers, > Alex. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com>wrote: > > > A "backup Honda generator" as noted in the post below, is a VERY > dangerous idea. These gas engines are not marine rated, and as such, do not > comply with USCG standards for fuel and exhaust systems. Any boater [ and > the boat's crew ] are put in grave danger when this type genset is operated > on a boat. > > Also, Should the boat burn or explode, and the insurance company discover > that a non marine gasoline genset was aboard, they will reject the claim. > > Bottom line - > A proper marine genset is much cheaper than a funeral. > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > On 2/28/2013 10:44 AM, Alex Kunadze wrote: > > Could be a good candidate for an electric conversion. I've been seriously > considering converting an engineless Cal 2-27 before I found the Cal 29 > with a good diesel. Now that I've had a chance to sail around the bay a few > times and had the diesel die on me suddenly, I'm thinking electric might > have been a better option. I don't really use the engine much except to get > in and out of the marina, electric would've been plenty for that, and I > wouldn't have had to deal with all the nagging little things with the > diesel. At the time I estimated a DIY option would've cost 4-5K, including > a backup Honda generator. If anyone is interested, I could dig up the > details. > Cheers, > Alex. > On Feb 28, 2013 7:12 AM, "Chris Campbell" <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 2/28/2013 9:36 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > Chris, you'll have to ask Jerry about the recalcitrant outboard, > although I do hear is quite a capable sailor. Necessity is a Mother. > > So is the outboard. Mine, the same age as my Cal 20, generally consents > to start and run, although despite rebuilding all manner of things > (coils, points, carburetor) it likes to remind me of its independence > periodically by choosing its own RPM range and smoke output. Then there > was the time the shift linkage broke, in reverse, moments after I had > launched and before the mast was stepped (i.e., this was a pure powerboat). > > But the worst was the time I'd scooted into the schooner berth to drop > off crew and was leaving via the narrow channel just as the schooner was > headed in. I cranked up the throttle and the outboard objected, losing > power and belching vast quantities of blue smoke. The boat barely inched > along. Most of the propulsive force was my exhortations and > exclamations at full volume directed at the @#%$&*!!! outboard. It ran > just fine once we were in the clear. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > > > -- > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > > > -- > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > > > >

On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas > cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. > Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket > of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied > by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box > permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the > close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. Chris Campbell

That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> ch On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas > cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably > my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies > generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory > hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the > surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore > moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? > > > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at > the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there > once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat > pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, > went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air > conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of > one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people > should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats > should not be allowed in pretty places. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > -- /ch

So I'm not allowed to run my heater? John From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> ch On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > >Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? >> > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. > >Chris Campbell > > > > -- /ch

Maybe that was too cryptic. Do you yell at or vandalize boats that are running their heaters? My forced air heater is about as loud as other heaters I've heard running and about loud as a Honda EU series generator. I don't run my heater overnight. I don't mind people running quiet generators at reasonable hours. Many, not all run their generators earlier in the afternoon and stop it, whereas I'll probably be running my heater for an hour or two in the evening. Are people not allowed to play music at all? Even quiet music can be heard all over an anchorage. If I can hear country and western music it is offensive to me no matter how quiet. Am I vindicated in slashing their speakers? No laughing allowed ? Talking? The people that have a couple of friends and some drinks that think they're being quiet when they've had enough that they're talking in loud voices are the best. Some reasonable level of noise has to be tolerated. Generators seem to have some special point of focus. From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k So I'm not allowed to run my heater? John From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> ch On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > >Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? >> > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. > >Chris Campbell > > > > -- /ch

On 3/3/2013 5:22 PM, chris123 wrote: > > > That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really > handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart > sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. MY thoughts ran in the direction of a .22 rifle, but our neighbors the Canadians are a little more rational about things like that than we are. Besides, we did not have one aboard. Chris Campbell > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org > <mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org>> wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: >> Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a >> canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of >> Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep >> with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee >> hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain >> crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at >> twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where >> is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? > > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The > Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were > anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the > cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their > generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their > boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest > of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's > nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not > be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should > not be allowed in pretty places. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > -- > /ch > > > >

John. I was looking at an issue of wooden boat that was left at the VA Hospital yesterday, and it had a nice assortment of wood burning stoves and installations on funky wooden boats. Of course, having plastic boats, means we're going to have to burn chipped polyester and glass..haha...just kidding. Maybe we can get away with compressed sawdust pellets instead. On the otherhand, since most Cals have plenty of teak and mahogany inside, we can do wood. Coal is a no no, unless it's "clean coal" that has beeen de-mercury-ized. Thankfully, it's been warming up here in So Cal, and Sunday we'll be back to day lite savings time. And Tuesday at 6 PM we will start our series with four free races as a warm up to the begining of our Vic Smith Tuesdaynight Trials begining in April. You can get more information by checking into our md… [at] yahoogroups.com site. Anyone out there in MarinadelRey lurking, that wants to have fun? We have my Cal 24, a Cal 25, and a Cal34 racing in Cruising A, B, and a PHRF class. The starting line is off Basin G in the main channel. Jerry PS: since looking up gensets on my browser I've been getting ads for Honda and Yamaha gensets everytime I go to a news site. Don't they know they're wasting their time and money on me? From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k So I'm not allowed to run my heater? John From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> ch On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > >Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? >> > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. > >Chris Campbell > > > > -- /ch

John, I think the racket I've heard was probably from Onans. The soft purrr of a Honda engine would probably lull me to sleep. But maybe not. When I go to Catalina now-a-days, I'm usually anchoring in a small cove with at most three other boats widely spaced apart, or anchoring well inside at Cat harbor so close in shallow water, that no one is around. My worst experience was my first trip to Catalina, and I was tied to the spring line mooring close to shore, and not far from the restauant and night club with it's disco. The problem was the youngsters after party parties going on, playing high powered infra-sound low frequency sub woofers that permeate the water and turn your boat into the the inside a marching band drum. It's was pure agony. Jerry From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k Maybe that was too cryptic. Do you yell at or vandalize boats that are running their heaters? My forced air heater is about as loud as other heaters I've heard running and about loud as a Honda EU series generator. I don't run my heater overnight. I don't mind people running quiet generators at reasonable hours. Many, not all run their generators earlier in the afternoon and stop it, whereas I'll probably be running my heater for an hour or two in the evening. Are people not allowed to play music at all? Even quiet music can be heard all over an anchorage. If I can hear country and western music it is offensive to me no matter how quiet. Am I vindicated in slashing their speakers? No laughing allowed ? Talking? The people that have a couple of friends and some drinks that think they're being quiet when they've had enough that they're talking in loud voices are the best. Some reasonable level of noise has to be tolerated. Generators seem to have some special point of focus. From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k So I'm not allowed to run my heater? John From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> ch On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > >Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? >> > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. > >Chris Campbell > > > > -- /ch

If you go to twin harbors and check out a cove called Little Fishermans Cove, that is where my dad and I spent summers. We were members of what was (and apparently still is) called the Channel Cursing Club. Allen On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > John, I think the racket I've heard was probably from Onans. The soft > purrr of a Honda engine would probably lull me to sleep. But maybe not. > When I go to Catalina now-a-days, I'm usually anchoring in a small cove > with at most three other boats widely spaced apart, or anchoring well > inside at Cat harbor so close in shallow water, that no one is around. My > worst experience was my first trip to Catalina, and I was tied to the > spring line mooring close to shore, and not far from the restauant and > night club with it's disco. The problem was the youngsters after party > parties going on, playing high powered infra-sound low frequency sub > woofers that permeate the water and turn your boat into the the inside a > marching band drum. It's was pure agony. > Jerry > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found > on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > Maybe that was too cryptic. Do you yell at or vandalize boats that are > running their heaters? My forced air heater is about as loud as other > heaters I've heard running and about loud as a Honda EU series generator. > I don't run my heater overnight. I don't mind people running quiet > generators at reasonable hours. Many, not all run their generators earlier > in the afternoon and stop it, whereas I'll probably be running my heater > for an hour or two in the evening. Are people not allowed to play music at > all? Even quiet music can be heard all over an anchorage. If I can hear > country and western music it is offensive to me no matter how quiet. Am I > vindicated in slashing their speakers? No laughing allowed ? Talking? The > people that have a couple of friends and some drinks that think they're > being quiet when they've had enough that they're talking in loud voices are > the best. > > Some reasonable level of noise has to be tolerated. Generators seem to > have some special point of focus. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found > on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > So I'm not allowed to run my heater? > > John > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found > on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially > at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a > dollar in case you need to cut some rope. > > Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. > > <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is > moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in > all sectors</end rant> > > ch > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas > cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably > my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies > generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory > hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the > surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore > moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? > > > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at > the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there > once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat > pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, > went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air > conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of > one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people > should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats > should not be allowed in pretty places. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > -- > /ch > > > > > > > > >

Allen, last time I tried to anchor there it was too overcrowded, and we went up the coast, and found a little spot southeast of Howands Landing (site of the famous CCCCCCCCCCC). I dropped my new Bruce style anchor, and kept getting up at night thinking we were drifting to ashore. We hadn't budged, and when we upped anchor we found our anchor was tightly wrapped in kelp, and wasn't going to let us go anywhere without untangling it. From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k If you go to twin harbors and check out a cove called Little Fishermans Cove, that is where my dad and I spent summers. We were members of what was (and apparently still is) called the Channel Cursing Club. Allen On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >John, I think the racket I've heard was probably from Onans. The soft purrr of a Honda engine would probably lull me to sleep. But maybe not. When I go to Catalina now-a-days, I'm usually anchoring in a small cove with at most three other boats widely spaced apart, or anchoring well inside at Cat harbor so close in shallow water, that no one is around. My worst experience was my first trip to Catalina, and I was tied to the spring line mooring close to shore, and not far from the restauant and night club with it's disco. The problem was the youngsters after party parties going on, playing high powered infra-sound low frequency sub woofers that permeate the water and turn your boat into the the inside a marching band drum. It's was pure agony. > >Jerry > > > > >________________________________ > From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > >Maybe that was too cryptic. Do you yell at or vandalize boats that are running their heaters? My forced air heater is about as loud as other heaters I've heard running and about loud as a Honda EU series generator. I don't run my heater overnight. I don't mind people running quiet generators at reasonable hours. Many, not all run their generators earlier in the afternoon and stop it, whereas I'll probably be running my heater for an hour or two in the evening. Are people not allowed to play music at all? Even quiet music can be heard all over an anchorage. If I can hear country and western music it is offensive to me no matter how quiet. Am I vindicated in slashing their speakers? No laughing allowed ? Talking? The people that have a couple of friends and some drinks that think they're being quiet when they've had enough that they're talking in loud voices are the best. > > >Some reasonable level of noise has to be tolerated. Generators seem to have some special point of focus. > > > >________________________________ > From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:32 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > >So I'm not allowed to run my heater? > > >John > > > >________________________________ > From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k > > > >That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. > >Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. > ><political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> > >ch > > >On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >> >> >>On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: >> >>Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? >>> >> Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. >> >>Chris Campbell >> >> >> >> > > >-- >/ch > > > > > > > >

I wasn't complaining about Hondas. I was complaining about the people that seem to be insisting any noise is not acceptable. They particularly seem to be anti generator no matter how quiet. I have a Webasto heater and have had someone make a comment about damn generators. We were far enough away with the exhaust on the far side from him that the noise must have been barely audible. I wonder if he would have complained if he knew it was a heater and not a generator. Anyway I've seen the same people bitch about noise on someone else's boat, but their brand of noise of course is acceptable. John From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k John, I think the racket I've heard was probably from Onans. The soft purrr of a Honda engine would probably lull me to sleep. But maybe not. When I go to Catalina now-a-days, I'm usually anchoring in a small cove with at most three other boats widely spaced apart, or anchoring well inside at Cat harbor so close in shallow water, that no one is around. My worst experience was my first trip to Catalina, and I was tied to the spring line mooring close to shore, and not far from the restauant and night club with it's disco. The problem was the youngsters after party parties going on, playing high powered infra-sound low frequency sub woofers that permeate the water and turn your boat into the the inside a marching band drum. It's was pure agony. Jerry From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k Maybe that was too cryptic. Do you yell at or vandalize boats that are running their heaters? My forced air heater is about as loud as other heaters I've heard running and about loud as a Honda EU series generator. I don't run my heater overnight. I don't mind people running quiet generators at reasonable hours. Many, not all run their generators earlier in the afternoon and stop it, whereas I'll probably be running my heater for an hour or two in the evening. Are people not allowed to play music at all? Even quiet music can be heard all over an anchorage. If I can hear country and western music it is offensive to me no matter how quiet. Am I vindicated in slashing their speakers? No laughing allowed ? Talking? The people that have a couple of friends and some drinks that think they're being quiet when they've had enough that they're talking in loud voices are the best. Some reasonable level of noise has to be tolerated. Generators seem to have some special point of focus. From: John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k So I'm not allowed to run my heater? John From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Honda gasoline gensets on boats [ CAL 29 found on Craigslist in Galesville/West River, IL for 2k That's where a snorkel mask and fins come in really handy.....especially at night...ooops..it fell overboard. Walmart sells a great knife for a dollar in case you need to cut some rope. Paradise especially in Canada should be left undisturbed. <political rant> to bad our gov under US and international pressure is moving to industry self regulation for environmental issues/conservation in all sectors</end rant> ch On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >On 2/28/2013 5:20 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > >Alex, I see, the Hondas are pretty quiet. Somebody even makes a canvas cover for them for on deck installations, out of Sunbrella. Understandably my recollections are of trying to sleep with the racket of somebodies generator buzzing away into the wee hours, accompanied by the obligatory hull deforming, brain crushing sub-woofer boom box permeating the surrounding sea, at twin harbors in Catalina, on the close to shore moorings. Where is that sub "Turtle" when you need her? >> > Great Lakes sailors who know the North Channel will remember The Pool at the end of Baie Fine as a special lovely place. We were anchored there once on a quiet summer evening, relaxing in the cockpit. A power boat pulled in and anchored. They started their generator on the swim platform, went below, and closed up their boat. One assumes that they had air conditioning. All the rest of us who were enjoying the natural splendor of one of earth's nicest places were left to hear the roar. Some people should not be allowed out in public, much less on boats. Power boats should not be allowed in pretty places. > >Chris Campbell > > > > -- /ch