RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole

Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? Best of Luck Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Charlie & Terry, Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? Best of Luck Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Charlie & Terry, Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? Best of Luck Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Fellow sailors, I don't really get it. The only instruments I use are my shroud tel tales which are sections of VHS tapes tied with a knot so they swivel (ok, at least when I tie them) giving rough trim and some colored ribbons along my luff and VHS tapes and ribbons on my mains'l leech, giving fine trim, and things like forestay bend. The only fancier thing I use is the arrow thingy on top of the mast, which I think is still easier to interpret when you can see what it is doing relative to the mast, or the range in which it is oscillating if the wind dies and boat's flopping around in the waves. Oh yes, I do have another VHS tape on top of my VHF antennae that's clamped to the rear stanchion, useful for sailing down wind. I've sailed with competitors who are so glued to those expensive dials that they aren't watching where they are going, nor those indicators that are both instantaneous and right before their eyes showing the actual wind flow over the sails. There are also clues like the sound of the waves and water rushing passed the hull that can clue you in, even if you are otherwise distracted, or sailing in the dark, that you're stalling the wing (sail), and about to crash, burn and die..if you were flying that is. That being said, to coin a tired phrase, what about something that subtly throws your competitors instruments slightly off calibration so he or she is unawares? Now, that would be a bit more diabolical. Jerry From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. Cheers Charlie From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Charlie & Terry, Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 From:"Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? Best of Luck Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Well Jerry, I mostly agree with all that seat of the pants stuff. Many sailors need to get their head out of their instruments and look at the sails, the water, the other boats, etc. However I started this thread asking about depth instruments. In my world here in the Salish Sea, where there are many shoals, reefs, and flats, there is no "seat of the pants" way to figure out just how close that rock is. Short tacking a beach against a current (not an uncommon occurrence in this neck of the woods), it is vital to have an accurate depth instrument. So I guess the consensus so far is to modify that round hole to fit the square peg (instrument). That was not the answer I was hoping for. On the other hand I like the idea of a device that would jam those wireless instruments. Until everyone has them, though, I will stick with the tried and true method of slingshotting a spreader bolt into the competitor's mainsail, so that it drops at the skipper's feet. This is usually sufficiently distracting. Also, Jerry, my wind indicating cassette tape is from Saturday Night Fever. What are you using? Terry On Jul 5, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > Fellow sailors, > I don't really get it. The only instruments I use are my shroud tel tales which are sections of VHS tapes tied with a knot so they swivel (ok, at least when I tie them) giving rough trim and some colored ribbons along my luff and VHS tapes and ribbons on my mains'l leech, giving fine trim, and things like forestay bend. The only fancier thing I use is the arrow thingy on top of the mast, which I think is still easier to interpret when you can see what it is doing relative to the mast, or the range in which it is oscillating if the wind dies and boat's flopping around in the waves. > Oh yes, I do have another VHS tape on top of my VHF antennae that's clamped to the rear stanchion, useful for sailing down wind. > > I've sailed with competitors who are so glued to those expensive dials that they aren't watching where they are going, nor those indicators that are both instantaneous and right before their eyes showing the actual wind flow over the sails. > > There are also clues like the sound of the waves and water rushing passed the hull that can clue you in, even if you are otherwise distracted, or sailing in the dark, that you're stalling the wing (sail), and about to crash, burn and die..if you were flying that is. > > > That being said, to coin a tired phrase, what about something that subtly throws your competitors instruments slightly off calibration so he or she is unawares? Now, that would be a bit more diabolical. > Jerry > > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > > > > Charlie & Terry, > Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. > David Dobbs CAL 29 411 > > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > > Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? > > Best of Luck > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. > > I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? > > Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. > > Terry Spencer > Cal 2-29 > Capriccio > Tacoma > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > <image001.jpg> >

Check out Moorelectronics.com they make old fashioned instruments. I have a depth/speed unit not sure how long it will last, it's 33 years old and still working. John B Cal 227 # 650 On Jul 5, 2013 9:52 PM, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional > jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their > instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… > there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Charlie**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *david dobbs > *Sent:* Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that > old round hole**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > Charlie & Terry, > Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, > and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing > holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go > through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers > that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless > wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable > up the mast. > David Dobbs CAL 29 411**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round > hole**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a > monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I > mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new > diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that > reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of > wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the > new shape cut in? > > Best of Luck > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Terry Spencer > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old > round hole > > Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose > it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round > hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 > (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). > Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly > overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one > anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. > > I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this > problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you > done to replace your depth sounder? > > Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. > > Terry Spencer > Cal 2-29 > Capriccio > Tacoma > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > **** > >

Wow, I just found something called a 'knot stick', some claim it is used to calibrate spinning wheel types, and it's about $50, or only 7-1/2 Papishkies (1955 dollars) or 500 S.&H. trading stamps (remember those?) I'd rather have a Brass Taff Rail Log, but I think you need a real Wind Jammer to look good with that. Gosh, you can get just about anything on the internet. I wonder if there's a Youtube video showing you how to make a real knot meter, with a stick/log, string with knots, digital watch not included. Jerry From: John b <je… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Check out Moorelectronics.com they make old fashioned instruments. I have a depth/speed unit not sure how long it will last, it's 33 years old and still working. John B Cal 227 # 650 On Jul 5, 2013 9:52 PM, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > >David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. > >Cheers >Charlie > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs >Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > > > > >Charlie & Terry, >Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. >David Dobbs CAL 29 411 > > > >________________________________ > >From:"Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > >Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? > >Best of Luck >Charlie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer >Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > >Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. > >I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? > >Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. > >Terry Spencer >Cal 2-29 >Capriccio >Tacoma > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Terry, Nice post. A depth meter is a great necessity, unless you've got crew at the bow with a lead-line. I used a crescent wrench tied to a knotted piece of small-stuff one weekend when my old Signet depth meter bit the dust. What a pain. My big knot log and depth sounder were very large and round. Fortunately Signet was (15 years ago) still in business and it appears they are still there. Might be a bit pricey, but probably a better option than filling and painting, or trying to match and feather gel-cost. I will paste a link. If it doesn't work, just Google Signet Marine in Redondo Beach. Good luck: http://www.signetmarine.com/PRODUCTS/Signet_Marine_Products.html Wilkie On Jul 5, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Terry Spencer <ts… [at] harbornet.com> wrote: > > > Well Jerry, I mostly agree with all that seat of the pants stuff. Many sailors need to get their head out of their instruments and look at the sails, the water, the other boats, etc. However I started this thread asking about depth instruments. In my world here in the Salish Sea, where there are many shoals, reefs, and flats, there is no "seat of the pants" way to figure out just how close that rock is. Short tacking a beach against a current (not an uncommon occurrence in this neck of the woods), it is vital to have an accurate depth instrument. > > So I guess the consensus so far is to modify that round hole to fit the square peg (instrument). That was not the answer I was hoping for. > > On the other hand I like the idea of a device that would jam those wireless instruments. Until everyone has them, though, I will stick with the tried and true method of slingshotting a spreader bolt into the competitor's mainsail, so that it drops at the skipper's feet. This is usually sufficiently distracting. > > Also, Jerry, my wind indicating cassette tape is from Saturday Night Fever. What are you using? > > Terry > > > On Jul 5, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > >> Fellow sailors, >> I don't really get it. The only instruments I use are my shroud tel tales which are sections of VHS tapes tied with a knot so they swivel (ok, at least when I tie them) giving rough trim and some colored ribbons along my luff and VHS tapes and ribbons on my mains'l leech, giving fine trim, and things like forestay bend. The only fancier thing I use is the arrow thingy on top of the mast, which I think is still easier to interpret when you can see what it is doing relative to the mast, or the range in which it is oscillating if the wind dies and boat's flopping around in the waves. >> Oh yes, I do have another VHS tape on top of my VHF antennae that's clamped to the rear stanchion, useful for sailing down wind. >> >> I've sailed with competitors who are so glued to those expensive dials that they aren't watching where they are going, nor those indicators that are both instantaneous and right before their eyes showing the actual wind flow over the sails. >> >> There are also clues like the sound of the waves and water rushing passed the hull that can clue you in, even if you are otherwise distracted, or sailing in the dark, that you're stalling the wing (sail), and about to crash, burn and die..if you were flying that is. >> >> >> That being said, to coin a tired phrase, what about something that subtly throws your competitors instruments slightly off calibration so he or she is unawares? Now, that would be a bit more diabolical. >> Jerry >> >> >> From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 6:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. >> >> Cheers >> Charlie >> >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs >> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> >> >> >> Charlie & Terry, >> Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. >> David Dobbs CAL 29 411 >> >> >> From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM >> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> >> Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? >> >> Best of Luck >> Charlie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer >> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. >> >> I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? >> >> Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. >> >> Terry Spencer >> Cal 2-29 >> Capriccio >> Tacoma >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> <image001.jpg> > > > >

i have an antique(maybe) knot meter that is a plastic tube with a 90 degree bend at the bottom. you hold that end in the water as you move, and the little ball in the tube rises to marks on the tube. then there was the knot meter i learned about from a Danish skipper..a cotton ball you throw onto the water at the bow and time its passing of the stern.But I really like my gps for time over ground. From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Basic sailing instruments Wow, I just found something called a 'knot stick', some claim it is used to calibrate spinning wheel types, and it's about $50, or only 7-1/2 Papishkies (1955 dollars) or 500 S.&H. trading stamps (remember those?) I'd rather have a Brass Taff Rail Log, but I think you need a real Wind Jammer to look good with that. Gosh, you can get just about anything on the internet. I wonder if there's a Youtube video showing you how to make a real knot meter, with a stick/log, string with knots, digital watch not included. Jerry From: John b <je… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole Check out Moorelectronics.com they make old fashioned instruments. I have a depth/speed unit not sure how long it will last, it's 33 years old and still working. John B Cal 227 # 650 On Jul 5, 2013 9:52 PM, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > >David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. > >Cheers >Charlie > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs >Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > > > > >Charlie & Terry, >Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. >David Dobbs CAL 29 411 > > > >________________________________ > >From:"Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > > >Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? > >Best of Luck >Charlie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer >Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole > >Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. > >I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? > >Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. > >Terry Spencer >Cal 2-29 >Capriccio >Tacoma > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

I would highly recommend the depth sounder from Moore. On my previous boat, a 1978 3-29, I dropped the Moore sounder into the same cutout that was occupied by the original Datamarine device and it worked flawlessly for 8 years until I sold the boat. The fit was perfect. Les Hester Formerly 3-29 #1005 Bay Breeze (last I heard derelict in a south Jersey boatyard 8-( Now 1972 Tartan 34C Sable Rock Hall, Md On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:27 PM, John b <je… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > Check out Moorelectronics.com they make old fashioned instruments. I have a depth/speed unit not sure how long it will last, it's 33 years old and still working. > John B > Cal 227 # 650 > On Jul 5, 2013 9:52 PM, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >> >> David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs >> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Charlie & Terry, >> Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but no cable up the mast. >> David Dobbs CAL 29 411 >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM >> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> >> >> >> >> Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the new shape cut in? >> >> Best of Luck >> Charlie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer >> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole >> >> Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. >> >> I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you done to replace your depth sounder? >> >> Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. >> >> Terry Spencer >> Cal 2-29 >> Capriccio >> Tacoma >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >

I have the Moore knotmeter. I got the digital one and it works fine. Only issue was I had to use the old nut as the threads were different on the through hull they supplied with the unit. That said, if the boat is out of the water, I would get a more modern unit with depth and log in the same hole. But as a wood boat owner, I have no idea how hard it is to change through hulls. Allen On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Les Hester <ld… [at] comcast.net> wrote: > ** > > > I would highly recommend the depth sounder from Moore. On my previous > boat, a 1978 3-29, I dropped the Moore sounder into the same cutout that > was occupied by the original Datamarine device and it worked flawlessly for > 8 years until I sold the boat. The fit was perfect. > > Les Hester > Formerly 3-29 #1005 > Bay Breeze (last I heard derelict in a south Jersey boatyard 8-( > Now 1972 Tartan 34C > Sable > Rock Hall, Md > > On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:27 PM, John b <je… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Check out Moorelectronics.com they make old fashioned instruments. I have > a depth/speed unit not sure how long it will last, it's 33 years old and > still working. > John B > Cal 227 # 650 > On Jul 5, 2013 9:52 PM, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" < > hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> David, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to make a directional >> jamming device that can be aimed at one’s competitor to render their >> instruments useless. Look for it soon on K-tel TV ads. But wait… >> there’s more. Might even provide two for one low price.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Cheers**** >> >> Charlie**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *david dobbs >> *Sent:* Friday, July 05, 2013 9:32 PM >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that >> old round hole**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> >> **** >> >> Charlie & Terry, >> Not only instruments, but even speakers. I needed to replace my old >> ones, and had a hard time finding ones that were big enough to fit the >> existing holes, only a 6 inch hole, but now most are less. Didn't want to >> go through the filling in the hole routine. Finally found some Pyle >> speakers that fit. Changed instruments too, bought a Nexus system with a >> wireless wind instrument. Yes! Wires begone! Speedo is still cabled, but >> no cable up the mast. >> David Dobbs CAL 29 411**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2013 8:01 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round >> hole**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> Terry, I commiserate with your commiseration. One of my CALs has a >> monstrous 6" diam hole for an old compass. Newer compass is 4" diam. I >> mounted a piece of wood over the old hole inside the bulkhead with the new >> diam cut into it. Works OK, but I don't like appearance. I know that >> reglassing the hole would be messy and would never match. Maybe a piece of >> wood or plastic on the outside covering the old hole (and caulked) with the >> new shape cut in? >> >> Best of Luck >> Charlie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Terry Spencer >> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:39 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old >> round hole >> >> Some years ago I purchased a Standard Horizon DS45 depth sounder. I chose >> it simply because it was the only one on the market that fit in the round >> hole left by the ancient depth instrument that was original on my Cal 2-29 >> (I think it was a Coastal Navigator, if my failing memory is correct). >> Recently it has started to give highly erroneous readings, grossly >> overestimating the depth. I cannot find anyone who sells a round one >> anymore. All of them are square or rectangular. >> >> I am assuming that other Cal boat owners have had to grapple with this >> problem of the round hole and the square instruments. What have some of you >> done to replace your depth sounder? >> >> Thanks for any advice (or plain old commiseration) you can offer. >> >> Terry Spencer >> Cal 2-29 >> Capriccio >> Tacoma >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> >

Hi, Les. How are things going? By the by, CAL 25s are doing a race to Rock Hall the last week in September. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Hester Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:50 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Depth sounders: square peg in that old round hole I would highly recommend the depth sounder from Moore. On my previous boat, a 1978 3-29, I dropped the Moore sounder into the same cutout that was occupied by the original Datamarine device and it worked flawlessly for 8 years until I sold the boat. The fit was perfect. Les Hester Formerly 3-29 #1005 Bay Breeze (last I heard derelict in a south Jersey boatyard 8-( Now 1972 Tartan 34C Sable Rock Hall, Md