Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39

My boat was not setup for spinnaker. I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. Trying to get ready for the GVR!

I recommend snatch blocks. See http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253 for some photos. A less expensive choice that doesn't provide the "flexibility" may be. http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx Whatever you decide on, don't buy the least expensive. Go one size larger than recommended, and buy good quality stuff. Personally, I prefer Schaefer. As for winches, I not sure what to say. Without a second set of winches, hoisting/dousing the spinnaker will be cumbersome. You may need to douse/furl the genoa then hoist the spinnaker. It's a lot easier to hoist/douse a spinnaker when the genoa is out as shields the spinnaker from airflow going up/down. Michael From: slavanaway <sa… [at] lavanaway.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 My boat was not setup for spinnaker. I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. Trying to get ready for the GVR!

I am new to spinnakers myself. My "coach" told me to replace the snatch blocks with regular blocks as he has blown up snatch blocks because the load is double on a turning block. He has a T-10 with a much smaller spinnaker than I have and I assume your Cal-39 has an even larger one than mine. If you are trying to stay with single winches, you are probably going to need four rope clutches. Better to get two more winches. Allen On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > I recommend snatch blocks. See > http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253 for some > photos. > > A less expensive choice that doesn't provide the "flexibility" may be. > http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx > > Whatever you decide on, don't buy the least expensive. Go one size larger > than recommended, and buy good quality stuff. Personally, I prefer > Schaefer. > > As for winches, I not sure what to say. Without a second set of winches, > hoisting/dousing the spinnaker will be cumbersome. You may need to > douse/furl the genoa then hoist the spinnaker. It's a lot easier to > hoist/douse a spinnaker when the genoa is out as shields the spinnaker from > airflow going up/down. > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* slavanaway <sa… [at] lavanaway.org> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:27 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. Got a > pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of winches in > the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for the > turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup and have > time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > >

Osprey has cheek blocks on a SS brackets. Photo attached. Duane Knize /Marlyn/, Cal 2-39, #18 On 4/10/2013 6:27 AM, slavanaway wrote: > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. > Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of > winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for > the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup > and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > >

Photo E-mail View slideshow <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=play&resid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=5&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM>| Download images <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=downloadphotos&resid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=5&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM> All I can tell you is what we do, and it has worked well for us. We have a sheet and afterguy on each side. Our foreguy is double ended, with a single block on the pole attached with a snap-shackle. This leads two twin blocks on the foredeck, approximately half way between the headstay and forward edge of the cabin. The foreguy(s) then run down each side-deck, back to the cockpit, so that the fore-guy can be adjusted from either side. As it is double ended, it has the side-benefit of 2:1 purchase at the pole. Much easier to adjust. The afterguys are lead to the rail at the approximate widest point on the boat, then directly back to the cockpit winches. The sheets are lead to the rail at about the middle of the cockpit, then directly to the winches. We do not lead spinnaker sheets to the stern unless we are going to be on a long reach, maybe 10 miles or more. This reduces unnecessary chafe on the underside of the boom, and eliminates the need for fixed turning blocks, which must be over-sized because the load on them is double, and turning blocks also add unnecessary friction. With the Cal-40, we have never used anything heavier than a common snatch-block when we occasionally sheet the spinnaker sheet to the stern. Never had a problem in 30 years. They are good-quality turning blocks. Our larger winches are relatively forward in the cockpit, for a more direct lead for either the genoa sheets or afterguys. Our smaller winches are mounted farther aft, for the spinnaker sheets. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=play&resid=369A0D200672EA19!889&parid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=1&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM> Twin foreguy blocks <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=play&resid=369A0D200672EA19!890&parid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=1&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM> Our spinnaker sheets lead to the pad-eye on the rail, just forward of the aft winch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 I am new to spinnakers myself. My "coach" told me to replace the snatch blocks with regular blocks as he has blown up snatch blocks because the load is double on a turning block. He has a T-10 with a much smaller spinnaker than I have and I assume your Cal-39 has an even larger one than mine. If you are trying to stay with single winches, you are probably going to need four rope clutches. Better to get two more winches. Allen On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:md… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: I recommend snatch blocks. See http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253<http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253> for some photos. A less expensive choice that doesn't provide the "flexibility" may be. http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx<http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx> Whatever you decide on, don't buy the least expensive. Go one size larger than recommended, and buy good quality stuff. Personally, I prefer Schaefer. As for winches, I not sure what to say. Without a second set of winches, hoisting/dousing the spinnaker will be cumbersome. You may need to douse/furl the genoa then hoist the spinnaker. It's a lot easier to hoist/douse a spinnaker when the genoa is out as shields the spinnaker from airflow going up/down. Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slavanaway <sa… [at] lavanaway.org<mailto:sa… [at] lavanaway.org>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 My boat was not setup for spinnaker. I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. Trying to get ready for the GVR! These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here<http://g.msn.com/1cl91enus/PMFooter>. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN<http://g.msn.com/0PHenus1/29>.

Looks good. I want to minimize the additions to the side deck if possible. The Cal 39 does not have a lot, especially near the cockpit. Did you buy them of have them made? Sam --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Duane Knize <knized@...> wrote: > > Osprey has cheek blocks on a SS brackets. > Photo attached. > > Duane Knize > /Marlyn/, Cal 2-39, #18 > > > On 4/10/2013 6:27 AM, slavanaway wrote: > > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. > > Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of > > winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for > > the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup > > and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > >

Fin, Thanks for the pics. I will try the block, probably not snatch as I will not be taking them on and off real often. Sam --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > Photo E-mail View slideshow <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=play&resid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=5&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM>| Download images <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=downloadphotos&resid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=5&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM> > All I can tell you is what we do, and it has worked well for us. We have a sheet and afterguy on each side. > > Our foreguy is double ended, with a single block on the pole attached with a snap-shackle. This leads two twin blocks on the foredeck, approximately half way between the headstay and forward edge of the cabin. The foreguy(s) then run down each side-deck, back to the cockpit, so that the fore-guy can be adjusted from either side. As it is double ended, it has the side-benefit of 2:1 purchase at the pole. Much easier to adjust. > > The afterguys are lead to the rail at the approximate widest point on the boat, then directly back to the cockpit winches. > > The sheets are lead to the rail at about the middle of the cockpit, then directly to the winches. We do not lead spinnaker sheets to the stern unless we are going to be on a long reach, maybe 10 miles or more. This reduces unnecessary chafe on the underside of the boom, and eliminates the need for fixed turning blocks, which must be over-sized because the load on them is double, and turning blocks also add unnecessary friction. > > With the Cal-40, we have never used anything heavier than a common snatch-block when we occasionally sheet the spinnaker sheet to the stern. Never had a problem in 30 years. They are good-quality turning blocks. > > Our larger winches are relatively forward in the cockpit, for a more direct lead for either the genoa sheets or afterguys. > > Our smaller winches are mounted farther aft, for the spinnaker sheets. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, CA > > <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=play&resid=369A0D200672EA19!889&parid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=1&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM> > Twin foreguy blocks > <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=369a0d200672ea19&page=play&resid=369A0D200672EA19!890&parid=369A0D200672EA19!888&type=1&authkey=!AIqIfEg1MI49nCM> > Our spinnaker sheets lead to the pad-eye on the rail, just forward of the aft winch. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Allen Edwards<mailto:allen.p.edwards@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 > > > > > > I am new to spinnakers myself. My "coach" told me to replace the snatch blocks with regular blocks as he has blown up snatch blocks because the load is double on a turning block. He has a T-10 with a much smaller spinnaker than I have and I assume your Cal-39 has an even larger one than mine. > > > If you are trying to stay with single winches, you are probably going to need four rope clutches. Better to get two more winches. > > > Allen > > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Michael D <mddfl@...<mailto:mddfl@...>> wrote: > > > > I recommend snatch blocks. See http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253<http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253> for some photos. > > A less expensive choice that doesn't provide the "flexibility" may be. http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx<http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx> > > Whatever you decide on, don't buy the least expensive. Go one size larger than recommended, and buy good quality stuff. Personally, I prefer Schaefer. > > As for winches, I not sure what to say. Without a second set of winches, hoisting/dousing the spinnaker will be cumbersome. You may need to douse/furl the genoa then hoist the spinnaker. It's a lot easier to hoist/douse a spinnaker when the genoa is out as shields the spinnaker from airflow going up/down. > > Michael > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: slavanaway <sam@...<mailto:sam@...>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:27 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 > > > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > > > > > > > > > > These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here<http://g.msn.com/1cl91enus/PMFooter>. > To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN<http://g.msn.com/0PHenus1/29>. >

Do you know where I can get a set of good used ST winches? Anytime the line goes past 90 degrees loads dramatically increase that's why the fairlead to the winch idea is appealing. It also makes it easier to trim I would think. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.p.edwards@...> wrote: > > I am new to spinnakers myself. My "coach" told me to replace the snatch > blocks with regular blocks as he has blown up snatch blocks because the > load is double on a turning block. He has a T-10 with a much smaller > spinnaker than I have and I assume your Cal-39 has an even larger one than > mine. > > If you are trying to stay with single winches, you are probably going to > need four rope clutches. Better to get two more winches. > > Allen > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Michael D <mddfl@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > I recommend snatch blocks. See > > http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=253 for some > > photos. > > > > A less expensive choice that doesn't provide the "flexibility" may be. > > http://www.apsltd.com/c-435-harkenmidrangeblocks.aspx > > > > Whatever you decide on, don't buy the least expensive. Go one size larger > > than recommended, and buy good quality stuff. Personally, I prefer > > Schaefer. > > > > As for winches, I not sure what to say. Without a second set of winches, > > hoisting/dousing the spinnaker will be cumbersome. You may need to > > douse/furl the genoa then hoist the spinnaker. It's a lot easier to > > hoist/douse a spinnaker when the genoa is out as shields the spinnaker from > > airflow going up/down. > > > > Michael > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* slavanaway <sam@...> > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:27 AM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Setting up a spinnaker on Cal 39 > > > > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. Got a > > pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of winches in > > the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for the > > turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup and have > > time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > > > > > > > >

Sam, Osprey is a friends boat but I'm pretty sure the turning blocks were there when he bought her. I would think a SS fabricator could bend some 1/8" (or so) stainless sheet that you could through bolt to the deck/combing. You would probably need the largest Shaefer cheek blocks to handle the 2x sheet loads. Duane On 4/10/2013 1:28 PM, slavanaway wrote: > > Looks good. I want to minimize the additions to the side deck if > possible. The Cal 39 does not have a lot, especially near the cockpit. > > Did you buy them of have them made? > > Sam > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Duane Knize <knized@...> wrote: > > > > Osprey has cheek blocks on a SS brackets. > > Photo attached. > > > > Duane Knize > > /Marlyn/, Cal 2-39, #18 > > > > > > On 4/10/2013 6:27 AM, slavanaway wrote: > > > > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > > > > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. > > > Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of > > > winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > > > > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for > > > the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup > > > and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > > > > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > > > > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > > > > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > > > > > > >

I use Garhauer foot blocks to turn my jib sheets. They are a lot stronger than cheek blocks. http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=31 When I made my pad for the foot block, I created a little script to calculate the dimensions so that the line will run true. It may be of interest although I will be the first to say it is not very well written. http://L-36.com/turn.php <http://l-36.com/turn.php> Allen On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Duane Knize <kn… [at] san.rr.com> wrote: > ** > > > ** Sam, > > Osprey is a friends boat but I'm pretty sure the turning blocks were there > when he bought her. > > I would think a SS fabricator could bend some 1/8" (or so) stainless sheet > that you could through bolt to the deck/combing. > > You would probably need the largest Shaefer cheek blocks to handle the 2x > sheet loads. > > Duane > > > On 4/10/2013 1:28 PM, slavanaway wrote: > > > > Looks good. I want to minimize the additions to the side deck if possible. > The Cal 39 does not have a lot, especially near the cockpit. > > Did you buy them of have them made? > > Sam > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Duane Knize <knized@...> <knized@...>wrote: > > > > Osprey has cheek blocks on a SS brackets. > > Photo attached. > > > > Duane Knize > > /Marlyn/, Cal 2-39, #18 > > > > > > On 4/10/2013 6:27 AM, slavanaway wrote: > > > > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > > > > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. > > > Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of > > > winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > > > > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for > > > the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup > > > and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > > > > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > > > > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > > > > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > > > > > > > >

On 4/10/2013 11:00 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I use Garhauer foot blocks to turn my jib sheets. They are a lot > stronger than cheek blocks. > http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=31 Tell me about the definitions of foot block & cheek block. Does the boot block have the 4-bolt pattern, or some other distinction? I would normally rather kiss a cheek than a foot but when it comes to blocks, using the right one is a good idea. Chris Campbell >

The foot blocks are much stronger with bolts going through both the top and bottom plates including one in the center through the sheave. I think the ones I got had 5 3/8 bolts. You won't find that on a cheek block. Allen On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > ** > > > On 4/10/2013 11:00 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > I use Garhauer foot blocks to turn my jib sheets. They are a lot stronger > than cheek blocks. > http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=31 > > > Tell me about the definitions of foot block & cheek block. Does the boot > block have the 4-bolt pattern, or some other distinction? > > I would normally rather kiss a cheek than a foot but when it comes to > blocks, using the right one is a good idea. > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

One more picture of a turning block; this time on a Cal 3-39 Corinthian model. The factory bolted Schaefer cheek blocks directly to the sides of the cockpit coamings. Duane Marlyn Cal 2-39, # 18 On 4/10/2013 1:28 PM, slavanaway wrote: > > Looks good. I want to minimize the additions to the side deck if > possible. The Cal 39 does not have a lot, especially near the cockpit. > > Did you buy them of have them made? > > Sam > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > Duane Knize <knized@...> wrote: > > > > Osprey has cheek blocks on a SS brackets. > > Photo attached. > > > > Duane Knize > > /Marlyn/, Cal 2-39, #18 > > > > > > On 4/10/2013 6:27 AM, slavanaway wrote: > > > > > > My boat was not setup for spinnaker. > > > > > > I have added a topping lift, down haul, 3-1 mast track for the pole. > > > Got a pole and dual car setup all installed. I have only one set of > > > winches in the cockpit for jib and spinnaker. > > > > > > I have a mark 3 with the aluminum toe rails. I want to use them for > > > the turning blocks, at least initially til I determine the best setup > > > and have time for installing foot blocks or ??? > > > > > > Any suggestions, and pictures are best, for the turning blocks. > > > > > > I will most likely run dual sheets and guys. > > > > > > Trying to get ready for the GVR! > > > > > > > > > >