Back Stay tension on a 2-29

For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. Would like to know what to do and what not to do. thanks, Jim East coast Cal 29 sailor.

Keep increasing it until the mast breaks then back off a little. :-) Seriously, the more the better up to the limits of the wire and mast. I think there is a rule of thumb of 18% of breaking strength of the wire but I know serious racers go above that. Some people talk about 25% of breaking strength. Above 50% of breaking strength the wire is permanently deformed so don't go there. I had a terrible time with my fancy Loos gauge and blogged all my trials and tribulations. My advice is buy the cheaper Loos gauge. That is what most people use. http://l-36.com/loosaccuracy.php Allen On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:30 PM, cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically put > on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is too > much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. > Would like to know what to do and what not to do. > > thanks, > Jim > East coast Cal 29 sailor. > > >

My feeling is the boat will give way long before the rig or the mast. Cal 25's had issues w cracking with excessive backstay. Looking at the way the 29 was built, seems like a high stress point would be right at the back of the dog house. That is where the longitudinal supports meet the tray in the cabin. Seems like a good place for the boat to bend. I was thinking in the 600 to 1k lbs range myself, but it's just a guess. That seems pretty loose to me, but it's an old boat. Jim On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > Keep increasing it until the mast breaks then back off a little. :-) > > Seriously, the more the better up to the limits of the wire and mast. I > think there is a rule of thumb of 18% of breaking strength of the wire but > I know serious racers go above that. Some people talk about 25% of > breaking strength. Above 50% of breaking strength the wire is permanently > deformed so don't go there. > > I had a terrible time with my fancy Loos gauge and blogged all my trials > and tribulations. My advice is buy the cheaper Loos gauge. That is what > most people use. > http://l-36.com/loosaccuracy.php > > > Allen > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:30 PM, cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically >> put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is >> too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. >> Would like to know what to do and what not to do. >> >> thanks, >> Jim >> East coast Cal 29 sailor. >> >> > >

I run 800 pounds on my L-36. My main competitor on his L-36 runs something over 2,000 pounds on the backstay. He has an aluminum rig and that level of tension does bend the boat, which is wood of course. Generally you measure forestay tension as that is what matters. To some extent, the sails can be cut for the tension you have. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Jim Englert <sa… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > My feeling is the boat will give way long before the rig or the mast. Cal > 25's had issues w cracking with excessive backstay. > Looking at the way the 29 was built, seems like a high stress point would > be right at the back of the dog house. > That is where the longitudinal supports meet the tray in the cabin. Seems > like a good place for the boat to bend. > > I was thinking in the 600 to 1k lbs range myself, but it's just a guess. > That seems pretty loose to me, but it's an old boat. > > Jim > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com > > wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Keep increasing it until the mast breaks then back off a little. :-) >> >> Seriously, the more the better up to the limits of the wire and mast. I >> think there is a rule of thumb of 18% of breaking strength of the wire but >> I know serious racers go above that. Some people talk about 25% of >> breaking strength. Above 50% of breaking strength the wire is permanently >> deformed so don't go there. >> >> I had a terrible time with my fancy Loos gauge and blogged all my trials >> and tribulations. My advice is buy the cheaper Loos gauge. That is what >> most people use. >> http://l-36.com/loosaccuracy.php >> >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:30 PM, cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically >>> put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is >>> too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. >>> Would like to know what to do and what not to do. >>> >>> thanks, >>> Jim >>> East coast Cal 29 sailor. >>> >>> >> > >

Jim, I added a cascading backstay to Out Patient a couple of years ago. Before that I had nothing, I pretty much tuned the rig before the races. Loose forestay and lowers for light air and stighter forestay and lowers for the heavy stuff... When I added the backstay, it took me awhile to get use to it. I raked the mast back and added some prebend, well at least as much as I could get when bending our telephone pole masts. I still had a problem with flattening the mainsail. It still had a lot of bag. It took a lot of adjustments to get the right amount of forestay sag and prebend. I snapped a forward lower in a race with 15 knots of wind. So back o the note pad to find out what worked and what didn't. The boat was not designed to be bar tight. I think with all the adjustments I do, I pretty much maintain what I set at the dock. The forestay likes about 6-10 inch sag. I try to keep it there. I have set prebend in the mast. But more important to keep the mast in column. The top will pull back some under sail, but with the wide lowers, you have to watch wich way it bends. I have the lowers almost to max at the dock and the backstay fully pulled down. But under sail it seems, the hull starts to flex. Then I have to see which way the mast is bending, if it mast bends aft, it adds more power to the main. You're not able to point and she heals more. Very frustrating. I am hoping to learn more from your post and other CAL 29s also. There use to be a large fleet in San Fransico I use to ask all the time. But it dried up and is a Catalina 30 fleet now. all the Cal 29s in Ventura and Channel Islands are cruisers. This weekend I am going south and racing against another CAL 29 in Long Beach. I guess this will tell what I have done, if I like it or not. Good Luck. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. Would like to know what to do and what not to do. thanks, Jim East coast Cal 29 sailor.

Thanks for the reply. My 29 has one set of lowers in line w the shrouds, so I will not get the prebend when I put the back stay on(wish I could). The trade off with having one set of lowers is I loose some mast bed control, but I get a cleaner deck, a little easier tacking and my main can go further out without being obstructed by the aft lowers. I may set up a string at the dock and see how much the boat bends with rig tension. Jim On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Jim, > > I added a cascading backstay to Out Patient a couple of years ago. Before > that I had nothing, I pretty much tuned the rig before the races. Loose > forestay and lowers for light air and stighter forestay and lowers for the > heavy stuff... > > When I added the backstay, it took me awhile to get use to it. I raked the > mast back and added some prebend, well at least as much as I could get when > bending our telephone pole masts. I still had a problem with flattening the > mainsail. It still had a lot of bag. It took a lot of adjustments to get > the right amount of forestay sag and prebend. I snapped a forward lower in > a race with 15 knots of wind. So back o the note pad to find out what > worked and what didn't. > > The boat was not designed to be bar tight. > > I think with all the adjustments I do, I pretty much maintain what I set > at the dock. The forestay likes about 6-10 inch sag. I try to keep it > there. I have set prebend in the mast. But more important to keep the > mast in column. The top will pull back some under sail, but with the wide > lowers, you have to watch wich way it bends. I have the lowers almost > to max at the dock and the backstay fully pulled down. But under sail it > seems, the hull starts to flex. Then I have to see which way the mast is > bending, if it mast bends aft, it adds more power to the main. You're not > able to point and she heals more. Very frustrating. > > I am hoping to learn more from your post and other CAL 29s also. There use > to be a large fleet in San Fransico I use to ask all the time. But it dried > up and is a Catalina 30 fleet now. all the Cal 29s in Ventura and Channel > Islands are cruisers. > > This weekend I am going south and racing against another CAL 29 in Long > Beach. I guess this will tell what I have done, if I like it or not. > > Good Luck. > > Randy > CAL 2-29 > Out Patient > Channel Islands Ca > > > > > *From:* cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 > ** > > For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically put > on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is too > much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. > Would like to know what to do and what not to do. > > thanks, > Jim > East coast Cal 29 sailor. > > **** > > >

What works for the 29 will also apply to the 2-29. Adjustable backstay and constant use of a a functional traveler do not oversheet main will help your racing ability. Lets not minimize the use of Cunningham, boomvang, outhaul, halyard tension and placement of fairleads/blocks and the ability to reef for an upwind leg and shake the reef for the downwind. I would also suggest using a med.-heavy155 up to 20-24 knots if you have a crew of 4 or more. Randy, Long Beach tends to be a little lighter breeze than San Pedro, but it too can get blowing outside the breakwater with a Westerly and with slop and chop. If you have the opportunity to stay inside the breakwall going west bound and outside going east....but if breezes are not from the West all bets are off :) Cal 2-29 Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Alcorn To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 Jim, I added a cascading backstay to Out Patient a couple of years ago. Before that I had nothing, I pretty much tuned the rig before the races. Loose forestay and lowers for light air and stighter forestay and lowers for the heavy stuff... When I added the backstay, it took me awhile to get use to it. I raked the mast back and added some prebend, well at least as much as I could get when bending our telephone pole masts. I still had a problem with flattening the mainsail. It still had a lot of bag. It took a lot of adjustments to get the right amount of forestay sag and prebend. I snapped a forward lower in a race with 15 knots of wind. So back o the note pad to find out what worked and what didn't. The boat was not designed to be bar tight. I think with all the adjustments I do, I pretty much maintain what I set at the dock. The forestay likes about 6-10 inch sag. I try to keep it there. I have set prebend in the mast. But more important to keep the mast in column. The top will pull back some under sail, but with the wide lowers, you have to watch wich way it bends. I have the lowers almost to max at the dock and the backstay fully pulled down. But under sail it seems, the hull starts to flex. Then I have to see which way the mast is bending, if it mast bends aft, it adds more power to the main. You're not able to point and she heals more. Very frustrating. I am hoping to learn more from your post and other CAL 29s also. There use to be a large fleet in San Fransico I use to ask all the time. But it dried up and is a Catalina 30 fleet now. all the Cal 29s in Ventura and Channel Islands are cruisers. This weekend I am going south and racing against another CAL 29 in Long Beach. I guess this will tell what I have done, if I like it or not. Good Luck. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. Would like to know what to do and what not to do. thanks, Jim East coast Cal 29 sailor. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I am with you on the basics, traveler, vang.... In my area I will not have a cal 29 to go up against so I figure the J/24 is the next best bench mark, especially since I have an outboard, I think my rating will be very close. How do you guys fair against the j/24 in pointing and speed(upwind and downwind)? thanks for all the responses, I appreciate them. Jim On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) < ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > ** > > > ** > What works for the 29 will also apply to the 2-29. Adjustable backstay and > constant use of a a functional traveler do not oversheet main will help > your racing ability. Lets not minimize the use of Cunningham, boomvang, > outhaul, halyard tension and placement of fairleads/blocks and the ability > to reef for an upwind leg and shake the reef for the downwind. I would also > suggest using a med.-heavy155 up to 20-24 knots if you have a crew of 4 or > more. > > Randy, Long Beach tends to be a little lighter breeze than San Pedro, but > it too can get blowing outside the breakwater with a Westerly and with slop > and chop. If you have the opportunity to stay inside the breakwall going > west bound and outside going east....but if breezes are not from the West > all bets are off :) > > Cal 2-29 > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby > notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 > > > > Jim, > > I added a cascading backstay to Out Patient a couple of years ago. Before > that I had nothing, I pretty much tuned the rig before the races. Loose > forestay and lowers for light air and stighter forestay and lowers for the > heavy stuff... > > When I added the backstay, it took me awhile to get use to it. I raked the > mast back and added some prebend, well at least as much as I could get when > bending our telephone pole masts. I still had a problem with flattening the > mainsail. It still had a lot of bag. It took a lot of adjustments to get > the right amount of forestay sag and prebend. I snapped a forward lower in > a race with 15 knots of wind. So back o the note pad to find out what > worked and what didn't. > > The boat was not designed to be bar tight. > > I think with all the adjustments I do, I pretty much maintain what I set > at the dock. The forestay likes about 6-10 inch sag. I try to keep it > there. I have set prebend in the mast. But more important to keep the > mast in column. The top will pull back some under sail, but with the wide > lowers, you have to watch wich way it bends. I have the lowers almost > to max at the dock and the backstay fully pulled down. But under sail it > seems, the hull starts to flex. Then I have to see which way the mast is > bending, if it mast bends aft, it adds more power to the main. You're not > able to point and she heals more. Very frustrating. > > I am hoping to learn more from your post and other CAL 29s also. There use > to be a large fleet in San Fransico I use to ask all the time. But it dried > up and is a Catalina 30 fleet now. all the Cal 29s in Ventura and Channel > Islands are cruisers. > > This weekend I am going south and racing against another CAL 29 in Long > Beach. I guess this will tell what I have done, if I like it or not. > > Good Luck. > > Randy > CAL 2-29 > Out Patient > Channel Islands Ca > > > > > *From:* cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 > ** > > For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically > put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is > too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. > Would like to know what to do and what not to do. > > thanks, > Jim > East coast Cal 29 sailor. > > **** > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Jim, how do you like using an outboard on a 29? Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Englert To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 I am with you on the basics, traveler, vang.... In my area I will not have a cal 29 to go up against so I figure the J/24 is the next best bench mark, especially since I have an outboard, I think my rating will be very close. How do you guys fair against the j/24 in pointing and speed(upwind and downwind)? thanks for all the responses, I appreciate them. Jim On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: What works for the 29 will also apply to the 2-29. Adjustable backstay and constant use of a a functional traveler do not oversheet main will help your racing ability. Lets not minimize the use of Cunningham, boomvang, outhaul, halyard tension and placement of fairleads/blocks and the ability to reef for an upwind leg and shake the reef for the downwind. I would also suggest using a med.-heavy155 up to 20-24 knots if you have a crew of 4 or more. Randy, Long Beach tends to be a little lighter breeze than San Pedro, but it too can get blowing outside the breakwater with a Westerly and with slop and chop. If you have the opportunity to stay inside the breakwall going west bound and outside going east....but if breezes are not from the West all bets are off :) Cal 2-29 Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Alcorn To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 Jim, I added a cascading backstay to Out Patient a couple of years ago. Before that I had nothing, I pretty much tuned the rig before the races. Loose forestay and lowers for light air and stighter forestay and lowers for the heavy stuff... When I added the backstay, it took me awhile to get use to it. I raked the mast back and added some prebend, well at least as much as I could get when bending our telephone pole masts. I still had a problem with flattening the mainsail. It still had a lot of bag. It took a lot of adjustments to get the right amount of forestay sag and prebend. I snapped a forward lower in a race with 15 knots of wind. So back o the note pad to find out what worked and what didn't. The boat was not designed to be bar tight. I think with all the adjustments I do, I pretty much maintain what I set at the dock. The forestay likes about 6-10 inch sag. I try to keep it there. I have set prebend in the mast. But more important to keep the mast in column. The top will pull back some under sail, but with the wide lowers, you have to watch wich way it bends. I have the lowers almost to max at the dock and the backstay fully pulled down. But under sail it seems, the hull starts to flex. Then I have to see which way the mast is bending, if it mast bends aft, it adds more power to the main. You're not able to point and she heals more. Very frustrating. I am hoping to learn more from your post and other CAL 29s also. There use to be a large fleet in San Fransico I use to ask all the time. But it dried up and is a Catalina 30 fleet now. all the Cal 29s in Ventura and Channel Islands are cruisers. This weekend I am going south and racing against another CAL 29 in Long Beach. I guess this will tell what I have done, if I like it or not. Good Luck. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca From: cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. Would like to know what to do and what not to do. thanks, Jim East coast Cal 29 sailor. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Love the outboard. The key is not using an off the transom bracket, but cutting the transom and hanging the engine right off the back. The job is not to be taken lightly. I cut the transom, then I cut the dain area out where the water drains out of the cockpit. I put new plywood across the back of the transom and then tabbed the tray back in. The engine is close. On the yamaha the controls are on the tiller arm(shift and throttle) so your controls are right there. I don't know what the wind limit is for the engine's ability to push the boat in a sea way, but for what I do it is great. Off to do some boat work. Cheers Jim On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) < ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > ** > > > ** > Jim, how do you like using an outboard on a 29? > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby > notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jim Englert <sa… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 > > > > > I am with you on the basics, traveler, vang.... In my area I will not > have a cal 29 to go up against so I figure the J/24 is the next best bench > mark, especially since I have an outboard, I think my rating will be very > close. How do you guys fair against the j/24 in pointing and speed(upwind > and downwind)? > > thanks for all the responses, > I appreciate them. > Jim > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) < > ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> ** >> What works for the 29 will also apply to the 2-29. Adjustable backstay >> and constant use of a a functional traveler do not oversheet main will help >> your racing ability. Lets not minimize the use of Cunningham, boomvang, >> outhaul, halyard tension and placement of fairleads/blocks and the ability >> to reef for an upwind leg and shake the reef for the downwind. I would also >> suggest using a med.-heavy155 up to 20-24 knots if you have a crew of 4 or >> more. >> >> Randy, Long Beach tends to be a little lighter breeze than San Pedro, but >> it too can get blowing outside the breakwater with a Westerly and with slop >> and chop. If you have the opportunity to stay inside the breakwall going >> west bound and outside going east....but if breezes are not from the West >> all bets are off :) >> >> Cal 2-29 >> >> Mark A. Stahnke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992 >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby >> notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:23 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 >> >> >> >> Jim, >> >> I added a cascading backstay to Out Patient a couple of years ago. Before >> that I had nothing, I pretty much tuned the rig before the races. Loose >> forestay and lowers for light air and stighter forestay and lowers for the >> heavy stuff... >> >> When I added the backstay, it took me awhile to get use to it. I raked >> the mast back and added some prebend, well at least as much as I could >> get when bending our telephone pole masts. I still had a problem with >> flattening the mainsail. It still had a lot of bag. It took a lot of >> adjustments to get the right amount of forestay sag and prebend. I snapped >> a forward lower in a race with 15 knots of wind. So back o the note pad to >> find out what worked and what didn't. >> >> The boat was not designed to be bar tight. >> >> I think with all the adjustments I do, I pretty much maintain what I set >> at the dock. The forestay likes about 6-10 inch sag. I try to keep it >> there. I have set prebend in the mast. But more important to keep the >> mast in column. The top will pull back some under sail, but with the wide >> lowers, you have to watch wich way it bends. I have the lowers almost >> to max at the dock and the backstay fully pulled down. But under sail it >> seems, the hull starts to flex. Then I have to see which way the mast is >> bending, if it mast bends aft, it adds more power to the main. You're not >> able to point and she heals more. Very frustrating. >> >> I am hoping to learn more from your post and other CAL 29s also. There >> use to be a large fleet in San Fransico I use to ask all the time. But it >> dried up and is a Catalina 30 fleet now. all the Cal 29s in Ventura and >> Channel Islands are cruisers. >> >> This weekend I am going south and racing against another CAL 29 in Long >> Beach. I guess this will tell what I have done, if I like it or not. >> >> Good Luck. >> >> Randy >> CAL 2-29 >> Out Patient >> Channel Islands Ca >> >> >> >> >> *From:* cal29_628 <sa… [at] gmail.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Back Stay tension on a 2-29 >> ** >> >> For those of you that race 2-29's, how much back stay do you typically >> put on in a blow? Are there any indications the boat gives that there is >> too much back stay on? I am going to be putting an adjustable backstay in. >> Would like to know what to do and what not to do. >> >> thanks, >> Jim >> East coast Cal 29 sailor. >> >> **** >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 8494 (20130626) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > >