Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina

Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just curious, the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg vanDalen Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy right now. Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until around 04z.

Charlie, Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see white caps in the fairways. Greg From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just curious, the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. Take Care Charlie From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg vanDalen Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! From:Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy right now. Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until around 04z.

I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the course of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there is some. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Charlie, > > Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see white > caps in the fairways. > > Greg > > *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina > ** > > Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just curious, > the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. > > Take Care > Charlie > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Greg vanDalen > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina > > > > > We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional > spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock > cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! > > > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina > > Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy right > now. > > Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until > around 04z. > > > > **** >

You guys are scaring me. I'm away till next Sun., can't check on the boat... hope it's still in one piece... On Apr 16, 2013 1:28 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis > than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the course > of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay > close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there > is some. > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Charlie, >> >> Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see white >> caps in the fairways. >> >> Greg >> >> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >> ** >> >> Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just curious, >> the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. >> >> Take Care >> Charlie >> >> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Greg vanDalen >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >> >> >> >> >> We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional >> spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock >> cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! >> >> >> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >> >> Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy right >> now. >> >> Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until >> around 04z. >> >> >> >> **** >> > > >

SFO, very close to Papoose, was the worst. Not near as bad other places although still bad. We had 40 knots in the marina and I am told by a friend that Papoose was 1/16 inch off the dock before he took in a foot on my stern line. We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. Allen On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > You guys are scaring me. I'm away till next Sun., can't check on the > boat... hope it's still in one piece... > On Apr 16, 2013 1:28 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> > wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis >> than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the course >> of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay >> close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there >> is some. >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> Charlie, >>> >>> Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see white >>> caps in the fairways. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >>> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>> ** >>> >>> Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just curious, >>> the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. >>> >>> Take Care >>> Charlie >>> >>> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Greg vanDalen >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM >>> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional >>> spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock >>> cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! >>> >>> >>> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >>> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM >>> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>> >>> Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy right >>> now. >>> >>> Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until >>> around 04z. >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >> >> >

Hmm... I'm at Coyote Point, right next to SFO, and my dock lines weren't that thick... oh well, at least my jib is thanked on, so it lives down below. I guess I'd better call the marina... On Apr 16, 2013 1:41 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > SFO, very close to Papoose, was the worst. Not near as bad other places > although still bad. We had 40 knots in the marina and I am told by a > friend that Papoose was 1/16 inch off the dock before he took in a foot on > my stern line. > > We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose > is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder > about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled > jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My > jibs are in my attic and they look fine. > > Allen > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> You guys are scaring me. I'm away till next Sun., can't check on the >> boat... hope it's still in one piece... >> On Apr 16, 2013 1:28 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis >>> than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the >>> course of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay >>> close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there >>> is some. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Charlie, >>>> >>>> Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see >>>> white caps in the fairways. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >>>> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>> ** >>>> >>>> Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just >>>> curious, the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> Charlie >>>> >>>> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Greg vanDalen >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM >>>> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional >>>> spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock >>>> cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >>>> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM >>>> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>> >>>> Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy >>>> right now. >>>> >>>> Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until >>>> around 04z. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>> >>> > >

Surprisingly there were no signs of flailing jibs, flying covers, or wandering boats in our marina. I would guess, however, a couple of boats probably dragged in Richardson Bay. Greg From: Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina Hmm... I'm at Coyote Point, right next to SFO, and my dock lines weren't that thick... oh well, at least my jib is thanked on, so it lives down below. I guess I'd better call the marina... On Apr 16, 2013 1:41 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >SFO, very close to Papoose, was the worst. Not near as bad other places although still bad. We had 40 knots in the marina and I am told by a friend that Papoose was 1/16 inch off the dock before he took in a foot on my stern line. > > >We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. > > >Allen >On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >>You guys are scaring me. I'm away till next Sun., can't check on the boat... hope it's still in one piece... >>On Apr 16, 2013 1:28 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the course of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there is some. >>>On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >>>Charlie, >>>> >>>>Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see white caps in the fairways. >>>> >>>>Greg >>>> >>>> >>>>From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >>>>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>> >>>> >>>>Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just curious, the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. >>>> >>>>Take Care >>>>Charlie >>>> >>>>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg vanDalen >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM >>>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>>Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>> >>>>We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>From:Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >>>>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM >>>>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>> >>>>Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy right now. >>>> >>>>Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until around 04z.

Don't you have a little more protection from the foothills down at Coyote Point? It is the gaps in the mountains on each side of Mt San Bruno that make for the strong winds. I am right behind Mt San Bruno so it is either protected or blows like hell depending on the wind direction. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > Hmm... I'm at Coyote Point, right next to SFO, and my dock lines weren't > that thick... oh well, at least my jib is thanked on, so it lives down > below. I guess I'd better call the marina... > On Apr 16, 2013 1:41 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> > wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> SFO, very close to Papoose, was the worst. Not near as bad other places >> although still bad. We had 40 knots in the marina and I am told by a >> friend that Papoose was 1/16 inch off the dock before he took in a foot on >> my stern line. >> >> We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose >> is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder >> about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled >> jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My >> jibs are in my attic and they look fine. >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alex Kunadze <kr… [at] gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> You guys are scaring me. I'm away till next Sun., can't check on the >>> boat... hope it's still in one piece... >>> On Apr 16, 2013 1:28 PM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis >>>> than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the >>>> course of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay >>>> close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there >>>> is some. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Charlie, >>>>> >>>>> Not substantially (that I could tell). It was more amazing to see >>>>> white caps in the fairways. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >>>>> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:37 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>>> ** >>>>> >>>>> Do these winds affect the water height at your marinas? Just >>>>> curious, the effect of winds on water height in Annapolis is substantial. >>>>> >>>>> Take Care >>>>> Charlie >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] >>>>> *On Behalf Of *Greg vanDalen >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:24 AM >>>>> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>>> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We are in Richmond, and I went down to the boat and added additional >>>>> spring lines and ran the tails of the other lines to adjoining dock >>>>> cleats. We were healed over just tied to the slip! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >>>>> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 7:03 PM >>>>> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina >>>>> >>>>> Forecast for where I keep Papoose in SF Bay. It is really windy >>>>> right now. >>>>> >>>>> Strong westerly winds of 32-37 kt with gusts of 42-48 kt until >>>>> around 04z. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >

On 4/16/2013 1:28 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at > Annapolis than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing > over the course of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have > to pay close attention to notice the change from the wind although I > am sure there is some. On the Great Lakes, Lake Erie is notorious for storm surges because it has an E-W axis aligned with prevailing winds and storm movement. Here's a cool graph showing water levels at Toledo (west end) and Buffalo (east end), with a difference in this storm of about 11 feet. > http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/seagrant/glwlphotos/Seiche/December2000/ErieSeiche.html Let's see if I can insert the graphic: Graphic of Lake Erie water levels at Buffalo, Cleveland and Toledo - depicts a ~6 foot set-down in Toledo and ~!4.5 foot set-up in Buffalo I think the record is something like 15 feet. Then it sloshes back and forth for a while like water in a bathtub. The other lakes have similar, but less dramatic, level variations with wind conditions. We have no tides, but wind and atmospheric pressure drive the water levels. Chris Campbell >

Feeling pretty spoiled here on the Chesapeake! Paul In a message dated 4/16/2013 3:15:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: On 4/16/2013 1:28 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: I am guessing "substantial" has a different meaning to you all at Annapolis than it does here. We typically see 8 feet of tide swing over the course of a day where I have Papoose. You would really have to pay close attention to notice the change from the wind although I am sure there is some. On the Great Lakes, Lake Erie is notorious for storm surges because it has an E-W axis aligned with prevailing winds and storm movement. Here's a cool graph showing water levels at Toledo (west end) and Buffalo (east end), with a difference in this storm of about 11 feet. http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/seagrant/glwlphotos/Seiche/December2000/ErieSeiche .html Let's see if I can insert the graphic: I think the record is something like 15 feet. Then it sloshes back and forth for a while like water in a bathtub. The other lakes have similar, but less dramatic, level variations with wind conditions. We have no tides, but wind and atmospheric pressure drive the water levels. Chris Campbell

On 4/16/2013 1:41 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. > Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I > always wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest > loss is furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them > and secure them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. As we've discussed before, it's the careless people who make trouble for more careful sailors. I've been spending weekends on the annual varnishing and prep work of my other boat. Outside the boat barn are some mast-up stored boats. In a bit of a breeze, the halyards are slapping bang-bang-bang, and that means they've been doing it all winter long (maybe worse, if the aluminum masts shrink enough in the cold weather). It can't be good for the halyard or the mast to spend hour after hour slapping away for months on end. If nothing else, it just signals a lack of concern for boat & equipment. Me, I want my boat to be my friend and to carry me safely in a hostile environment. I want things to work when I need them and not fail at inconvenient times. Does anything ever fail at a convenient time? Maybe--that boat's topping lift is showing signs of failure at 52 years old so I've measured it for replacement. I paused and thought that maybe I could get one more season and then realized that it was the worst sort of false economy, even for dedicated cheapskate like me. What if a squall blows up and I douse sail and the topping lift parts and the spruce boom crashes down.... No, let's not save a few pennies. Chris Campbell

Chris, A friend would release the halyards that were banging and send them up the mast. The owner seemed to be more careful after that for some reason. But this was in the slip as we sail all year around here. May take longer for people to learn and harder to get on boats that are on the hard. Allen On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > On 4/16/2013 1:41 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. > Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always > wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is > furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure > them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. > > > As we've discussed before, it's the careless people who make trouble for > more careful sailors. I've been spending weekends on the annual varnishing > and prep work of my other boat. Outside the boat barn are some mast-up > stored boats. In a bit of a breeze, the halyards are slapping > bang-bang-bang, and that means they've been doing it all winter long (maybe > worse, if the aluminum masts shrink enough in the cold weather). It can't > be good for the halyard or the mast to spend hour after hour slapping away > for months on end. > > If nothing else, it just signals a lack of concern for boat & equipment. > Me, I want my boat to be my friend and to carry me safely in a hostile > environment. I want things to work when I need them and not fail at > inconvenient times. Does anything ever fail at a convenient time? > Maybe--that boat's topping lift is showing signs of failure at 52 years old > so I've measured it for replacement. I paused and thought that maybe I > could get one more season and then realized that it was the worst sort of > false economy, even for dedicated cheapskate like me. What if a squall > blows up and I douse sail and the topping lift parts and the spruce boom > crashes down.... No, let's not save a few pennies. > > Chris Campbell > > >

That's pretty radical, but I"m sure effective. We had a live aboard when I was at Shilshole who would go to Home Depot and buy a bag of bungies. When it blew, he would go around and use the bungies to pull the slapping halyards away from the mast. A lot nicer, but still pro-active way to give an owner a heads up. Most of the guys appreciated it and were equally careful to use them in the future. I was one of them. Wilkie On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > > A friend would release the halyards that were banging and send them up the mast. The owner seemed to be more careful after that for some reason. But this was in the slip as we sail all year around here. May take longer for people to learn and harder to get on boats that are on the hard. > > Allen > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 4/16/2013 1:41 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >> We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. > > As we've discussed before, it's the careless people who make trouble for more careful sailors. I've been spending weekends on the annual varnishing and prep work of my other boat. Outside the boat barn are some mast-up stored boats. In a bit of a breeze, the halyards are slapping bang-bang-bang, and that means they've been doing it all winter long (maybe worse, if the aluminum masts shrink enough in the cold weather). It can't be good for the halyard or the mast to spend hour after hour slapping away for months on end. > > If nothing else, it just signals a lack of concern for boat & equipment. Me, I want my boat to be my friend and to carry me safely in a hostile environment. I want things to work when I need them and not fail at inconvenient times. Does anything ever fail at a convenient time? Maybe--that boat's topping lift is showing signs of failure at 52 years old so I've measured it for replacement. I paused and thought that maybe I could get one more season and then realized that it was the worst sort of false economy, even for dedicated cheapskate like me. What if a squall blows up and I douse sail and the topping lift parts and the spruce boom crashes down.... No, let's not save a few pennies. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >

Our slip neighbor has an in-mast furler that literally sounds like someone banging on a big bell as that damn thing slaps around the inside of his mast. Drives me nuts! I'd hate to be a live aboard in our marina as not many make the effort to keep their halyards quiet. Paul From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina That's pretty radical, but I"m sure effective. We had a live aboard when I was at Shilshole who would go to Home Depot and buy a bag of bungies. When it blew, he would go around and use the bungies to pull the slapping halyards away from the mast. A lot nicer, but still pro-active way to give an owner a heads up. Most of the guys appreciated it and were equally careful to use them in the future. I was one of them. Wilkie On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: Chris, A friend would release the halyards that were banging and send them up the mast. The owner seemed to be more careful after that for some reason. But this was in the slip as we sail all year around here. May take longer for people to learn and harder to get on boats that are on the hard. Allen On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: On 4/16/2013 1:41 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: < /div> We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. As we've discussed before, it's the careless people who make trouble for more careful sailors. I've been spending weekends on the annual varnishing and prep work of my other boat. Outside the boat barn are some mast-up stored boats. In a bit of a breeze, the halyards are slapping bang-bang-bang, and that means they've been doing it all winter long (maybe worse, if the aluminum masts shrink enough in the cold weather). It can't be good for the halyard or the mast to spend hour after hour slapping away for month s on end. If nothing else, it just signals a lack of concern for boat & equipment. Me, I want my boat to be my friend and to carry me safely in a hostile environment. I want things to work when I need them and not fail at inconvenient times. Does anything ever fail at a convenient time? Maybe--that boat's topping lift is showing signs of failure at 52 years old so I've measured it for replacement. I paused and thought that maybe I could get one more season and then realized that it was the worst sort of false economy, even for dedicated cheapskate like me. What if a squall blows up and I douse sail and the topping lift parts and the spruce boom crashes down.... No, let's not save a few pennies. Chris Campbell

We had 29 knots at LAX next to Marina del Rey, gusting to 35. Our Tuesday Nite Trials race was cancelled, and last week it was almost as bad and I decided not to leave the dock. After previously complaining about not enuff wind, now, we've way too much. Anyone know any prayers to the wind god (Aeolus) for him to pipe down, or is that a bit presumptuous? Some gods take offense if you tell them how to do their job (I bet very few people know that one) and extract divine retribution, especially what with Global Climate change, which of course we know, can't possibly be happening to us few innocent human beings (all just 7 billion of us). Jerry of Shpritz From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina Chris, A friend would release the halyards that were banging and send them up the mast. The owner seemed to be more careful after that for some reason. But this was in the slip as we sail all year around here. May take longer for people to learn and harder to get on boats that are on the hard. Allen On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > >On 4/16/2013 1:41 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > >> >>We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. > As we've discussed before, it's the careless people who make trouble for more careful sailors. I've been spending weekends on the annual varnishing and prep work of my other boat. Outside the boat barn are some mast-up stored boats. In a bit of a breeze, the halyards are slapping bang-bang-bang, and that means they've been doing it all winter long (maybe worse, if the aluminum masts shrink enough in the cold weather). It can't be good for the halyard or the mast to spend hour after hour slapping away for months on end. > >If nothing else, it just signals a lack of concern for boat & equipment. Me, I want my boat to be my friend and to carry me safely in a hostile environment. I want things to work when I need them and not fail at inconvenient times. Does anything ever fail at a convenient time? Maybe--that boat's topping lift is showing signs of failure at 52 years old so I've measured it for replacement. I paused and thought that maybe I could get one more season and then realized that it was the worst sort of false economy, even for dedicated cheapskate like me. What if a squall blows up and I douse sail and the topping lift parts and the spruce boom crashes down.... No, let's not save a few pennies. > >Chris Campbell > >

Never pray for wind. You might just get it. Only advice I know along those lines. Allen On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > We had 29 knots at LAX next to Marina del Rey, gusting to 35. Our Tuesday > Nite Trials race was cancelled, and last week it was almost as bad and I > decided not to leave the dock. After previously complaining about not enuff > wind, now, we've way too much. Anyone know any prayers to the wind god > (Aeolus) for him to pipe down, or is that a bit presumptuous? Some gods > take offense if you tell them how to do their job (I bet very few people > know that one) and extract divine retribution, especially what with Global > Climate change, which of course we know, can't possibly be happening to us > few innocent human beings (all just 7 billion of us). > Jerry of Shpritz > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:10 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Wind at my marina > > > Chris, > > A friend would release the halyards that were banging and send them up the > mast. The owner seemed to be more careful after that for some reason. But > this was in the slip as we sail all year around here. May take longer for > people to learn and harder to get on boats that are on the hard. > > Allen > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>wrote: > > ** > > On 4/16/2013 1:41 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > We get 60 knots in the marina every few years so we can take it. > Papoose is 36 feet, 12000 pounds and has 3/4 inch dock lines. I always > wonder about the boats around with thinner lines. The biggest loss is > furled jibs. Be sure to put a few warps of sheet around them and secure > them. My jibs are in my attic and they look fine. > > > As we've discussed before, it's the careless people who make trouble for > more careful sailors. I've been spending weekends on the annual varnishing > and prep work of my other boat. Outside the boat barn are some mast-up > stored boats. In a bit of a breeze, the halyards are slapping > bang-bang-bang, and that means they've been doing it all winter long (maybe > worse, if the aluminum masts shrink enough in the cold weather). It can't > be good for the halyard or the mast to spend hour after hour slapping away > for months on end. > > If nothing else, it just signals a lack of concern for boat & equipment. > Me, I want my boat to be my friend and to carry me safely in a hostile > environment. I want things to work when I need them and not fail at > inconvenient times. Does anything ever fail at a convenient time? > Maybe--that boat's topping lift is showing signs of failure at 52 years old > so I've measured it for replacement. I paused and thought that maybe I > could get one more season and then realized that it was the worst sort of > false economy, even for dedicated cheapskate like me. What if a squall > blows up and I douse sail and the topping lift parts and the spruce boom > crashes down.... No, let's not save a few pennies. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >