More on MOB and Steering Drills

A curiosity. Would there be a difference between having a rudder on the boat that is not being used (no tiller or wheel steering), or having no rudder at all (the sucker fell off). Thanks Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Another Fatal Accident On 3/13/2013 1:23 PM, Jerry Huff wrote: I for one am glad I learned to sail with the Cal Sailing Club out of Berkeley, as they routinely teach rudderless sailing and to get a senior skipper rating in clearly over 15 knots of wind you must perform a rudderless man over board and rudderless docking. I will confess that I've never tried either of these. That might be a good project for next summer. I've done the usual weather helm/lee helm things with sail trim but nothing as complex as a MOB pickup. Chris Campbell

My worst nightmare as I tend to do more solo sailing that with a crew...or with a crew that is competent to handle a situation such as no rudder or MOB. VHS and the small ACR EPIRB on my person...as well as trying to be disciplined about being tethered in at all times or when going forward...but we all know how easy it is simply to run up forward when you need to help the genoa around. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > A curiosity. Would there be a difference between having a rudder on the boat that is not being used (no tiller or wheel steering), or having no rudder at all (the sucker fell off). > > Thanks > Charlie > Annapolis > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:49 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Another Fatal Accident > > > > > On 3/13/2013 1:23 PM, Jerry Huff wrote: > I for one am glad I learned to sail with the Cal Sailing Club out of Berkeley, as they routinely teach rudderless sailing and to get a senior skipper rating in clearly over 15 knots of wind you must perform a rudderless man over board and rudderless docking. > > I will confess that I've never tried either of these. That might be a good project for next summer. I've done the usual weather helm/lee helm things with sail trim but nothing as complex as a MOB pickup. > > Chris Campbell >

Hi Carlie, There is a small difference between a tiller tied to center and not having one, but the principle and techniques are the same, so I do not recommend removing tiller to practice. Jerry On 3/13/13 12:46 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > A curiosity. Would there be a difference between having a rudder on > the boat that is not being used (no tiller or wheel steering), or > having no rudder at all (the sucker fell off). > > Thanks > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Chris Campbell > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:49 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Another Fatal Accident > > > > > On 3/13/2013 1:23 PM, Jerry Huff wrote: > > I for one am glad I learned to sail with the Cal Sailing Club out > of Berkeley, as they routinely teach rudderless sailing and to get > a senior skipper rating in clearly over 15 knots of wind you must > perform a rudderless man over board and rudderless docking. > > > I will confess that I've never tried either of these. That might be a > good project for next summer. I've done the usual weather helm/lee > helm things with sail trim but nothing as complex as a MOB pickup. > > Chris Campbell > > >

On 3/13/2013 3:46 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > A curiosity. Would there be a difference between having a rudder on > the boat that is not being used (no tiller or wheel steering), or > having no rudder at all (the sucker fell off). > In either event you couldn't heave to, right, since that requires forcing the bow up via rudder and mainsail while the jib is working to make the bow fall off. Chris Campbell > >

Hi Chris, Just try it, you will be amazed at how much the main will over power the jib and just like tacking the jib will luff and then back fill. Jerry On 3/13/13 1:13 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > > On 3/13/2013 3:46 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >> >> A curiosity. Would there be a difference between having a rudder on >> the boat that is not being used (no tiller or wheel steering), or >> having no rudder at all (the sucker fell off). >> > > In either event you couldn't heave to, right, since that requires > forcing the bow up via rudder and mainsail while the jib is working to > make the bow fall off. > Chris Campbell >> >> > >