Cal 2-27 survey

Hi all- I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? Thanks in advance. Dan Von Seggern

Hello All, We did the Miami to Key Largo race on April 20th. Here is a link about the race. http://yachtrace.net/MIAKL2013.html Michael Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: d.vonseggern <d.… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 survey Hi all- I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? Thanks in advance. Dan Von Seggern

Congrats! To all the magicians (great tag-line for your crew) John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 4:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race Hello All, We did the Miami to Key Largo race on April 20th. Here is a link about the race. http://yachtrace.net/MIAKL2013.html Michael Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL _____ From: d.vonseggern <d.… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 survey Hi all- I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? Thanks in advance. Dan Von Seggern

Great job!! Only boat to finish in your class says a lot! Guess you guys really pulled a rabbit out of the hat ;-) Paul From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 4:16 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race Hello All, We did the Miami to Key Largo race on April 20th. Here is a link about the race. http://yachtrace.net/MIAKL2013.html Michael Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: d.vonseggern <d.… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 survey Hi all- I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? Thanks in advance. Dan Von Seggern

I just uploaded a video from our finish. Elapsed time 9:01:19. Shot using a GoPro; edited using OpenShot... http://youtu.be/3_QjQcDPSbc From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race Great job!! Only boat to finish in your class says a lot! Guess you guys really pulled a rabbit out of the hat ;-) Paul From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 4:16 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race Hello All, We did the Miami to Key Largo race on April 20th. Here is a link about the race. http://yachtrace.net/MIAKL2013.html Michael Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: d.vonseggern <d.… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-27 survey Hi all- I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? Thanks in advance. Dan Von Seggern

On 5/7/2013 8:19 AM, Michael D wrote: > > > I just uploaded a video from our finish. Elapsed time 9:01:19. Shot > using a GoPro; edited using OpenShot... Your video made me laugh. All those shorts and short-sleeved shirts.... My Cal 20 is still on her trailer and last week I had to stop polishing the topsides when my fingers got so cold there were aching and I was shivering. I took a day off to teach on the schoolship yesterday. The program charters a big tourist schooner here for school groups before the tourons arrive in serious numbers. We were sailing in winds of maybe 10 knots by late afternoon. I had on five layers on top, two on bottom, and I was still cold. The surface water temp is still 40° F., so even when it's warm ashore, it's still cold out on the water (50s yesterday). This was my second time out; first was last week but my teaching station was below deck then and out of the wind, so my garb (5 layers top, three bottom) was sufficient. It's a steel hull, so being below water line in 40° water keeps things cool but the wind protection helped. Yesterday some of the kids were wearing t-shirts and some had shorts (usually forbidden; some teacher didn't read the rules). They were 7th graders so admitting that they were cold was not within the realm of possibility. We offered foul-weather tops to serve as wind breakers but they preferred to shake and shiver and turn blue. How cool is that.... Chris Campbell

Chris, It's not always like that here, but shorts & t-shirts are the norm. Right now the water is in the mid 70's. About the only time I have to layer clothing is on the Fort Lauderdale to Key West Race. It's in January, typically 50 or so degrees, blowing 20+ kts, and rather wet from the spray. Our best time on that 160 nm race us just under 24 hours, and when you are in the "rail meat" crew position all night long one can get pretty cold. The Musto foul weather gear I have was well worth the money. Michael From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race On 5/7/2013 8:19 AM, Michael D wrote: I just uploaded a video from our finish. Elapsed time 9:01:19. Shot using a GoPro; edited using OpenShot... > Your video made me laugh. All those shorts and short-sleeved shirts.... My Cal 20 is still on her trailer and last week I had to stop polishing the topsides when my fingers got so cold there were aching and I was shivering. I took a day off to teach on the schoolship yesterday. The program charters a big tourist schooner here for school groups before the tourons arrive in serious numbers. We were sailing in winds of maybe 10 knots by late afternoon. I had on five layers on top, two on bottom, and I was still cold. The surface water temp is still 40° F., so even when it's warm ashore, it's still cold out on the water (50s yesterday). This was my second time out; first was last week but my teaching station was below deck then and out of the wind, so my garb (5 layers top, three bottom) was sufficient. It's a steel hull, so being below water line in 40° water keeps things cool but the wind protection helped. Yesterday some of the kids were wearing t-shirts and some had shorts (usually forbidden; some teacher didn't read the rules). They were 7th graders so admitting that they were cold was not within the realm of possibility. We offered foul-weather tops to serve as wind breakers but they preferred to shake and shiver and turn blue. How cool is that.... Chris Campbell

Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill and disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. The other Chris .....H On May 8, 2013 2:43 PM, "Michael D" <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > > It's not always like that here, but shorts & t-shirts are the norm. Right > now the water is in the mid 70's. > > About the only time I have to layer clothing is on the Fort Lauderdale to > Key West Race. It's in January, typically 50 or so degrees, blowing 20+ > kts, and rather wet from the spray. Our best time on that 160 nm race us > just under 24 hours, and when you are in the "rail meat" crew position all > night long one can get pretty cold. The Musto foul weather gear I have was > well worth the money. > > Michael > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race > > > On 5/7/2013 8:19 AM, Michael D wrote: > > I just uploaded a video from our finish. Elapsed time 9:01:19. Shot > using a GoPro; edited using OpenShot... > > > Your video made me laugh. All those shorts and short-sleeved shirts.... > My Cal 20 is still on her trailer and last week I had to stop polishing the > topsides when my fingers got so cold there were aching and I was > shivering. I took a day off to teach on the schoolship yesterday. The > program charters a big tourist schooner here for school groups before the > tourons arrive in serious numbers. We were sailing in winds of maybe 10 > knots by late afternoon. I had on five layers on top, two on bottom, and I > was still cold. The surface water temp is still 40° F., so even when it's > warm ashore, it's still cold out on the water (50s yesterday). This was my > second time out; first was last week but my teaching station was below deck > then and out of the wind, so my garb (5 layers top, three bottom) was > sufficient. It's a steel hull, so being below water line in 40° water > keeps things cool but the wind protection helped. > > Yesterday some of the kids were wearing t-shirts and some had shorts > (usually forbidden; some teacher didn't read the rules). They were 7th > graders so admitting that they were cold was not within the realm of > possibility. We offered foul-weather tops to serve as wind breakers but > they preferred to shake and shiver and turn blue. How cool is that.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >

The other Chris, My original foulies were also coastal. When I bought them, I assumed that they would be just fine for the conditions here in south Florida. That was a bad idea. I looked at a lot of makes/models before I finally put money on the table. I decided to go with Musto MPX. They are very well made and not cheap, but I guess you get what you pay for. I got them through http://www.linehonors.com/ out of Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. Being a bit more economical, you may consider getting some rain gear designed for motorcycle riders although they may not be as abraisive resistent. Michael From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: CAL <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race (Chris) Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill and disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. The other Chris .....H On May 8, 2013 2:43 PM, "Michael D" <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >Chris, > > >It's not always like that here, but shorts & t-shirts are the norm. Right now the water is in the mid 70's. > > > >About the only time I have to layer clothing is on the Fort Lauderdale to Key West Race. It's in January, typically 50 or so degrees, blowing 20+ kts, and rather wet from the spray. Our best time on that 160 nm race us just under 24 hours, and when you are in the "rail meat" crew position all night long one can get pretty cold. The Musto foul weather gear I have was well worth the money. > > > >Michael > > > >________________________________ > From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:42 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race > > > > >On 5/7/2013 8:19 AM, Michael D wrote: > >I just uploaded a video from our finish. Elapsed time 9:01:19. Shot using a GoPro; edited using OpenShot... >> >Your video made me laugh. All those shorts and short-sleeved shirts.... My Cal 20 is still on her trailer and last week I had to stop polishing the topsides when my fingers got so cold there were aching and I was shivering. I took a day off to teach on the schoolship yesterday. The program charters a big tourist schooner here for school groups before the tourons arrive in serious numbers. We were sailing in winds of maybe 10 knots by late afternoon. I had on five layers on top, two on bottom, and I was still cold. The surface water temp is still 40° F., so even when it's warm ashore, it's still cold out on the water (50s yesterday). This was my second time out; first was last week but my teaching station was below deck then and out of the wind, so my garb (5 layers top, three bottom) was sufficient. It's a steel hull, so being below water line in 40° water keeps things cool but the wind protection helped. > >Yesterday some of the kids were wearing t-shirts and some had shorts (usually forbidden; some teacher didn't read the rules). They were 7th graders so admitting that they were cold was not within the realm of possibility. We offered foul-weather tops to serve as wind breakers but they preferred to shake and shiver and turn blue. How cool is that.... > >Chris Campbell > > > > > >

Dry fowlies work better than wet ones but mine are always wet too. I had 4 layers on last evening's race. We saw 40 knots so it was wet. I was completely comfortable because the outer shell kept the wind off the wet but warm inner layers. In my short beer can races, I have given up on real fowlies and use $50 Costco nylon pants and wind breaker. Then I change after the race. On a longer race, I would want something better. Allen On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill and > disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. > > The other Chris .....H > >

Allen, That might explain how we got a sudden burst of 30+++knots of wind during our last race last nite, your non regulation "fowlie" wind breaker didn't brake the winds!!... and we got a good blast of them down here as we approached our windward mark, the 2ES El Segundo Buoy in front of the local refineries oil tanker off shore depot. I had to pull down my ancient main sail part way, to avoid it tearing apart or capsizing; as it was I lost a couple of Battans on the march back to Corregedor, er..uh, I mean,..Marina del Rey. One was coming out of the front of the sail pocket and I was hoping it would stay put but alas, when we docked the boat it was gone...darn it! Unfortunately I waited till I got two big wave size splashes across my chest and my shirt was sopping wet before I put on my foulie jacket, the first time I've had to really put it to good use. 40 knots? At least you don't have the Pacific Ocean fetch to let the wave build to breaker size, but, that's the whole point of being down hear off Santa Monica, to get to ride the waves up and down and up and down and up and down and...woooweee! The boat really earned her name of SSsspprrritttz last nite...bit time. Jerry Shpritz, Yea olde Cal 24 the original 'California 24' From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race (Chris) Dry fowlies work better than wet ones but mine are always wet too. I had 4 layers on last evening's race. We saw 40 knots so it was wet. I was completely comfortable because the outer shell kept the wind off the wet but warm inner layers. In my short beer can races, I have given up on real fowlies and use $50 Costco nylon pants and wind breaker. Then I change after the race. On a longer race, I would want something better. Allen On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill and disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. >The other Chris .....H > >

You can put your foulies on over wet cloths or over dry closes, but you will put them on. It is just a matter of when. By the way, we won by over 4 minutes. We were second boat to cross the finish with a Catalina 400 and a T-10 behind us. We were just a couple of minutes behind the C&C-41, which owes us a bunch of time having a handicap 72. We got our own official certificate this year with a handicap of 153 - 3 seconds better than the one we were borrowing last few years because of our shorter E. Allen On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Allen, > That might explain how we got a sudden burst of 30+++knots of wind during > our last race last nite, your non regulation "fowlie" wind breaker didn't > brake the winds!!... and we got a good blast of them down here as we > approached our windward mark, the 2ES El Segundo Buoy in front of the local > refineries oil tanker off shore depot. I had to pull down my ancient main > sail part way, to avoid it tearing apart or capsizing; as it was I lost a > couple of Battans on the march back to Corregedor, er..uh, I mean,..Marina > del Rey. One was coming out of the front of the sail pocket and I was > hoping it would stay put but alas, when we docked the boat it was > gone...darn it! > > Unfortunately I waited till I got two big wave size splashes across my > chest and my shirt was sopping wet before I put on my foulie jacket, the > first time I've had to really put it to good use. 40 knots? > > At least you don't have the Pacific Ocean fetch to let the wave build to > breaker size, but, that's the whole point of being down hear off Santa > Monica, to get to ride the waves up and down and up and down and up and > down and...woooweee! The boat really earned her name of SSsspprrritttz last > nite...bit time. > Jerry > Shpritz, Yea olde Cal 24 the original 'California 24' > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race (Chris) > > > Dry fowlies work better than wet ones but mine are always wet too. I had > 4 layers on last evening's race. We saw 40 knots so it was wet. I was > completely comfortable because the outer shell kept the wind off the wet > but warm inner layers. In my short beer can races, I have given up on real > fowlies and use $50 Costco nylon pants and wind breaker. Then I change > after the race. On a longer race, I would want something better. > > Allen > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > ** > > Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill > and disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. > The other Chris .....H > > > > >

Thanks.....how does it compare with the Gill OS1. I'm surprised how lightweight and flimsy the thing is. Yet to test it.....it was a freebe so can't really complain. The other Chris,.........H On May 15, 2013 8:10 AM, "Michael D" <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > The other Chris, > > My original foulies were also coastal. When I bought them, I assumed that > they would be just fine for the conditions here in south Florida. That was > a bad idea. I looked at a lot of makes/models before I finally put money > on the table. I decided to go with Musto MPX. They are very well made and > not cheap, but I guess you get what you pay for. I got them through > http://www.linehonors.com/ out of Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. > > Being a bit more economical, you may consider getting some rain gear > designed for motorcycle riders although they may not be as abraisive > resistent. > > Michael > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* CAL <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race (Chris) > > > Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill and > disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. > The other Chris .....H > On May 8, 2013 2:43 PM, "Michael D" <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Chris, > > It's not always like that here, but shorts & t-shirts are the norm. Right > now the water is in the mid 70's. > > About the only time I have to layer clothing is on the Fort Lauderdale to > Key West Race. It's in January, typically 50 or so degrees, blowing 20+ > kts, and rather wet from the spray. Our best time on that 160 nm race us > just under 24 hours, and when you are in the "rail meat" crew position all > night long one can get pretty cold. The Musto foul weather gear I have was > well worth the money. > > Michael > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] s/v Magic, Miami to Key Largo Race > > > On 5/7/2013 8:19 AM, Michael D wrote: > > I just uploaded a video from our finish. Elapsed time 9:01:19. Shot > using a GoPro; edited using OpenShot... > > > Your video made me laugh. All those shorts and short-sleeved shirts.... > My Cal 20 is still on her trailer and last week I had to stop polishing the > topsides when my fingers got so cold there were aching and I was > shivering. I took a day off to teach on the schoolship yesterday. The > program charters a big tourist schooner here for school groups before the > tourons arrive in serious numbers. We were sailing in winds of maybe 10 > knots by late afternoon. I had on five layers on top, two on bottom, and I > was still cold. The surface water temp is still 40° F., so even when it's > warm ashore, it's still cold out on the water (50s yesterday). This was my > second time out; first was last week but my teaching station was below deck > then and out of the wind, so my garb (5 layers top, three bottom) was > sufficient. It's a steel hull, so being below water line in 40° water > keeps things cool but the wind protection helped. > > Yesterday some of the kids were wearing t-shirts and some had shorts > (usually forbidden; some teacher didn't read the rules). They were 7th > graders so admitting that they were cold was not within the realm of > possibility. We offered foul-weather tops to serve as wind breakers but > they preferred to shake and shiver and turn blue. How cool is that.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > >

Well still planning a run to the Azores eventually. Putting the kit together at this point. Several options on fowlies....grudgeons are not bad at all when the shit really hits the fan. Just hot. On May 15, 2013 11:07 AM, "Allen Edwards" <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dry fowlies work better than wet ones but mine are always wet too. I had > 4 layers on last evening's race. We saw 40 knots so it was wet. I was > completely comfortable because the outer shell kept the wind off the wet > but warm inner layers. In my short beer can races, I have given up on real > fowlies and use $50 Costco nylon pants and wind breaker. Then I change > after the race. On a longer race, I would want something better. > > Allen > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Michael....wet fowlies what's the best. I have a coastal set from Gill >> and disappointed. Luckily I got it for peanuts. >> >> The other Chris .....H >> >> > >

1. Check beam tabs 2. Deck compression under the mast support. 3. Keel wobble and hair line cracks around the keel hull interface. 4. Engine and general electrical setup. On Apr 28, 2013 11:54 AM, "d.vonseggern" <d.… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi all- > > I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on > specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? > From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel > beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dan Von Seggern > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

I have a 2-29, I have a keel that wobbles a fair amount and the hair line cracks where the keel and hull join. Probably somewhere in my 5 year plan to fix Also watch out for soft spots in the deck On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > 1. Check beam tabs > 2. Deck compression under the mast support. > 3. Keel wobble and hair line cracks around the keel hull interface. > 4. Engine and general electrical setup. > On Apr 28, 2013 11:54 AM, "d.vonseggern" <d.… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hi all- >> >> I am about to have a 1974 2-27 surveyed. Does anyone have thoughts on >> specific things that should get particular attention on this model of boat? >> From some earlier on this forum I believe that there is no "dreaded steel >> beam" under the mast step. Anyone disagree? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Dan Von Seggern >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >